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Parents want the best for their children, but what’s the best way to educate them? Dr. Phil’s guests face off in a debate about whether to school, homeschool or unschool. Dana and her husband, Joe, call themselves radical unschoolers. They say education happens as a side effect of life, and they don’t believe in tests, curriculums or grades. Are their three kids learning what they need to know? Then, RaeAnn says public schools are death traps and wants to homeschool her children. Her husband, Steve, says their kids are safer at school than they are at home. Can this couple reach a compromise? Plus, Nicole feels like an outcast at 26. She says she hated being homeschooled, and couldn’t relate to other kids. Share your thoughts here.

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May 30, 2007, 1:00 pm PDT

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I should make myself clear... I don't believe it should be the school's responsibility to make sure kids are fit. I think they should shorten the school day or not give homework so kids have more time to play and less sitting.
I agree completely. 
 
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May 30, 2007, 2:31 pm PDT

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I agree, it really has nothing to do with the current discussion.  I think it's a stretch. I think she is hoping someone's  family in this discussion is fat. That would make her feel good and even.... superior.

Or course, we could discuss the possible health benefits of homeschooling and unschooling. (I say possible because it really all comes down to individual decisions.) We all know cafeteria lunches are not healthy. We also know that many schools are denying recess and/or PE time

 

Oh I know....many homeschoolers are fat because they sit in front of the tv or computer all day - because they are locked in their house and aren't in sports or activities where they interact with  children from other schools - children other than siblings.

 

We all know cafeteria lunches are not healthy. We also know that many schools are denying recess and/or PE time.

 

This is very true.  It is a cryin' shame some kids don't get out more. Phys ed once a week at out school in the elm. level. Three times in the high school. Isn't that messed up? Those little kids with all the energy and they don't get the exercise.  I do know a few  teachers who are great about taking their kids out every single school day.

This is exactly why I take Emma outside to play every single day....I want exercise and activity to be part of her DAILY routine. I do have a weight problem, it's due to some emotional eating issues that I am working through, but I am certainly not going to let that leak into my daughter. She eats healthy meals, very few sweets and lots of exercise and water.

I have seen fat kids from all walks of life...
 
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May 30, 2007, 5:17 pm PDT

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Maybe his wife feels like I do. I say that about myself , "I only have a GED." I value higher education very much so. I guess maybe it depends on who reads it. I dunno.

It's one thing to write that about yourself, but seems belittling to write it about another.  If it had read "I am a man, my wife is only a woman" that would seem degrading to me.   

 
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May 30, 2007, 5:34 pm PDT

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Quote From: penny_lady

Maybe I missed a post where someone said that a non-degreed parent would need more help with curriculum...but I didn't say anything like that, nor do I agree.

I only have a high school diploma, I haven't  had money or time to go to college, but I plan on it someday. (Actually, I have a GED.) I don't see it as an insult. I just see it, as you said, as a way to describe the amount of formal education I have received. And I would like more, especially in certain areas.  There is a lot  you can learn on your own...but there are somethings, for me at least, that I would like a classroom to help with. Especially science labs and having a teacher to actually talk with and answer questions about things I might be seeing or doing in a lab environment.

"A parent with a limited education might need to depend more on a curriculum than a parent with a degree."

 

That was from the original post (and I know you didn't write it:).  I simply disagree with that statement. 

 

 

I only have a high school diploma, I haven't  had money or time to go to college, but I plan on it someday. (Actually, I have a GED.) I don't see it as an insult. I just see it, as you said, as a way to describe the amount of formal education I have received. And I would like more, especially in certain areas.  There is a lot  you can learn on your own...but there are somethings, for me at least, that I would like a classroom to help with. Especially science labs and having a teacher to actually talk with and answer questions about things I might be seeing or doing in a lab environment.

 

I completely understand that, and I agree there are things learned much more easily from someone else and with the right equipment. 

 

There have been plenty of classes my kids have taken from other people or in other places because I didn't have the facilities or the knowledge to do it properly.  Unschooling is about following the kids interests in helping them explore them in whatever way works.  I guess it's more like how many adults go about it. 

 

Also, Penny, I would never know that you have a GED rather than a PhD or whatever.  You write and express yourself so well and come across very intelligently.  I guess that was sort of my point, that skills can be learned in an out of the classroom and it's difficult to know what background anyone has that will be helpful in homeschooling. 

 

 
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May 30, 2007, 6:16 pm PDT

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It's one thing to write that about yourself, but seems belittling to write it about another.  If it had read "I am a man, my wife is only a woman" that would seem degrading to me.   

But you don't value a degree that much it seems...so how could it be degrading?

And my point wasn't like that, it wasn't ok to say it because I said it about myself, it wouldn't insult me if someone else said that to me, as it's true. The word "only" implies a limitation of some sort...and to say "only a high school diploma" implies a limitation on education, which is literally what we are talking about.
 
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May 30, 2007, 6:20 pm PDT

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"A parent with a limited education might need to depend more on a curriculum than a parent with a degree."

 

That was from the original post (and I know you didn't write it:).  I simply disagree with that statement. 

 

 

I only have a high school diploma, I haven't  had money or time to go to college, but I plan on it someday. (Actually, I have a GED.) I don't see it as an insult. I just see it, as you said, as a way to describe the amount of formal education I have received. And I would like more, especially in certain areas.  There is a lot  you can learn on your own...but there are somethings, for me at least, that I would like a classroom to help with. Especially science labs and having a teacher to actually talk with and answer questions about things I might be seeing or doing in a lab environment.

 

I completely understand that, and I agree there are things learned much more easily from someone else and with the right equipment. 

 

There have been plenty of classes my kids have taken from other people or in other places because I didn't have the facilities or the knowledge to do it properly.  Unschooling is about following the kids interests in helping them explore them in whatever way works.  I guess it's more like how many adults go about it. 

 

Also, Penny, I would never know that you have a GED rather than a PhD or whatever.  You write and express yourself so well and come across very intelligently.  I guess that was sort of my point, that skills can be learned in an out of the classroom and it's difficult to know what background anyone has that will be helpful in homeschooling. 

 

I totally agree with you here.

(And I didn't see that original post, thank you for showing it to me.)

I am more and more seeing how homeschooling is really the right choice for me because I have found I am a good teacher to myself and to my husband and to others if the opportunity does present itself.

And thank you, I am truly flattered...my knowledge really is all self learned. I didn't do well in high school and stumbled around a bit after for a few years. But I did have that 'learning is work' mentality for years and I finally found out about myself...that I LOVE learning!

Again, I really am flattered...very very much so. Thank you.
 
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May 30, 2007, 6:26 pm PDT

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But you don't value a degree that much it seems...so how could it be degrading?

And my point wasn't like that, it wasn't ok to say it because I said it about myself, it wouldn't insult me if someone else said that to me, as it's true. The word "only" implies a limitation of some sort...and to say "only a high school diploma" implies a limitation on education, which is literally what we are talking about.
This was not a hostile post...I am working REALLY hard at making my words not sound hostile, I have been told that I come off that way. LOL

I just talk "matter-of-factly" and it comes off wrong in type.
 
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May 30, 2007, 7:51 pm PDT

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But you don't value a degree that much it seems...so how could it be degrading?

And my point wasn't like that, it wasn't ok to say it because I said it about myself, it wouldn't insult me if someone else said that to me, as it's true. The word "only" implies a limitation of some sort...and to say "only a high school diploma" implies a limitation on education, which is literally what we are talking about.

It seemed to me that the"only" implied that it was inferior.   I just don't think it's appropriate to imply having a degree is superior to having a HS diploma.  Maybe it is that I don't value degrees as much as some people.  I guess that is the point I was trying to make... sometimes it takes me a while ;) 

 

I don't agree that a college degree is, while a highschool diploma is only.  In my mind, one isn't better than the other.

 
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May 30, 2007, 7:59 pm PDT

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Quote From: penny_lady

This was not a hostile post...I am working REALLY hard at making my words not sound hostile, I have been told that I come off that way. LOL

I just talk "matter-of-factly" and it comes off wrong in type.

I didn't take it as hostile, Penny.  I've been told the same thing... even by one RLfriend.  She told me she could "hear" me say it, so she wasn't offended, by a post I thought was really not offensive in the slightest.  I try to take posts as straight forward. 

 

Sometimes I think... "Hey, what about that?"  And it probably reads as "What about THAT?"   I'm also likely to read that backwards.... and not catch the hostility.  So if I tick you off, make sure I really know.  Otherwise, I'll just assume it's friendly chat.  LOL 

 
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May 30, 2007, 11:43 pm PDT

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Quote From: omgwhocares

I didn't take it as hostile, Penny.  I've been told the same thing... even by one RLfriend.  She told me she could "hear" me say it, so she wasn't offended, by a post I thought was really not offensive in the slightest.  I try to take posts as straight forward. 

 

Sometimes I think... "Hey, what about that?"  And it probably reads as "What about THAT?"   I'm also likely to read that backwards.... and not catch the hostility.  So if I tick you off, make sure I really know.  Otherwise, I'll just assume it's friendly chat.  LOL 

"So if I tick you off, make sure I really know.  Otherwise, I'll just assume it's friendly chat.  LOL "

Deal...lol
 
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