Topic : Pornography

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Created on : Friday, July 01, 2005, 05:18:48 pm
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July 27, 2005, 2:25 pm PDT

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I'm not sure how to start this kind of a conversation, because he seems to be opposed to those kinds of conversations. When I first found the Granpa's Gone Bi video, and almost falling over... I did confront him when he got home. He actually DENIED buying it, told me I was full of it.. then I went and got it. Showed it to him and asked him if he didn't buy it, then just where the hell did it come from ? It's been a touch on the tense side in the household since then. Not sure how to go about it now.

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Start with a letter. Take plenty of time with it. Say all the things you need to say exactly the way you need to say them. Don't be accusatory. Don't be homophobic. He'll only admit to you what you make him feel comfortable admitting. Take the focus off of what he's done to you and focus instead of what he's doing to himself. You do love him, right? And you want him to be happy? Start with that. If you feel ready to suggest divorce, or some equivalent, do so but make sure he knows that it doesn't mean he loses every part of his relationship with you. He can still be your friend, right? Give him some time to read it and digest it before you initiate a face-to-face conversation. If he reacts with anger and defensiveness, then I think you have to leave him alone with that. You don't deserve to be treated that way. If he reacts with honesty and sincerity, then you should finally get the closure you need to move on this. Hope this helps.
 
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July 27, 2005, 3:37 pm PDT

running away

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I sure as hell am not going through all the archives to find my posts, but you can ask Kimikomine, Lilacmess or Luvmiman, I have told them in post that my wife knows about my using porn.  She isn't exactly jumping for joy about it, but it doesn't crush or destroy her self esteem and the way she feels about herself the way that it has done so to you.  She knows I love her with all of my heart and that I'm not going anywhere!  I also have said in post that I have not, nor will I EVER cheat on my wife.  This will be my last post to you, only because no matter what I say and no matter how much I try to relay to you that I don't look at porn for the same reasons your husband does - you will still continue your rudeness towards me.  So, in closing ma'am, good luck in your marriage and have a nice life.

is always good too! I am sorry if you can't face the truth. The truth is.....you use porn because you can't find it within yourself or your marriage to do the right thing. You can say whatever you want...believe whatever you want....porn is cheating....and I suppose you found your way to this board....because life isn't so hunky doory in the Sandman home. I encourage you to take a real look at the industry of porn. Take a real look at yourself and at porn is not only doing to you but what it is doing to your wife, to your children, and to this society. You won't answer my question about how would you feel if your wife or daughter would do porn.....how would you feel if it was your neighbor getting off on the images of those you love? You won't answer it...because the truth is too painful to say here.

 

I told you and I wouldn't get along!

 
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July 27, 2005, 3:50 pm PDT

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everyone.....to go beyond what is easy....what is simple and to seek some real answers to find peace and harmony within a marriage. I encourage anyone to do what they can ...so that they can  look themseleves in the mirror and be happy with their choices. I encourage anyone to say to the world "I ddidn't take the easy way out....I looked for something that was lasting and good for both of us."  I don't think people who choose porn can say this. I don't think they could leave a message on their answer machine that says "Hey....my wife didn't give me enough sex last night....so I am off beating off right now....leave a message."........ANd why....because it isn't as socially acceptable as so many want us to believe. It isn't so morrally okay as people want us to believe. I would have no problem with leaving a message like "Hey hubby and I are out to see our counselor right now.....leave us a message." Most of my friends and family know my husband and I went to counseling. Most of my friends and family have asked me about it and have patted us on the back for going out and finding some answers. I bet not to many people pat a spouse on the back when he decides to run off the porn shop when he isn't getting the sex he wants. ANd why is that....because most people know that it is a lame way out....it is a not only damaging to a marriage....IT IS WRONG!

 
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July 27, 2005, 8:09 pm PDT

The war continues (again)

Ugh, I just completed my post and when I went to post it "poof" it was gone!!!!  Let me get out now how much I dislike this new system and that I think they need to do something about fixing this!!  <Smooths hair, sits back and goes to try this again>.  You'd think after the two weeks it took them to do this (that we had to suffer and wait for it to come back) that a much better job would have been done.  But anyway.........

Porn is a tough subject and it raises strong views.  I think that this may be a subject that we are going to have to be adult about and have to be mature enough to say that people are going to have to "agree to disagree".  You can put your points out there but when it comes to pretty much jamming ideas down each other's throats...that's a bit too much.

I'm one of the women who doesn't have a problem with porn (as long as it's not kiddie porn!!).  I am not threatened by it an ounce.  I am secure in myself, in my b/f and in our relationship.  In this particular relationship, I am more the one who brings up wanting to get the video or the book.  I do not think porn is wrong in a relationship if both parties are in agreement.  Porn is an occasional addition to our sex life, just as sex toys or sexy outfits are.

Men are visually stimulated, women are emotionally and mentally stimulated.  As I spent the two weeks at work crying over the message boards being gone, we got on this topic.  An interesting point was brought up.  How many women are reading Harlequins or such romance novels?  They tend to have some pretty detailed sex scenes.  Since women are stimulated mentally, does this then constitute cheating in the same way porn does?  Just a thought.......

 

Now as far as having the courage to be not be ashamed of what's going on and be able to leave a message on my answering machine as to what I'm doing.....I don't leave a message on my machine saying "I'm going shopping" or "I'm cooking dinner" anymore then I'm leaving one that says "I'm having incredible sex with 'J' at the moment, so leave a message".  If a friend calls and asks what I was doing, I'll tell her....and depending on the friend, it could even include that we watched a porn.  I'm not ashamed of it but I don't give out details of my sex life to everyone and that's why I wouldn't leave it on my machine.

 

Before our lives were so rudely interrupted on these boards, someone had asked me why I was on the boards as most people come for advice.  I had posted my reply on the same day they took the boards down, so I'll reply again.  I was on the Oprah boards originally for the on-line journal and found the message boards.  I received many "thank you's" for my advice and one person asked me to come over here and post because she thought I could help.  I'm yet to ask for advice - I just try to help out in any way that I can.  I use the same name on the Oprah boards, so you can see my posts over there too.

 
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July 28, 2005, 8:32 am PDT

Husband continues to lie...

I have written off and on for the past 2 years about my husbands porn addiction.  I know he is doing it again.  What I would love is if anyone is good at snooping on computer systems-type me some steps on how to view what he looks at.  Someone please post a little lesson on computer trails that the lay person could do.

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July 28, 2005, 9:52 am PDT

again and again and again

I am flabbergasted! Dr. Phil, you should be ashamed for telling your viewers that viewing porn is "sick, demented and twisted." You are telling millions of people that they are not only abnormal, but also disgusting and basically mentally ill. And you're viewers are eating it up (obviously, based on these forums) like it's the truth! "Number one, pornography is fantasy. It isn't real" -- this is the only true thing I heard you say, Dr. Phil. NORMAL people have fantasies, normal people enjoy watching and reading about fantasies, and normal people sometimes enjoy acting out those fantasies! I know I do, and so does my husband -- we have some we share and some we enjoy on our own. Wow, sometimes we MASTURBATE to those fantasies! We must really, really need help, huh? Oh, and I love this quote, Dr. Phil... "What you're looking at on that screen is somebody's daughter. You're looking at somebody's daughter who has taken a really, really wrong turn." And the woman Chris has in his bed and is having sex with IS SOMEBODY'S DAUGHTER! My Dad doesn't know, or need to know that his little girl likes to have anal sex, get spanked and talk dirty and enjoys porn and erotica. Does this make me a pervert? And as far as porn performers who have "taken a wrong turn," believe me, there are plenty of women out there that enjoy that line of work. "They are demeaning themselves, they are debasing themselves, they are humiliating themselves, and they are being exploited." Give me a break!! You can say that after you've had porn performers on your show all vouching for your claim. You crucify this poor guy, Chris, for being just like any other guy out there. You tell him "It's not healthy, it's not natural, it's not normal." Yes, Dr. Phil, it is. It is normal, it is natural. You are unnatural for trying to twist your viewer’s morals into your own. Obviously Kiza needs to look on your site to find a "good" moral man. She seems like a sweet girl. But no, Chris won't stop looking at porn. And no Chris, you shouldn't!! I've got lots of nice girls who like sex that I'm sure would love to meet him. And as far as your "Sex Addict Test" -- what a crock. No, sex and sexual thoughts do not disrupt my daily life. Yet, if I went on your show and said what I just typed in here...you'd crush me in front of your audience, and you'd probably enjoy it. Oh, I could on and on and on.... My husband and I watch porn together and separately. We both read erotica. We've been together for 6 years, hopelessly in love, have a steamy sex life and are best friends. I bet you'd all like me to receive the help I desperately need to overcome my "addiction" to porn and erotica!
 
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July 28, 2005, 10:33 am PDT

I think I've got it

The Log In gets timed out. I've once again written a lengthy post, while logged in, and it was lost when I was sent back to the Log In.

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July 28, 2005, 10:55 am PDT

I've been there:(

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Hi everyone, I am new to the board and I just wanted to vent a little to someone who would understand, and this looks like the best place.  Glad to have found it.  I have been married to my husband for over ten years, and we have been "together" for over 12.  We are in our mid thirties, and I have known him my whole life, actually, but like someone said earlier, you never really know a person until you live with them.  I think what is really bothering me the most is the deception.  He never actually lied to me about looking at porn, but then again I never had any reason to be suspicious of that.  Like I said, I knew him my whole life - at least I thought I knew him.   I found it on the computer over a year ago - there were these weird pop-ups that were adult content, and I wasn't really sure where they came from.  I asked him, and he said that they could have come from anywhere or from someone else sending him an email and that came with it unintentionally.  I believed him too.  Once I figured out how to look around on the computer I found all kinds of stuff in the history and temporary files.  I was sick - I felt betrayed.  The idea that he was willfully looking at sexual images of other women to pleasure himself crushed me.  I looked at the dates of the temporary internet files and when I checked my calendar I saw that he was doing it whenever I left town on business.  I was away working and he, in my opinion, was cheating in his mind with other women.  I felt so stupid, inadequate, and unattractive - and I was 6 months pregnant with our second child at the time, and I felt like a "house" anyway.  I had wondered all along why he had decided to have a password on our home computer for his profile, but never set one up for me.  When I confronted him, he said "it's not abnormal", and "everyone does it" - I know those are common excuses.  I asked him if I had never found it would he still be looking at it - he said he couldn't say that he wouldn't.  I asked him if it was "what Kelly doesn't know won't hurt her?"  and he said "yes" - but then he added that "it doesn't change the way I feel about you honey".  I think it has changed the way I feel about him - I haven't had the courage to tell him that.  It's been a year - but I'm still suspicious.  I still check our home computer - there is no evidence and he has not been deleting the history to cover-up.  Every time I'm away overnight anywhere I am suspicious of him on the internet looking at porn.  I desperately want to believe that he has stopped.  I do know that he goes to the Howard Stern website and has followed links to the homepages (nothing further) of some of the guests from the show - strippers and porn stars.  He says when he gets to the homepage he doesn't go any further, and that he just wants to see what they look like since Howard says that they're "hot".  I asked him how long he's been looking at porn on the internet.  He didn't answer, so I asked "since we got the internet?" (1997) and his reply was "yeah, probably."  I just feel so conned - or tricked - or like he thinks he's pulled one over on me.    It's that part that hurts the most.  Omission of the truth, for me, is the same as lying to my face - because I had a false belief about the way my marriage was and about my husband.  He has friends who I know talk to him about websites they view and that these same friends have invited him on more than one occasion to go to strip clubs while they are visiting us in our hometown.  I know he didn't go - opted for Hooters instead.  (I was in constant contact via cell phone and I saw the receipt).  How can I move past this and get over my suspicion??  I think about this every day. I am paranoid and I wonder that if he hasn't been forthcoming on this, what else has he failed to tell me so as not to hurt me?  The deception hurts the most.  (sorry so long!!)

I have been in your shoes, almost exactly. I have been with my hubby for 15 years and just celebrated our 10th wedding anniverwsay. a little over a year ago I came accross porn on the computer, i was 8 months preg with our 4th baby. My husband though saw the pain he caused me had total remorse for what he had done to me and realized that he stood to loose the woman who loves him and daily life with his 4 children all over porn. He hadn't viewed his looking at porn as cheating but I did. He thought until he saw my pain that it was no big deal. I asked him how he would feel if i did it. He said it wouldn't bother him. So I said (excuse my directness here)"Oh really so if i went looking at hot guys who were really built and well hung so that i could get all turned on and fullfill some need you weren't fullfilling that wouldn't bother you?" When I put it like that he got it. Our marriage is so much better now. We are in a great place and I trust him. It took time, and honestly I still feel insecure sometimes, but I do trust him. I think the reason this is with you so much of the time still is because it really doesn't sound like your hubby got it. He didn't get how much it hurt you or why. He may have stopped but that is because he doesn't want to get in trouble or cause trouble but you don't seem to feel like he really understands the pain he caused you. You should talk to him let him know, in a calm unaccusing way, that you are still insecure over this, let him know how much he hurt you and why it hurt so deeply. Let him know that you think you just really need him to get it to be able to put it behind you. He will have to support you and feel remorse about the pain he caused for you to be able to get closure. At the same time if you decide to continue on and want to trust him again you're going to have to dive in. You are going to have to put your heart back out there and trust that he won't do this to you again. That is what trust is all about. It is scary but worth it if it all turns out. Good luck and know that there is hope in moving past this. Love yourself and get to know who you are again....being a mom and wife sometimes leaves us little time for ourselves and knowing/loving ourselves is one of the best tools we have for not only being a good mom and wife but for dealing with situations like this as well.
 
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July 28, 2005, 10:56 am PDT

Hi ya!

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The Log In gets timed out. I've once again written a lengthy post, while logged in, and it was lost when I was sent back to the Log In.

Either I need to learn to be a much faster typist, keep my thoughts shorter or quit trying altogether.

This new format is in serious need of rework.
how are you doing? Hope all is well! I agree this new format needs work!! :)
 
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July 28, 2005, 11:49 am PDT

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The Log In gets timed out. I've once again written a lengthy post, while logged in, and it was lost when I was sent back to the Log In.

Either I need to learn to be a much faster typist, keep my thoughts shorter or quit trying altogether.

This new format is in serious need of rework.
It happened to me once, too, allinall. The general consensus seems to be that you have to type fast. I'm sure they're getting tired of reading our complaints, but something really needs to be done. This new format is a mess.
 

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