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Parents want the best for their children, but what’s the best way to educate them? Dr. Phil’s guests face off in a debate about whether to school, homeschool or unschool. Dana and her husband, Joe, call themselves radical unschoolers. They say education happens as a side effect of life, and they don’t believe in tests, curriculums or grades. Are their three kids learning what they need to know? Then, RaeAnn says public schools are death traps and wants to homeschool her children. Her husband, Steve, says their kids are safer at school than they are at home. Can this couple reach a compromise? Plus, Nicole feels like an outcast at 26. She says she hated being homeschooled, and couldn’t relate to other kids. Share your thoughts here.

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November 24, 2006, 6:23 pm PST

There is good and bad in all 3 choices

I have had dealings with both homeschooling and public schooling and there are pros and cons in both, the same as there is in ANYTHING. What makes anything work or fail is that you have the right intentions and goals and follow thru with that.

I would like for Dr Phil to follow up on the home schooling and have another show on this after he finds more productive homeschooling parents and homeschooling advisors and the board that regulates home schooling There are alot of facts for the homeschoolers that was not brought out. For instance There is a board of regulations. and they do have functions and atheletics for the homeschoolers the same as they do the public school system

achive the same level as  a public school student in order to receive graduation achivement  Middle Schools , High Schools, Colleges do except the achivement level of the home schooler if he or she decides to return to the public education system. Most homeschoolers that graduate go on to college with a very high grade point average. In our area the homeschooler does have interation on a weekly basis with other students in the area. THere is so much that was not mentioned on the show and I could not possible put into such a small text box. I hope that Dr Phil will have his reasearchers look into not only his area but other areas that have homeschoolers and where they have to register and see that they have to abide by the board of education and follow strict rules. and once he has all his facts I hope that he will air another show with more up to date information and a fair show of sides.

I know 5 kids that have been homeschooled from elementary to college from different families and different areas. All five have excelled and have become accomplished professionals after completing  their master or doc degree.

 Whether home schooled or public schooled or unschooled the success depends on the teacher or other adult who influences the childs education and how that person understands and supplies that childs needs to become a happy well adjusted and accomplished adult.

This is my opinion and my belief based on the experiences I have had with both ty pes of education.

 
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November 24, 2006, 6:25 pm PST

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If your child is gifted, what makes you think YOU are qualified to educate him but an entire school system isn't?

Because this parent knows their child better then anyone, and knows the best way to teach them. There are sooo many resources out there to teach our children. Not just those with a degree have all the answers.
 
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November 24, 2006, 6:27 pm PST

After graduation

I have  recently attended my 55th high school class reunion. I have very strong ties with the people with whom I attended public school.  I received a very good education . Some of my nieces and nephews were home schooled, until they entered high school, they  then went on to attend college, It is my opinion that the idea of No schooling is a foolish idea. Children need some structure, and  think these children would be missing out on a very important connection with other people. I treasure my relationship with my old school chums, who were from all walks of life, and from a variety of financial backgrounds.  
 
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November 24, 2006, 6:28 pm PST

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For all those who say the they must home school their children are you smart enough to teach them what it takes 60+ teachers in 13 years of schooling to teach them. These are people who have 4 to 8 years of college above a high school education.  I have been around home school children I have a brother in law who is home school his children and  I can see the social skills that his kids are lacking.  These children must be able to take directions from someone other than mom and dad.  Their oldest has no respect for adults and is going to be out in the world in just 6 months.  He is not ready for college or getting a job.  Yes, they have home school group that they go to plus the church.  but it still is not enough in today world. 

 

One questions are you able to teach them to they can earn enough to support a family in the future?  Are they going to be able to handle being around other people for 8 to 12 hours a day and do a job effectly and not lose it because of being out in all of the goinging on of the world and not lose it.  For most home schooler life is very easy and quite but that is not the way of the world.  The world  going very fast and very loud.

 

As for the no schoolers HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND!!   END OF SUBJECT!!!

 

FEAR---IS  NO REASON TO HOME SCHOOL. YOUR FEAR THAT THE CHILDREN WILL BE HARMED WHILE IN SCHOOL IS NO REASON TO HOME SCHOOL.  All that will do to your children is they will grow up in fear that something will happen to them.  Do not do this to them. 

 

The shooting at the Amish school house in PA  is not a good example to use.  You must understand the live of the Amish  That school house had no protection from just anyone walking in no phone. or locked doors.  Most public school have cameras and locked doors when school is in.  I live in PA and not far for that school and it has not changed any thing in the public school here because of the school system safety nets. 

 

 

It would not be wise to judge all home schooling parents by one person you saw for 3 mintues. We all don't base our decision on total fear. Comments like yours show the ignorance of people who know nothing about home schooling. There are so many close minded people.
 
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November 24, 2006, 6:34 pm PST

It's easy

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For all those who say the they must home school their children are you smart enough to teach them what it takes 60+ teachers in 13 years of schooling to teach them. These are people who have 4 to 8 years of college above a high school education.  I have been around home school children I have a brother in law who is home school his children and  I can see the social skills that his kids are lacking.  These children must be able to take directions from someone other than mom and dad.  Their oldest has no respect for adults and is going to be out in the world in just 6 months.  He is not ready for college or getting a job.  Yes, they have home school group that they go to plus the church.  but it still is not enough in today world. 

 

One questions are you able to teach them to they can earn enough to support a family in the future?  Are they going to be able to handle being around other people for 8 to 12 hours a day and do a job effectly and not lose it because of being out in all of the goinging on of the world and not lose it.  For most home schooler life is very easy and quite but that is not the way of the world.  The world  going very fast and very loud.

 

As for the no schoolers HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND!!   END OF SUBJECT!!!

 

FEAR---IS  NO REASON TO HOME SCHOOL. YOUR FEAR THAT THE CHILDREN WILL BE HARMED WHILE IN SCHOOL IS NO REASON TO HOME SCHOOL.  All that will do to your children is they will grow up in fear that something will happen to them.  Do not do this to them. 

 

The shooting at the Amish school house in PA  is not a good example to use.  You must understand the live of the Amish  That school house had no protection from just anyone walking in no phone. or locked doors.  Most public school have cameras and locked doors when school is in.  I live in PA and not far for that school and it has not changed any thing in the public school here because of the school system safety nets. 

 

 

You just subsribe to a virtual school.  They are awesome!  I can read, write and do math and have 3 yrs of college.  I have one child and do virtual school.  They do it for me (I pay dearly for it)  It loads my lesson plans for each day,  Some is on the computer like videos on how storms form and then books, then I click next and we read Stone Fox and answere questions online before he can move on, then we click next and do spelling, and next and do History and watch a movie from the school and do workbook work and click next and go to piano and karate and gym and P.E. and art and then we do science and discect a fish (from the school) and raise a tadpole and realize there tail doesn't fall off there body obsorbs it (you don't feed them for a week during this time) Did you know that hail is formed by the wind blowing it back up in the air over and over?  That determines it's size.  If you cut it open it would have rings. I could go on and on. That's how  we use k12.
 
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November 24, 2006, 6:36 pm PST

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Because this parent knows their child better then anyone, and knows the best way to teach them. There are sooo many resources out there to teach our children. Not just those with a degree have all the answers.

Albert Einstein's teacher told her he was retarded.  So she homeschooled him.
 
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November 24, 2006, 6:37 pm PST

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     I just started homeschooling my children this year.  I have a 8th grader, 2nd grader and a pre schooler.  I do not agree with non-schooling.  We get up at the same time everyday and start school.  We do all topics and take tests and I keep grades.  I enjoy being with my children and they enjoy being home.  We keep a very structured day and do things to have fun when we are done.  My children use to be in public school but we pulled them because I did not like the schools here.  And I do not have the luxury to drive every where to take them to another.  So we did this and I feel that it is a much safer way for them to school.  Now if the time comes that they want to go back to public school then we will discuss it but for now they are happy and so am I.  Some may choose to just let their kids learn by every day life but we do not.  I have heard of unschooling but I felt that it was not the correct way for us as all parents choose their kids path.  You have to do what is best for your children.  So far I love homeschoolig and glad it was opened up to me.  Now I can see no other way to do it but this way.

Kudos to you!  I too began homeschooling my three children this year. Each of my children are homeschooled for different reasons. We homeschool through a charter school which is actually a virtual public school. I know that they are getting everything that they need. We even have a weekly meeting where kids get to go to "class."

 

I have read many comments on how teachers are not getting enough credit. I will give credit where credit is due. There are some fine teachers, and there are some not so fine teachers. I worked in special ed. classes for some time. I can tell you that in this type of situation, the aide does most of the "teaching." For the most part, the teachers are planning and writing IEP's, not teaching. But, the "uneducated" aids teaches because she passes a test. I'm sorry, but teaching is not that difficult. As parents, we are always teaching our children, whether the child is in public school or homeschooled.

 

As far as socializing, why do kids need to be socialized in a school setting?  There are plenty of opportunities to socialize outside of school. Why do we want kids socialized in a school setting? I have to say that the socialization that my kids did learn in the public school were the things I would not want them to learn: cussing, hitting, fighting, how to dress (inappropriately), dirty jokes, slang, and so much more. Sure their were some friends, but not true friends.

 

Public schools work for most kids, not all. There are many learning styles and the public school does not address them all. The kinesthetic learning can't possibly learn in a public school -- it would be deemed as having ADD. 

 

All in all, each child is an individual. I can truly see why homeschooling is a growing trend.

 
 
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November 24, 2006, 6:39 pm PST

one of my children is...

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If they are unschooled will they have an undiploma and an unjob or will the just be unemployed?

 

already employed!  At age 11 he has several thousand dollars in the bank.  Not a bad start. 
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You just subsribe to a virtual school.  They are awesome!  I can read, write and do math and have 3 yrs of college.  I have one child and do virtual school.  They do it for me (I pay dearly for it)  It loads my lesson plans for each day,  Some is on the computer like videos on how storms form and then books, then I click next and we read Stone Fox and answere questions online before he can move on, then we click next and do spelling, and next and do History and watch a movie from the school and do workbook work and click next and go to piano and karate and gym and P.E. and art and then we do science and discect a fish (from the school) and raise a tadpole and realize there tail doesn't fall off there body obsorbs it (you don't feed them for a week during this time) Did you know that hail is formed by the wind blowing it back up in the air over and over?  That determines it's size.  If you cut it open it would have rings. I could go on and on. That's how  we use k12.
I forgot to say this is for my 9 yr. old son.
 
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You just subsribe to a virtual school.  They are awesome!  I can read, write and do math and have 3 yrs of college.  I have one child and do virtual school.  They do it for me (I pay dearly for it)  It loads my lesson plans for each day,  Some is on the computer like videos on how storms form and then books, then I click next and we read Stone Fox and answere questions online before he can move on, then we click next and do spelling, and next and do History and watch a movie from the school and do workbook work and click next and go to piano and karate and gym and P.E. and art and then we do science and discect a fish (from the school) and raise a tadpole and realize there tail doesn't fall off there body obsorbs it (you don't feed them for a week during this time) Did you know that hail is formed by the wind blowing it back up in the air over and over?  That determines it's size.  If you cut it open it would have rings. I could go on and on. That's how  we use k12.
We use K12 too. It's great!
 
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