Topic : Pornography

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Created on : Friday, July 01, 2005, 05:18:48 pm
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December 10, 2006, 1:14 pm PST

for every person

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you just said that the fantasies in porn are things that go way above and beyond what is comfy for women. are you talking about anal sex ? becuase if you are, it only hurts the first time its done to you (think about the first time you had sex. it hurt, didnt it ?) then after that it feels good. and if your talking about threesomes, dp or other kinda stuff, well i think most husbands dont want to actually try them things with there wives. i would think most husbands would wanna try boy on girl kinda stuff.

 

 

and if some women think some of their husband's fantasies go way above and beyond what they feel comfy doing (boy on girl stuff ONLY ), then maybe they should TRY IT first, before making judgement calls or decisions on not wanting to try it !!

 

somehow, darcylove (and this ain't a diss, k? plz dont be sensitive about this ) when i read your post that you want "happy and fulfilling" sex, it didnt really sound to me that your the kinda wife that luvs gettin her freak on wicked hot with her guy when he isnt expecting it. it sounded more like you like the standard way of having sex:  him doing foreplay on you-missionary (or possibly on top ) position-he comes-then he cuddles you.  then you said that you meant that "both spouses get something out of it". well umm, jus because he comes, it DOESNT mean he's getting out of it what YOUR getting out of it !!!!  do you understand what i mean???

 

 

 

having "hot and exciting sex" (as you called it lol) should NEVER leave the other with damage... "damage"?? what kinda damage are you referring to?  i dont believe any husband would wanna live out his "hot and exciting" sexual fantasies that would "damage" (?) his wife.  if its damaging to her, then its damaging to HER, not damaging in and of itself. and if its damaging to her and she won't ever ever let her husband live out that fantasy with her, then thats just too bad- for him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

i'm curious tho.......what sex acts that are in porn (boy on girl ONLY!) that you think are or could be "damaging" to a wife?? we've already covered the anal aspect of sex, so you cant use that as an example. and if your talking about fisting, then yea, even i think thats wayyy over the top. but, since most husbands arent interested in that (thats mostly lezbos that do that kinda thing ) anyways, then there's 2 things that are off the list....

 

im curious because if you go on to make a statement like this: "Too many have asked for sexual fantasies that are above and beyond what they feel comfortable doing. and often porn displays fantasies that are unrealistic for someone to feel good about." , then some peoples are gonna want an explanation or gonna want for you to give some examples, yknow ?

 

 

 

 

 

it is different. What I may find uncomfortable may not be what someone else finds uncomfortable. My point being sex has to be enjoyable for both. And that can be done without stepping outside the boundaries for one or the other.


Different positions is usually something that most are willing to give a try. Porn portrays many other things (as you know) that may or may not be okay for some. I know there are things in porn I would never want in my bedroom and there are some things I don't need porn to show me how to do.

 

I honestly believe my husband and I have a pretty healthy and exciting sex life. (don't need to spare everyone here the details) For being married 21 years...I think we do a very good job of making our bedroom pretty exciting. I know I have no complaits...he is a very good lover.

 
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December 10, 2006, 1:21 pm PST

how do you define cheating?

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I know that everyone has there on views on this matter. I know that you cant force a person do something they don't want to do. Some of the talk about well just divorce him.Its not that easy.Aim not saying i dont think about it, I do every day. But it not easy when you have children which i have five.The problem is not our sex life. It good.I do anything that he wants so whats the problem. The funny thing is I asked him why he does it and he tells me he don't know why..now that pisses me off. Because i feel that if you are doing something,you should know why right. He tell me that it not like he is cheating on me. But i feel that he is. Here is a question for all you out there. Is it Cheating or not? Please let me know

cheating is where you do something that betrays the other person's trust. It is where you turn outside the marriage for something you should be getting from inside the marriage.

 

 

 
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December 10, 2006, 1:24 pm PST

where are these

Quote From: itsdakota

here's another one:

 

 

 

for men:    porn = lazy sex 

 

for women: wives laying in bed at night waiting for their husbands to initiate hot wicked sex every single time = lazy sex

 

 

 

see? told ya there was a balance to the sexes  ;)

wives that are waiting for their husbands to initate hot wicked sex?

 

i think you have this view that because someone does not like porn = does not want hot sex with their husbands. I can honestly say.....after having talked to many many women...(even those who see porn as no big deal) that my sex life is hotter then most out there.

 
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December 10, 2006, 2:13 pm PST

so it is cheating

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cheating is where you do something that betrays the other person's trust. It is where you turn outside the marriage for something you should be getting from inside the marriage.

 

 

So it is cheating. because you give your trust to that person not to hurt you and what that person do hurt you isn't the same thing.plus that person is getting something outside of the marriage. so can you call it cheating. what i don't understand is why? If that person is getting everything they ask for in the marriage and the marriage bed than why do they have to look and get off on it. Aim i doing something wrong that wants to make him look and get himself off.
 
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December 10, 2006, 5:54 pm PST

i feel it is cheating

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I know that everyone has there on views on this matter. I know that you cant force a person do something they don't want to do. Some of the talk about well just divorce him.Its not that easy.Aim not saying i dont think about it, I do every day. But it not easy when you have children which i have five.The problem is not our sex life. It good.I do anything that he wants so whats the problem. The funny thing is I asked him why he does it and he tells me he don't know why..now that pisses me off. Because i feel that if you are doing something,you should know why right. He tell me that it not like he is cheating on me. But i feel that he is. Here is a question for all you out there. Is it Cheating or not? Please let me know

I must say i do feel it is cheating.  When i went out of town for a few days and came home to discover my bf had been watching porn on the computer (which i stumbled across accidently) i felt as if he had actually cheated on me.  My heart  was    broken and i was physically sick.  But it made me understand why we didnt have sex the night i came home, he had been having it while i was gone.  Thats what really hurt the most i guess.  I missed him terrably when i was gone, i didnt even have coffee with any old friends.  Then i come home and find out he was getting off to the computer while i was gone, that broke my heart.  I guess what made it hurt more was the fact that he works nights so we dont even have sex as often as i would like.  It just made me feel as if he would rather get off to porn then to have sex with me, and that really hurt.  That happened back in august and im still not over it.  It has made me so ensecure and makes me feel like there is something wrong with me.  I dont understand why he did it, i havent been able to ask him because it seems so personal to me and its embarassing.  The thing is he was sorry and said he was stupid for doing it.  He was afraid he was guna loose me.  He is a very loveing man and would give me the moon if he could, and when we do have sex its not wild kinky sex, its very passionate love making so much so that it makes me cry.  So i know i dont want to be with a man that needs porn in his life, and he doesnt.  It was just that one time thing.  However i do worry about if i ever have to leave again.  But i do trust him also.  So i hope with time my pain will heal and i can get over this.  But meanwhile i am mending a broken heart because i was cheated on in a way.  Well i hope that helps at least a little.  Blindy

 
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December 10, 2006, 7:49 pm PST

Yes it does

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I must say i do feel it is cheating.  When i went out of town for a few days and came home to discover my bf had been watching porn on the computer (which i stumbled across accidently) i felt as if he had actually cheated on me.  My heart  was    broken and i was physically sick.  But it made me understand why we didnt have sex the night i came home, he had been having it while i was gone.  Thats what really hurt the most i guess.  I missed him terrably when i was gone, i didnt even have coffee with any old friends.  Then i come home and find out he was getting off to the computer while i was gone, that broke my heart.  I guess what made it hurt more was the fact that he works nights so we dont even have sex as often as i would like.  It just made me feel as if he would rather get off to porn then to have sex with me, and that really hurt.  That happened back in august and im still not over it.  It has made me so ensecure and makes me feel like there is something wrong with me.  I dont understand why he did it, i havent been able to ask him because it seems so personal to me and its embarassing.  The thing is he was sorry and said he was stupid for doing it.  He was afraid he was guna loose me.  He is a very loveing man and would give me the moon if he could, and when we do have sex its not wild kinky sex, its very passionate love making so much so that it makes me cry.  So i know i dont want to be with a man that needs porn in his life, and he doesnt.  It was just that one time thing.  However i do worry about if i ever have to leave again.  But i do trust him also.  So i hope with time my pain will heal and i can get over this.  But meanwhile i am mending a broken heart because i was cheated on in a way.  Well i hope that helps at least a little.  Blindy

Yes it does a little. I kind of glade that aim not the only person out there that feels that way.Its funny i asked him how he would feel if i was looking at other guys on the computer and he said that it wouldn't hurt is feeling.he told me because he know that aim always here for him.well aim tried of being here all the time for him,and aim tried of what his doing.I really don't want to do what he is doing..I was wondering if i did look at other guys on the computer would it help or make it worse. well i need to think on that .Well Blindy ,aim so glad that your bf stop, as the say time heal everything..
 
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December 10, 2006, 8:18 pm PST

Hawaiiangirl...

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So it is cheating. because you give your trust to that person not to hurt you and what that person do hurt you isn't the same thing.plus that person is getting something outside of the marriage. so can you call it cheating. what i don't understand is why? If that person is getting everything they ask for in the marriage and the marriage bed than why do they have to look and get off on it. Aim i doing something wrong that wants to make him look and get himself off.

Noone can tell you if your SO looking at porn is cheating or not.  We can't decide that for you.  Every couple has to negotiate between themselves what is and is not considered infidelity.  There are some women here who don't care at all if their husbands (bf's) look at porn - as long as they are not neglecting their lady's sexual needs.  There are some women who say mags like Playboy are okay by them, but movies are not.  It is often the case that men disagree about what constitutes cheating - and that is where the negotiation must come in and also the setting of boundaries.  I personally set a boundary before I married my husband of zero porn tolerance.  He agreed to that and understood my reasons for that boundary.  He broke it and it took us a long time to recover after I found out, but we did, but it took alot of work on BOTH our parts to get back to a very good place in our marriage. 

 

Your SO may tell you all men do it - not true.  I know 100% for sure my husband has not looked at porn in well over a year - and HE is happier for the fact he hasn't.  He feels good about himself and the fact he isn't lying to me.  He is a total open book.  I am too.  I want to tell you right now that I made my own mistakes and bad choices in our marriage - and spent a great deal of time and energy addressing and correcting them.  You'll see it said here often, and I have found it to be true, both parties have to be willing to give 100% to save and improve the relationship. 

 

I doubt you are doing anything wrong.  When your husband tells you he doesn't know why he does it - that may be embarassment at admitting his personal truth.  I felt like you - that I was willing to do what he wanted in the bedroom and felt like you seem to - inadequate and inferior to the images he was using.  I came to truly know that my husband simply used porn as a 'starter' for masturbation.  I came to know he didn't masturbate because he preferred that to sex with me - only that once in a while, he would choose that as a quick, no pressure, stress free release.  No pressure means they don't have to worry about also pleasing their lady.  I know it sounds selfish, but once in a while I think that is okay (for me too btw).  For my husband, from the time he was 12, masturbation included porn.  So what we negotiated was that I have no problem at all if he chooses to masturbate, as long as no porn images are part of the process.  We took many pics of me for him to utilize when he chooses that.  I'm not saying that is a solution you can or should choose, but mention it as a compromise that worked out really well for us.

 

I read several pages of posts today and hope I remember your initial post correctly - you are the mom of 5, from 11 to 4 mos?  I have 5 kiddos also, from 15 to 6.  Don't blame your husband's looking at porn on the condition of your body or anything else you are doing.  You have made it clear to him that it is hurtful to you right?  And yet he persists?  So - concrete suggestions to maybe help y'all.  Don't throw your marriage away - you are right to want to fight for it.  I have to admit my initial reaction was to just leave and take our kids away.  I even threatened it - and I am not at all proud of that reaction, it was juvenile and full of resentment.  Find a quiet time to talk to your husband.  Tell him you want to talk about him looking at porn and how much it really hurts you.  Let him know you are not being hysterical or overreacting - you are NOT the only woman who wishes to not have that in her marriage.  Bring up what I said - ask him if he looks because it is a masturbation tool for him, and he is kind of embarrassed about wanting to masturbate sometimes.  Don't be accusatory or angry - that will make him defensive and stop any possible good conversation y'all can have on the topic.  Tell him you want to negotiate about the issue - find a boundary you can both be comfortable with.  Stress the negotiate part.  If porn is an absolute no for you - then ask him what you can do and how you can help him totally let go of it.  If there is some level of porn you are comfortable with, tell him that.  It may even be really good if in the first part of the conversation you tell him you are worried that your marriage is off track and ask him what he thinks you can do to help get it back on track.  That will definitely defuse any defensiveness he may have.  Listen with an open mind and be willling to address any issues he brings up.  From there y'all can both negotiate to get what you want.  I know all this sounds like you need an attorney over your shoulder giving you advice lol -but you really don't.  All you really need is for both of you to be committed to repairing and improving this marriage. 

 

You have my best wishes.  I am sorry I wrote so much.  If one or two sentences strike a chord and help you, then I'll be glad you read it.  Welcome to the board and stay in touch and let us know how you are doing.  Take care, Roxy

 
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December 10, 2006, 8:59 pm PST

How Porn Has Affected Our Relationship

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Yes it does a little. I kind of glade that aim not the only person out there that feels that way.Its funny i asked him how he would feel if i was looking at other guys on the computer and he said that it wouldn't hurt is feeling.he told me because he know that aim always here for him.well aim tried of being here all the time for him,and aim tried of what his doing.I really don't want to do what he is doing..I was wondering if i did look at other guys on the computer would it help or make it worse. well i need to think on that .Well Blindy ,aim so glad that your bf stop, as the say time heal everything..
im glad it helped a little bit.  It makes me feel better when i write that to other people to.  But i dont think that your looking at men on the computer would do anything for you, lol i mean does seeing a penis do anyting for you????? Youve seen one youve seen them all, right .  I think he knows that looking at other men on the computer wont really do anything for you, and thats why it wouldnt bother him.. I mean im fairly certain that he wouldnt catch u with your hand in your pants now would he??? Now i bet going out and havin a cup of coffee with an old bf would bother him a bit, lol.  Blindy
 
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December 11, 2006, 2:59 am PST

Cheating, affair, adultry.

 One must first learn the clear definition of that which is an act of cheating or, an affair or, adultery. I like to focus on the term, affair. And paradoxically, affairs sometimes leads to a rejuvenation of sex within a marriage.  Also, there are many types of affairs, situation specific affairs.  Ex., anger affairs, alcohol use, work-aholics, etc. So what is the wrong behind the affair? That which is stolen, the bond of trust and its attendant consent to mutual vulnerability between spouses.  It is not so much the extramarital sex that is destructive as it is the unprincipled deceitfulness of the behavior. If the extramarital activity is not secretive, does it then introduce deceitfulness, lying, and hypocrisy into the heart of a committed relationship? Biblically, adultery is defined as secretive, decietful, a lye, hyprocrisy in the light of a clandestined sexual act. Affair is the modern day word for adultery.

So is a man wrong to enjoy pornography? How many of you women would be interested in a man that views pornography. Is it a natural curiosity to discover that which is unknown?  How many boys have this interest?  Remembering my mother's question in a counciling session mandated by the state because of parents divorcing, if I was homosexual?  Had no idea what she was talking about. But hey, parents never talked about sex, that is with us kids.  So how does one establish one's interest in sex. Or is it just natural. Are we all to just wonder into a relationship, get married and on our wedding night stare at each other wondering what we are doing?

And once in a relationship, a marriage, what then is expected?  And by what standards do we commit our relationship too?  I would hope that a marriage commitment is between two people.  What does it mean, this commitment? First of all, it is a contract between two people.  How many of us really understand the contract you signed your life to?  I would hope that mature individuals begin a marriage with an understanding of each other's expectations.  Sadly, most marriages don't begin with that understanding.  Sadly, most people were never counselled before marriage.  Must be an American way of life.  Entering into contracts they know nothing about.

Is a married man wrong to enjoy pornography?  When I got married, I nolonger watched football on tv nor did I do the things I did before marriage.  I now was captivated with my wife. We did things together.  We had marriage counselling before marriage.  I probably aborbed more than my wife did about what marriage was about.  But nonetheless, we did things together.  She enjoyed being included in my life. 

Sex was something unknown to the both of us. Counselling didn't touch upon sex.  Go figure.  We were Christians but from different denominations.  I dove into studying further what marriage and sex was all about.  I presented many concepts of sex to my wife.  We explored each other.  And yet there were aspects of sex that her Christian upbringing just could not accept.  It took a long time before she was more accepting of those sexual acts that I will omit from talking about.  We learned from many sources including the Bible, psychology, religion, theology and from pornography. 

But then I ask you.  Was their an affair?  Did I have an affair?  What was wrong with this relationship? Or, more to  the point, "What is wrong with your relationship?

 
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December 11, 2006, 5:14 am PST

i can't say

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So it is cheating. because you give your trust to that person not to hurt you and what that person do hurt you isn't the same thing.plus that person is getting something outside of the marriage. so can you call it cheating. what i don't understand is why? If that person is getting everything they ask for in the marriage and the marriage bed than why do they have to look and get off on it. Aim i doing something wrong that wants to make him look and get himself off.

if you are doing something wrong.....

 

some would say you are.

 

some would day you are not. For myself....it didn't matter what I did or did not do....porn was always a factor until he got help for porn addiction. (sexual addiction)

 

If you have looked at  yourself and what you are or aren't doing and have come up with no answers...I would say you need to stop blaming yourself and start looking for other solutions.

 

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