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September 26, 2006, 7:13 pm PDT

How Porn Has Affected Our Relationship

I'm not sure what kind of advice I can offer, because your story sounds almost exactly like my own. My husband and I have a 6 month old baby girl, and my family and friends are always commenting on how attentive he is to her...what a great daddy he is, but it is getting to the point where it is hard for me to look at these good qualities of his because I feel so hurt by all that he's trying to hide from me.

I'm not proud of it, but I check his computer now and then because he makes such a big deal of hiding whatever he's doing. I can walk into the room and he will look so incredibly guilty. He'll try to steer my gaze away from the computer or he'll flick it off... I almost wonder if it is the insult to my intelligence that is my bigger issue. I mean, how stupid does he think I am? Anyway, he frequents chat rooms, and he downloads porn. The last count, he had over 1,500 porn files. Now, I'm fairly open about such things. That is, I understand (though don't really condone) that it is a fairly natural thing for men, being all visual, to want to watch a spicy video, but that is just excessive. Besides, it should be a tool, not a replacement.

We, unfortunately, do not have a great sex life. When he makes love to me the once (twice if there's some special anniversery) a month, it's like it is just something he feels obligated to do. I can't help but think that he's wishing I were one of those women he looks at or chats with.
I'm 22, (He's 36) and I already feel like an old hag.

I'm horrible with confrontation, but on the few times that I have caught him 'in the act' and commented on it, he starts to raging. Example: "Do you want me to just break my computer?! To never look at it again?!" Then, he calms down and starts apologizing, saying that if it hurts me so much, he'll not do it again... yet here we are, going in circles. I know it's stupid, but I keep feeling as if I had to have done something wrong. I practice conversations a million times over in my head, but freeze up whenever there is a good moment.

So, I'm not really sure what to tell you, since I don't feel like I'm
handling the situation very well myself, but maybe you'll find a teensy bit of comfort in knowing that you aren't alone.

I wish I could be more help!


 
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September 27, 2006, 4:00 am PDT

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I just found out that my husband has been going to a site online where you can search for people in your local area to have sex with.  He has in the past had a problem with porn... not on a daily basis but behind my back... knowing I would be very upset.  Every single time he starts with this I catch him and he says he won't do it again, I think this is the third time, with years going in between with no problems.  With out taking up a ton of room explaining the details of the situation I am fed up.  He says he wouldn't ever meet anyone... but I feel that going to this site and signing up and actually doing searches could very easily lead to more.

It just seems like his resolve only lasts for so long.  We have a healthy sex life (we do have a 4 month old baby and a two year old... but I make sure to make time for him at least once a week... and we talk about it and he says he is happy) anyway I just happened across this stuff when he was away at a work for a 2 day overnight... I know talk about bad timing... here I am thinking he could be meeting someone right under my nose! 

I know my husband is a good man but what the heck do I do to make it clear I won't stand for this behavior?  I am tired of having this un trusting atmosphere in our relationship.  Do I need to tell him to leave if he does it again?  The problem with this is I am a Christian and don't really believe in divorce unless there is some sort of serious abuse going on.  My husband is very loving and a great father.  He is currently working two jobs so that I can stay home with our kids.  He is a great provider.  He is just a big child sometimes.

I am thinking I am going to tell him if he does this again I will kick him out (I was going to say I would leave... but why should I leave and displace my two kids... let him worry about where to go)- but do you think he/we also needs to see a therapist?  Do I request he sees someone for this?  I think he is going to protest a bit becasue as far as I can tell he has only been part of the website for a little over a month.

 

What is my part in this?  I have asked myself... and I do have issues that need to be addressed also so I am wondering if we should go together?

 

Any advise would be great. 

would be a good start. He sounds like a man who loves his family because he works so hard for you. Maybe go see a marriage counselor together and from there a counselor will be able to help you find if further therapy is needed for him (or you).

 

If you make the ultimatum that he leaves if you find it again....don't make empty ultimatums you have no intention on following through with. This will actually enable the problem more then help.

 

hope this helps and come here as often as you need.

 
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September 27, 2006, 4:05 am PDT

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I'm not sure what kind of advice I can offer, because your story sounds almost exactly like my own. My husband and I have a 6 month old baby girl, and my family and friends are always commenting on how attentive he is to her...what a great daddy he is, but it is getting to the point where it is hard for me to look at these good qualities of his because I feel so hurt by all that he's trying to hide from me.

I'm not proud of it, but I check his computer now and then because he makes such a big deal of hiding whatever he's doing. I can walk into the room and he will look so incredibly guilty. He'll try to steer my gaze away from the computer or he'll flick it off... I almost wonder if it is the insult to my intelligence that is my bigger issue. I mean, how stupid does he think I am? Anyway, he frequents chat rooms, and he downloads porn. The last count, he had over 1,500 porn files. Now, I'm fairly open about such things. That is, I understand (though don't really condone) that it is a fairly natural thing for men, being all visual, to want to watch a spicy video, but that is just excessive. Besides, it should be a tool, not a replacement.

We, unfortunately, do not have a great sex life. When he makes love to me the once (twice if there's some special anniversery) a month, it's like it is just something he feels obligated to do. I can't help but think that he's wishing I were one of those women he looks at or chats with.
I'm 22, (He's 36) and I already feel like an old hag.

I'm horrible with confrontation, but on the few times that I have caught him 'in the act' and commented on it, he starts to raging. Example: "Do you want me to just break my computer?! To never look at it again?!" Then, he calms down and starts apologizing, saying that if it hurts me so much, he'll not do it again... yet here we are, going in circles. I know it's stupid, but I keep feeling as if I had to have done something wrong. I practice conversations a million times over in my head, but freeze up whenever there is a good moment.

So, I'm not really sure what to tell you, since I don't feel like I'm
handling the situation very well myself, but maybe you'll find a teensy bit of comfort in knowing that you aren't alone.

I wish I could be more help!


are usually the same here.

 

Often those that are using porn....their sex lives do become less because what it takes now for the man to become excited. they also begin to have intinmacy issues.

 

Over and over we hear about the 'great guys' so many are married to. What that tells me is that porn can even take a 'great guy' and create an unstable environment for them.

 

Again find someone to help you marriage...a therapist/ counselor. Also if porn has become an issue of great magnitude......look into porn (sexual) addiction. So many who go in these circles are dealing with addiction.

 

Welcome and please visit again!

 
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September 27, 2006, 6:02 am PDT

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when you are vague and criptic (spelling)...people are going to make assumptions.

 

And believe me...I understand and comprehend completely (with the information you have provided) and if you are going to be vague and criptic.......we can only comprehend what is there to see.

 

It is like asking someone to review a movie that they were not priveldged to see completely So they pretty much are forced to make some assumptions. It isn't about them not comprehending what they have been privledged to see. It is about them not being able to comprehend the parts that are missing. I am good at lots of things. But puting together a puzzle that has lots of missing pieces is impossible.

 

Again....until you are less vague and criptic...I will continue to assume. I make conjectures on the information I am provided. It is you who avoids seeing so much. I mean.....doesn't matter how often some one ask you something...you will avoid and make post like this long before you will answer the question. I personally have gotten use to it. Still aggraviating as hell.

 

And you probably don't have time to get into it all right now because the wife is home and you can't be seen posting here. (ooppps....another assumption...but then what choice do you leave us with! )

 People are going to make assumptions. Where though does that give you, or anyone else, the right to make accusations from those self defined assumptions? There is none. An appropriate attitude would be that no one has the right to know everything about everyone else. And what what is not known and assumptions are made from does not not give others leave to make accusations.

We've been married 35 1/2 years. As you were married at 18, that would have you being a child when we got married.

Does your father and/or your mother know what you have said about them on an open forum for all the world tro read? It makes no difference to me that they do or not. So what difference should it make to you if my wife knows about my being here or not. You do not have the right to know everything about every one you want to. There is absolutely nothing that says I have to answer every question you or anyone else has that I do not want to answer. And, as I've said before, it's largely because of your attitude about that that I don't answer what I don't want to, or the way you want answered what I do.

You do not have the unequivocal right to know everything about me or anyone else you believe you do.
 
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September 27, 2006, 6:35 am PDT

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I just found out that my husband has been going to a site online where you can search for people in your local area to have sex with.  He has in the past had a problem with porn... not on a daily basis but behind my back... knowing I would be very upset.  Every single time he starts with this I catch him and he says he won't do it again, I think this is the third time, with years going in between with no problems.  With out taking up a ton of room explaining the details of the situation I am fed up.  He says he wouldn't ever meet anyone... but I feel that going to this site and signing up and actually doing searches could very easily lead to more.

It just seems like his resolve only lasts for so long.  We have a healthy sex life (we do have a 4 month old baby and a two year old... but I make sure to make time for him at least once a week... and we talk about it and he says he is happy) anyway I just happened across this stuff when he was away at a work for a 2 day overnight... I know talk about bad timing... here I am thinking he could be meeting someone right under my nose! 

I know my husband is a good man but what the heck do I do to make it clear I won't stand for this behavior?  I am tired of having this un trusting atmosphere in our relationship.  Do I need to tell him to leave if he does it again?  The problem with this is I am a Christian and don't really believe in divorce unless there is some sort of serious abuse going on.  My husband is very loving and a great father.  He is currently working two jobs so that I can stay home with our kids.  He is a great provider.  He is just a big child sometimes.

I am thinking I am going to tell him if he does this again I will kick him out (I was going to say I would leave... but why should I leave and displace my two kids... let him worry about where to go)- but do you think he/we also needs to see a therapist?  Do I request he sees someone for this?  I think he is going to protest a bit becasue as far as I can tell he has only been part of the website for a little over a month.

 

What is my part in this?  I have asked myself... and I do have issues that need to be addressed also so I am wondering if we should go together?

 

Any advise would be great. 

Do you dispprove of the online stuff or him not telling you about it?  Make sure you understand what it is that bothers you and explain it to him that way.  It is one thing to be looking at stuff, but it is another to be hiding it.  If you have approved of him looking at it before, then he is probably going to be confused when you throw out the "porn" card.  But if you throw out the "hiding things" card, that is a trust issue.  I do not have enough information to tell if you approve of him being on line looking at stuff.  If you do approve, ask him if you can do it together.  Maybe that is a thing you could share together for fun.  He may just want to look around, but thnks you will disapprove, but maybe just you not knowing, is the only thing you do disapprove of?  If he is really not sneaking around and it is something fun for both of you, then that is how it will be.  If he is sneaking around, then it is not about the website, it is about trust.  I agree with the other person, only make an ultimatum that you are going to follow though with.  I think that they should be a last resort though.  You should offer friendship and understanding first. 
 
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September 27, 2006, 7:14 am PDT

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I just found out that my husband has been going to a site online where you can search for people in your local area to have sex with.  He has in the past had a problem with porn... not on a daily basis but behind my back... knowing I would be very upset.  Every single time he starts with this I catch him and he says he won't do it again, I think this is the third time, with years going in between with no problems.  With out taking up a ton of room explaining the details of the situation I am fed up.  He says he wouldn't ever meet anyone... but I feel that going to this site and signing up and actually doing searches could very easily lead to more.

It just seems like his resolve only lasts for so long.  We have a healthy sex life (we do have a 4 month old baby and a two year old... but I make sure to make time for him at least once a week... and we talk about it and he says he is happy) anyway I just happened across this stuff when he was away at a work for a 2 day overnight... I know talk about bad timing... here I am thinking he could be meeting someone right under my nose! 

I know my husband is a good man but what the heck do I do to make it clear I won't stand for this behavior?  I am tired of having this un trusting atmosphere in our relationship.  Do I need to tell him to leave if he does it again?  The problem with this is I am a Christian and don't really believe in divorce unless there is some sort of serious abuse going on.  My husband is very loving and a great father.  He is currently working two jobs so that I can stay home with our kids.  He is a great provider.  He is just a big child sometimes.

I am thinking I am going to tell him if he does this again I will kick him out (I was going to say I would leave... but why should I leave and displace my two kids... let him worry about where to go)- but do you think he/we also needs to see a therapist?  Do I request he sees someone for this?  I think he is going to protest a bit becasue as far as I can tell he has only been part of the website for a little over a month.

 

What is my part in this?  I have asked myself... and I do have issues that need to be addressed also so I am wondering if we should go together?

 

Any advise would be great. 

 "I have asked myself... and I do have issues that need to be addressed also so I am wondering if we should go together?" You should see a good therapist together to find out if your issues may be affecting him.

You state some real conflicts about your husband and how you feel about him. Is his not being perfect what may be affecting you?

I agree with Westmoneypit "You should offer friendship and understanding first." I think there is nothing worse than accusing the other of being the only one having issues, especially when one has acknowledged they too have issues.

 
 
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September 27, 2006, 7:21 am PDT

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Do you dispprove of the online stuff or him not telling you about it?  Make sure you understand what it is that bothers you and explain it to him that way.  It is one thing to be looking at stuff, but it is another to be hiding it.  If you have approved of him looking at it before, then he is probably going to be confused when you throw out the "porn" card.  But if you throw out the "hiding things" card, that is a trust issue.  I do not have enough information to tell if you approve of him being on line looking at stuff.  If you do approve, ask him if you can do it together.  Maybe that is a thing you could share together for fun.  He may just want to look around, but thnks you will disapprove, but maybe just you not knowing, is the only thing you do disapprove of?  If he is really not sneaking around and it is something fun for both of you, then that is how it will be.  If he is sneaking around, then it is not about the website, it is about trust.  I agree with the other person, only make an ultimatum that you are going to follow though with.  I think that they should be a last resort though.  You should offer friendship and understanding first. 

The thing is this was not just porn... which I do not approve of regardless... this was a site where you search for other people in your area to have sex with... we are not talking looking at dirty pictures... but talking to actual people who live within a 45 mile radius of my home! 

In the past we did look at porn together... this was 6-7 years ago and since we decided it was not good for our relationship and said we would not look at that kind of thing anymore.  This was a mutual agreement not me making him stop etc etc.

In the past I have cought him sneaking porn 2 x's... which would lead to a huge discussion about what was appropriate for our marriage... he would always feel terrible and say he wouldn't do it again... years go by inbetween these episodes.  This time he has stepped it up a notch by going to this website - its like a personals for people looking for sex and one night stands.  He did a search for the town we live in and the one he works in.  He says he would never meet anyone... but why would you do the search unless you were curious.  Our religion teaches that even thinking about having sex with someone other than your spouse is the same as doing it.  I just feel like eventually the search would lead to actually meeting someone.

The main thing is the trust.  I am dependant on him.  I am a stay at home mom of two little children.  I depend on him financially, emotionally... in everyway.  Not in unhealthy ways... I am just talking normal husband wife relationship type things.  I can't imagine not having him around... and his actions make me feel unsafe.  It would be different if it was something we both talked about... but this was behind my back.  I don't need a spouse who sleeps with or wants to sleep with or has fantasies about sleeping with other women.  When I think about it I want to throw up. 

 

The thing is he comes home tonight and I don't know what to tell him or what type of agreement we should make.  The last time this happened he went in and talked to our pastor about it... but once enough time goes by he just forgets I guess.  I want to be serious... I need to make it more clear than I have in the past obviously.  Dr Phil always says that the best predictor of future events is past events and unless I shake things up I am afraid this will be a never ending cycle.  The last time this happened I never told him... "if you do this again - I will ______"  so I can't just kick him out now right?  I also don't know if he or we need professional help.  I know he won't want to go... but maybe that will make it more clear that I am serious?

 

Thanks everyone for your help

Mel

 
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September 27, 2006, 7:26 am PDT

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 "I have asked myself... and I do have issues that need to be addressed also so I am wondering if we should go together?" You should see a good therapist together to find out if your issues may be affecting him.

You state some real conflicts about your husband and how you feel about him. Is his not being perfect what may be affecting you?

I agree with Westmoneypit "You should offer friendship and understanding first." I think there is nothing worse than accusing the other of being the only one having issues, especially when one has acknowledged they too have issues.

 

believe me I know he is not perfect... and neither am I.  The thing is I did offer friendship and understanding the last two times this happened... its not working for me.  I think I have got to be more drastic this time if I am to shake him up enough to get him to realize I am not going to take this kind of crap.

 

I guess maybe both of us shoud see someone.

 
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September 27, 2006, 7:54 am PDT

Precious, precious, precious. :)

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i have been busy here. Watching my nieces and of course shooting their pictures. I bought some new lights for a studio however sometimes I am able to get some pretty good stuff with natural light and a bit of digital work on photoshop. It helps they are too darn cute.

 

so how was your couple days away? Sounds to me you really enjoyed time for yourself. Maybe you need to take time for yourself for awhile and see how you feel about your marriage when you are free from it's troubles. Have you ever thought about taking a break from your marriage for a couple months and see where it gets you?

 

anyways...here's a picture from yesterday.

Hi Darce! It does help when the model is so so so so beautiful!

 

I had a really nice time. It was relaxing and I did some hiking near these awsome falls. There were bridges crossing over them and tight walking paths along side. Very impressive. I was alone but met a few hikers and even though the weather was 32 degrees(there was actually snow on the mountain) the sun was out and life was good.

 

I have been a real stickler within my marriage. Bucking anything that I knew would bring him happiness. From spending time with his daughter, family and friends to cooking, cleaning and having sex. Everything I knew would make him happy, I all because I was not dealing correctly with the porn and phone sex excursions. I always knew I had some insecurities, but this really brought them to the forefront. If anything, I have learned confidence in myself as a woman, a person and a friend. I don't think I will ever be intimidated by a man's misuse of sex. Unfortunately, I have had to face my demons and  my own sexuality very closely. I have also had to face the ugly truth that men will abuse and take advantage of a good thing....meaning a good woman.

 

I don't think I will ever understand the mindset behind men and their blatent abilty to lust, desire and sexually pursue other women, and yet expect the woman to sit back and take the psychologically damaging affect of this neglect - but then again, since I was born a woman, I don't think it was meant that I understand the male brain - my focus is on humaness, male and female, and respect for one another. At the expense of not getting the respect I felt I deserved, I have fallen into the throes of male chauvenistic behaviour and I think it was specifically made available for me, (I consider these things gifts, even though they are painful at times.).

 

I have really learned that I am ok if I don't decide to commit to one person and if I do commit, it should be because of love and respect for one another......not expectations.  My new understanding is that no one can knock you down unless you keep putting yourself in their way and if you keep getting knocked down, obviously the lesson of moving where you are standing or finding some support to hold you up, has not been learned.

 

I never thought I would feel bad knowing the my husband looks at porn. I actually feel compassion for him now that he is living in such a fantasy life and has no clue how to have a good, healthy, fun loving sexual relationship with me. I am no longer angry that he pays $$$$ every day to look at porn, but I am proud of myself for being able to put up that wall (called boundaries) and not sleep with him or have sex. I will not committ myself to a man that is committed to sexual exploitation of women and cannot see beyond a womans sexual anatomy and beauty.

 

I need a man of substance. This is something I have discovered. With substance, there is something to work with. Without it, its abusive. Yep. I learned a lot and yep, I will remain married to him only because he is not kicking me out and because the moment of my departure I don't think is anywhere in sight. The lesson is still to remain and try to work it out for some reason. Yippeee........can't wait for the next lesson. Peace and love. Kim

 
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September 27, 2006, 8:03 am PDT

accusations.

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 People are going to make assumptions. Where though does that give you, or anyone else, the right to make accusations from those self defined assumptions? There is none. An appropriate attitude would be that no one has the right to know everything about everyone else. And what what is not known and assumptions are made from does not not give others leave to make accusations.

We've been married 35 1/2 years. As you were married at 18, that would have you being a child when we got married.

Does your father and/or your mother know what you have said about them on an open forum for all the world tro read? It makes no difference to me that they do or not. So what difference should it make to you if my wife knows about my being here or not. You do not have the right to know everything about every one you want to. There is absolutely nothing that says I have to answer every question you or anyone else has that I do not want to answer. And, as I've said before, it's largely because of your attitude about that that I don't answer what I don't want to, or the way you want answered what I do.

You do not have the unequivocal right to know everything about me or anyone else you believe you do.

 

 

you have made plenty of accusations. Many times saying much about my husband and his relationship with me. THe other day I was thinking as I was listening to someone get a little too angry when he was questioned about his past. All I could think is "thou protestith a little too much."  Speaks volumes.

 

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