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September 26, 2006, 1:29 pm PDT

I think what may happen is..

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are out of proportion with reality. I mean......should a married man still expect to have every women on this planet at his beck and call? Or any man for that matter?

 

I mean was I (and every other women) put on this Earth so that EVERY man could have access to me any time they feel the urge to release themselves? Should we (women) be required to post our pictures on the net so that ALL men everywhere can peak if they so choose?

 

I find it funny that every time a man goes finds porn.......there comes this plea of "Well he had to because he wasn't getting his needs met." HIS NEEDS MET? What if his needs are not able to be met or what if his needs are disproportion to reality?

 

What I think is MOST of the time the men who are using porn....they want their cake and everyone else's too. It isn't about needs....but about wants that they feel entitled to. Doesn't matter if their wives are having sex with them every day. Doesn't matter if their wife is a perfect 10. Doesn't matter if she hangs from the ceiling fan and can wrap her legs twice around him. He is going to WANT (not need) more because he feels he is entitled to it. Porn has it's way of doing this. It is called "PORN ADDICTION." and the addict will justify his porn however he can. He will call it 'needs" and will claim his 'needs' are not being met. And place blame on whomever comes along. And honestly I can't believe they are still trying to sell us that notion and that so many are buying into it.

After a while, men believe that women ARE solely put here for their sexual pleasures but since they will pay hefty $$$$ for it, it justifies their behaviors. The only problem is they don't realize that not all women are like that and you can't buy sex.....not even from your wife. Hard concept for many I am sure.

 

I think the reason we (you, I and some others) have a problem (for lack of a better word for it) with sexual abuse is because we see that it has so much potential to cause really big problems for couples. Yes. Alcohol every day can also become an addiction, even that one little glass of wine with dinner....every day? Anything taken out of moderation has potential to destroy everything in its path. Unfortunately, men don't want to fess up and acknowledge that their behaviors are primative and obsolete. Even though women are making as much money as men now, women are the ones in power. Actually, women have been feared and hated by men, which is why they constantly put us up against this wall. They want to keep us down and helpless. But we are not going to let that happen and we some of us are a little more stronger then other women - and men can't stand it.

 

So what they will do is make it seem like we are being ridiculous, out of limits, pushy, non forgiving, non-understanding. People use whatever works and they know women have soft spots with room for a lot of compassion, trying to understand, peace keepers, and they take full advantage of that. But unfortunately for them, they may be able to fool the nearest idiot at the strip joint (which by the way is not such as idiot since they are taking hard earned money from these losers) but because they are getting what they want, they think we are the fools. Eh. Its all too simple really and the one thing I found out from all these years on this board (OMG....years???) feels like it sometimes.....is that the one that is battling to change things is usually the one that is on the right track and its the one that insists on things staying the same that is the fool. I feel really sorry for some of these guys but I still feel sorrier (sp.?) for the gals that have to play the game because they still have faith in coupleness.

 
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September 26, 2006, 1:33 pm PDT

I get it

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NEVER HAS SOME EVER TAKEN RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIE OWN ISSUES. INSTEAD...they say things like "If a women gets' emtional...blah blah blah" and "If a man uses porn his needs....BLAH BLAH BLAH!"

 

Heck I don't EVER remember any post where you have said "wow did I mess up" or "wow could I use help on this one" or "I have not been very good husband with this or that." NOPE...doesn't exist.

 

Instead we have BLAH BLAH BLAH...BLAME HER...BLAME EMOTIONS...BLAME WHOMEVER I CAN WHEN I AM IN HOT WATER..."

 

 

Quite honestly allinall if you think you help anyone here with your "DUCK FOR COVER" or "HIS NEEDS AREN"T BEING MET" you are kidding yourself.

 

there is NO WOMEN who has come here upset about porn....that hasn't already looked to herself a million times. BUt if it makes you feel better....why not let her put blame on herself again.

 

What I don't understand is if you have all these issues with women (or those in your life) why not take it up with them? (or is it the women in your life won't listen beause  you say things like "DUCK FOR COVER")

 You always want someone else to be to blame. That's what it's really about now isn't it. You want men to come on here and say they have been bad husbands. That women don't have any other issues in their lives other than their men. That they haven't been enough for their wives...is what you're looking for. Well not every situation is like your's. I've been around this marriage block a few more years than you have. I've been blamed by professionals and paid many thousands for it. I've been blamed for not being able to correct her problems for her. That if only I would become less of a man, what they called more of a man, and correct her problems for her, everything would have been better. If I would become more co-dependant on her issues she would feel a lot better about us. I've paid hundreds on self-help books. I'd been there done that long before you were even consious of what marriage even really meant.

Here' another news flash for ya. We're getting along a lot better now than we ever had. Sorry to hear that aren't ya. And no, I won't tell you why because that would just give you another excuse for antagonism.
 
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September 26, 2006, 1:58 pm PDT

Sorry Kimi

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After a while, men believe that women ARE solely put here for their sexual pleasures but since they will pay hefty $$$$ for it, it justifies their behaviors. The only problem is they don't realize that not all women are like that and you can't buy sex.....not even from your wife. Hard concept for many I am sure.

 

I think the reason we (you, I and some others) have a problem (for lack of a better word for it) with sexual abuse is because we see that it has so much potential to cause really big problems for couples. Yes. Alcohol every day can also become an addiction, even that one little glass of wine with dinner....every day? Anything taken out of moderation has potential to destroy everything in its path. Unfortunately, men don't want to fess up and acknowledge that their behaviors are primative and obsolete. Even though women are making as much money as men now, women are the ones in power. Actually, women have been feared and hated by men, which is why they constantly put us up against this wall. They want to keep us down and helpless. But we are not going to let that happen and we some of us are a little more stronger then other women - and men can't stand it.

 

So what they will do is make it seem like we are being ridiculous, out of limits, pushy, non forgiving, non-understanding. People use whatever works and they know women have soft spots with room for a lot of compassion, trying to understand, peace keepers, and they take full advantage of that. But unfortunately for them, they may be able to fool the nearest idiot at the strip joint (which by the way is not such as idiot since they are taking hard earned money from these losers) but because they are getting what they want, they think we are the fools. Eh. Its all too simple really and the one thing I found out from all these years on this board (OMG....years???) feels like it sometimes.....is that the one that is battling to change things is usually the one that is on the right track and its the one that insists on things staying the same that is the fool. I feel really sorry for some of these guys but I still feel sorrier (sp.?) for the gals that have to play the game because they still have faith in coupleness.

 You couldn't be any more wrong about this. "After a while, men believe that women ARE solely put here for their sexual pleasures but since they will pay hefty $$$$ for it, it justifies their behaviors. The only problem is they don't realize that not all women are like that and you can't buy sex.....not even from your wife. Hard concept for many I am sure."

Do we (men) expect a sex life will be part of our married life? Yes, and we are usually very surprised to discover how wrong we were about that. We find out that the sex life is restricted to giving her children. That somehow wanting sex is for any other reason is treating her like a sex object.

If someone lives their life believing that they are a sex object, they will view even the most loving intention as just that. Remember what Dr. Phil says about this?..."what you fear, you create".
 
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September 26, 2006, 3:16 pm PDT

21 years this december

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 You always want someone else to be to blame. That's what it's really about now isn't it. You want men to come on here and say they have been bad husbands. That women don't have any other issues in their lives other than their men. That they haven't been enough for their wives...is what you're looking for. Well not every situation is like your's. I've been around this marriage block a few more years than you have. I've been blamed by professionals and paid many thousands for it. I've been blamed for not being able to correct her problems for her. That if only I would become less of a man, what they called more of a man, and correct her problems for her, everything would have been better. If I would become more co-dependant on her issues she would feel a lot better about us. I've paid hundreds on self-help books. I'd been there done that long before you were even consious of what marriage even really meant.

Here' another news flash for ya. We're getting along a lot better now than we ever had. Sorry to hear that aren't ya. And no, I won't tell you why because that would just give you another excuse for antagonism.

so I am not newlywed.

 

My parents have been married longer then me too. That sure doesn't make them good at it. My aunt was married for 28 years before they divorced. They were unhappy for about 27 1/2 years of it.

 

And my husband and i have not gone years of not getting along. Actually....there has been very little that we have fought about over the years. Yes there is the porn addiciton issue...but show me one marriage that doesn't have an issue.

 

And i would guess that since you aren't willing to 1. say whether or not your wife knows you come here and 2. share why the two of you are getting along better.....from that we can conclude plenty.

 

I never said I want someone else to blame. What I said is that I won't (nor should anyone else) take blame for something that is not theirs to own. I have plenty that I have neglected to be good at. And I will rightly step up and take responsibility for those things. But I won't take blame for not having sex a zillion times a day. I won't take blame for not having bigger breasts or longer legs. I won't take blame for not looking like a hooker or like the neighbor. I won't take blame for his addiction. And I won't start having you or anyone else blame me for it. Taking blame for something that is not your own issue is not going to change the issue but contribute to it.

 

And I won't blame men because they are men. NOr will I blame women because they are women.

 

And finally....If you have paid thousands and sought help and didn't find answers.....does that mean you stop paying thousands and stop seeking help and start using porn? Does that mean you dump and run but still expect the marriage to live happily ever after? If you want the marriage.....then by God you work at it...until death due you part. (and that does not include porn!) I can promise however that if you have this 1. blame her for my porn addiction and 2. duck when she gets emotional............not many women are going to be happy with you.

 

 

 
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September 26, 2006, 3:25 pm PDT

kimi hey

i have been busy here. Watching my nieces and of course shooting their pictures. I bought some new lights for a studio however sometimes I am able to get some pretty good stuff with natural light and a bit of digital work on photoshop. It helps they are too darn cute.

 

so how was your couple days away? Sounds to me you really enjoyed time for yourself. Maybe you need to take time for yourself for awhile and see how you feel about your marriage when you are free from it's troubles. Have you ever thought about taking a break from your marriage for a couple months and see where it gets you?

 

anyways...here's a picture from yesterday.

 
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September 26, 2006, 3:30 pm PDT

i don't think all men

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After a while, men believe that women ARE solely put here for their sexual pleasures but since they will pay hefty $$$$ for it, it justifies their behaviors. The only problem is they don't realize that not all women are like that and you can't buy sex.....not even from your wife. Hard concept for many I am sure.

 

I think the reason we (you, I and some others) have a problem (for lack of a better word for it) with sexual abuse is because we see that it has so much potential to cause really big problems for couples. Yes. Alcohol every day can also become an addiction, even that one little glass of wine with dinner....every day? Anything taken out of moderation has potential to destroy everything in its path. Unfortunately, men don't want to fess up and acknowledge that their behaviors are primative and obsolete. Even though women are making as much money as men now, women are the ones in power. Actually, women have been feared and hated by men, which is why they constantly put us up against this wall. They want to keep us down and helpless. But we are not going to let that happen and we some of us are a little more stronger then other women - and men can't stand it.

 

So what they will do is make it seem like we are being ridiculous, out of limits, pushy, non forgiving, non-understanding. People use whatever works and they know women have soft spots with room for a lot of compassion, trying to understand, peace keepers, and they take full advantage of that. But unfortunately for them, they may be able to fool the nearest idiot at the strip joint (which by the way is not such as idiot since they are taking hard earned money from these losers) but because they are getting what they want, they think we are the fools. Eh. Its all too simple really and the one thing I found out from all these years on this board (OMG....years???) feels like it sometimes.....is that the one that is battling to change things is usually the one that is on the right track and its the one that insists on things staying the same that is the fool. I feel really sorry for some of these guys but I still feel sorrier (sp.?) for the gals that have to play the game because they still have faith in coupleness.

believe that women are solely put here for their sexual pleasures. At least I hope that isn't what they believe. I hope they have a little bit more love and compassion for us because we have other things to offer. If this were true of every man.....I would hate that I have a son. I would not be married ....nor would i have any relaitonships with men. I think often we get what we allow in our lives. If you allow oneself to be the person who only meets his sexual pleasures........then that is what you get.

 

I demand more from my relationship. I demand more from myself. Yes demand. and if my demands are not going to be met....then it is time to move on.

 

Or....forgot to tell you in my other post. I have another interview set up for next week. Fingers crossed (although this job sounds like a boat load of responsibility........that scares me). But I am going to it with at hope that at least I can get them to offer me the job and then we will decide. It pays really really really well. (which makes my husband smile!! That could mean he may have the opportunity to find something that works regular hours).

 
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September 26, 2006, 4:15 pm PDT

That's the problem

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so I am not newlywed.

 

My parents have been married longer then me too. That sure doesn't make them good at it. My aunt was married for 28 years before they divorced. They were unhappy for about 27 1/2 years of it.

 

And my husband and i have not gone years of not getting along. Actually....there has been very little that we have fought about over the years. Yes there is the porn addiciton issue...but show me one marriage that doesn't have an issue.

 

And i would guess that since you aren't willing to 1. say whether or not your wife knows you come here and 2. share why the two of you are getting along better.....from that we can conclude plenty.

 

I never said I want someone else to blame. What I said is that I won't (nor should anyone else) take blame for something that is not theirs to own. I have plenty that I have neglected to be good at. And I will rightly step up and take responsibility for those things. But I won't take blame for not having sex a zillion times a day. I won't take blame for not having bigger breasts or longer legs. I won't take blame for not looking like a hooker or like the neighbor. I won't take blame for his addiction. And I won't start having you or anyone else blame me for it. Taking blame for something that is not your own issue is not going to change the issue but contribute to it.

 

And I won't blame men because they are men. NOr will I blame women because they are women.

 

And finally....If you have paid thousands and sought help and didn't find answers.....does that mean you stop paying thousands and stop seeking help and start using porn? Does that mean you dump and run but still expect the marriage to live happily ever after? If you want the marriage.....then by God you work at it...until death due you part. (and that does not include porn!) I can promise however that if you have this 1. blame her for my porn addiction and 2. duck when she gets emotional............not many women are going to be happy with you.

 

 

 I don't have time to get into it all right now, but, you assume a lot. You make conjectures on only information you want to use. You like making accusations because you will not try to comprehend what you don't want to understand.
 
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September 26, 2006, 4:30 pm PDT

the way i see it

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 I don't have time to get into it all right now, but, you assume a lot. You make conjectures on only information you want to use. You like making accusations because you will not try to comprehend what you don't want to understand.

when you are vague and criptic (spelling)...people are going to make assumptions.

 

And believe me...I understand and comprehend completely (with the information you have provided) and if you are going to be vague and criptic.......we can only comprehend what is there to see.

 

It is like asking someone to review a movie that they were not priveldged to see completely So they pretty much are forced to make some assumptions. It isn't about them not comprehending what they have been privledged to see. It is about them not being able to comprehend the parts that are missing. I am good at lots of things. But puting together a puzzle that has lots of missing pieces is impossible.

 

Again....until you are less vague and criptic...I will continue to assume. I make conjectures on the information I am provided. It is you who avoids seeing so much. I mean.....doesn't matter how often some one ask you something...you will avoid and make post like this long before you will answer the question. I personally have gotten use to it. Still aggraviating as hell.

 

And you probably don't have time to get into it all right now because the wife is home and you can't be seen posting here. (ooppps....another assumption...but then what choice do you leave us with! )

 
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September 26, 2006, 4:42 pm PDT

How Porn Has Affected Our Relationship

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i have been busy here. Watching my nieces and of course shooting their pictures. I bought some new lights for a studio however sometimes I am able to get some pretty good stuff with natural light and a bit of digital work on photoshop. It helps they are too darn cute.

 

so how was your couple days away? Sounds to me you really enjoyed time for yourself. Maybe you need to take time for yourself for awhile and see how you feel about your marriage when you are free from it's troubles. Have you ever thought about taking a break from your marriage for a couple months and see where it gets you?

 

anyways...here's a picture from yesterday.

did some cropping and some color changes (again). although now i miss her little hair hanging down. however cloning the toy out of the picture got to be a little difficult.
 
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September 26, 2006, 5:39 pm PDT

need advice

I just found out that my husband has been going to a site online where you can search for people in your local area to have sex with.  He has in the past had a problem with porn... not on a daily basis but behind my back... knowing I would be very upset.  Every single time he starts with this I catch him and he says he won't do it again, I think this is the third time, with years going in between with no problems.  With out taking up a ton of room explaining the details of the situation I am fed up.  He says he wouldn't ever meet anyone... but I feel that going to this site and signing up and actually doing searches could very easily lead to more.

It just seems like his resolve only lasts for so long.  We have a healthy sex life (we do have a 4 month old baby and a two year old... but I make sure to make time for him at least once a week... and we talk about it and he says he is happy) anyway I just happened across this stuff when he was away at a work for a 2 day overnight... I know talk about bad timing... here I am thinking he could be meeting someone right under my nose! 

I know my husband is a good man but what the heck do I do to make it clear I won't stand for this behavior?  I am tired of having this un trusting atmosphere in our relationship.  Do I need to tell him to leave if he does it again?  The problem with this is I am a Christian and don't really believe in divorce unless there is some sort of serious abuse going on.  My husband is very loving and a great father.  He is currently working two jobs so that I can stay home with our kids.  He is a great provider.  He is just a big child sometimes.

I am thinking I am going to tell him if he does this again I will kick him out (I was going to say I would leave... but why should I leave and displace my two kids... let him worry about where to go)- but do you think he/we also needs to see a therapist?  Do I request he sees someone for this?  I think he is going to protest a bit becasue as far as I can tell he has only been part of the website for a little over a month.

 

What is my part in this?  I have asked myself... and I do have issues that need to be addressed also so I am wondering if we should go together?

 

Any advise would be great. 

 

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