Topic : 11/24 Great School Debate

But TV is very educational. 

We learned about labor unions one day on Sponge Bob Squarepants...

TV is a huge money making machine.  Unless it's on PBS, the information you are getting has been put out there because think tanks at various networks have decided it will suit their demographic, and they will respond to the corresponding advertising.

Sneakers, the fact that Sponge Bob Square Pants has ANY say in your children's education is disturbing.  Really.  He's pure entertainment, and possibly a social commentary...but educational?

Yikes. 

Marie

But TV is very educational. 

We learned about labor unions one day on Sponge Bob Squarepants...

TV is a huge money making machine.  Unless it's on PBS, the information you are getting has been put out there because think tanks at various networks have decided it will suit their demographic, and they will respond to the corresponding advertising.

Sneakers, the fact that Sponge Bob Square Pants has ANY say in your children's education is disturbing.  Really.  He's pure entertainment, and possibly a social commentary...but educational?

Yikes. 

Marie

My husband and I are very "concerned" with our children's education, therefore, we moved to a higher end area with good public schools.  My oldest son is 8 and in 3rd grade.   He is almost a year younger than most of the other kids as their Moms kept them back a year.  He is doing above average work and not having any issues.  I think there is A LOT of mis-understanding about public schools.  First, in my son's class there are LESS kids than the average area's private schools.  Next, there are boudaries set by the district on w hat they can teach your child that do not exist in private school.  In private school (I found this out after we checked out private schools and from a teacher) they can teach whatever they see fit.  Also, it is up to the parent to be involved in their child's education.  If you see your child is struggling in any way, then go to the teacher and work something out.  Public school has a multitude of programs to assist you and with the "NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND" there's really no excuse (learning disability or whatever) to not have your child succeed.  We have what is called a 504 plan for my son.  Basically, it is a legal document that will follow him through High School.  I can dicatate (if need be) every move/action the teacher makes in regards to my son.  It is NOT that way now but the option exists.  This is available to all parents at any public school.  Last, I can claim all you do about my son's public school.  That is why we are "dishing out the money" to live in a nice area.  Therefore, the crime and bullying you speak of really isn't an issue where we live.   If it does happen, then my son will take care of it with help from his Dad and I.  I think a lot of people are very mis-guided about not only private school but homeschooling and unschooling as well.  Part of education is not just academics.  There is so much more.  In today's world, there is very little chance for self-sufficiency without a decent education.  Also, you need to have skills beyond that.  If you can't deal with people or situations that may come up in life (like bullying) you are not likely to have a lot of job offers.  In a public school setting, although not perfect, there is much more to learn on a social level.  You learn to wait your turn, respect others and that there are consequences for your actions that can affect your whole class.  Anyone who thinks the majority of private schools kids are perfect, think again.  When I was young, these were among the most wild of us all.  They just had the $$ to get out of most any trouble. 

All in all, a good education can come from a good public school.  I agree, not all are good.  There are some even in my district I would not send my kids to.  That is why my hubby and I are very careful if we decided to buy another house in this area.  We want to make sure we stay within school lines that we like.  Also, if a parent expects the school to teach everything to their child then they are in error.  I am in my son's class every week helping out.  No, I am not  Room Mom every year but I am there.  I have been on Field Trips and helped out with parties and such.  I consider myself lucky to be able to do this even though I work full time.  There is academic education which I believe needs to be done by people who are qualified- someone with teaching credentials. For what it's worth, I also believe anyone who homeschools/unschools should have these same credentials. Then there  is the other edcuation which is about life.  This is up to parents. 

Last, don't assume every kid in public school has parents who don't care.  Just as you assume this there are people who assume things about you and your choices.  You are not the only parent who is involved in your child's life the way you are.  I have many many friends who are teachers in public schools and I can tell you they are far more trained than anyone realizes.  They are concerned and they do teach every child no matter how big their class is.  Also, in public school in 1st and 2nd grade the class size has to be UNDER 20 kids...again lower than most private schools.  My friends also say their biggest battle is not teaching the kids but dealing with parents.  Food for thought. 

The poster is homeschooling for religious reasons and that is a valid reason.  Whether or not you agree with her reasons is no reason to ridicule.

I don't ridicule those who choose school, I don't chastise the good teachers stuck in a bad system. 

I personally don't homeschool for religious reasons but I support her right to do so.  Which, I think, is the bottom line for this debate.  Homeschooling is legal in all 50 states, and parents have the right to educate their children as they choose.  We can work together to try to understand each others reasons, but we'll never all agree, we'll never all homeschool the same way, but we can respect each others choices.  All of the parents here on this board have their kids' best interests at heart.  None of us would be in our positions if we felt we were harming our children and their futures.

I understand those who want to try to understand radical unschooling, and believe me, I (and other radical and not-so-radical unschoolers have heard all of the arguments before.  Trust me on that. :))  But it's not a simple concept to grasp.  It requires a whole paradigm shift, unlike homeschooling that uses a curriculum, or basically brings school home.

Its the parents responsibility to do what is best for their children....

I couldn't agree more with that statement.  Unfortunately there are many parents that are not responsible in doing what is best for their children.

I'm sorry if my view that there must be some sort of umbrella of protection for children is upsetting for you.  The only answer that I can come up with is in government monitoring and yes holding it's citizens accountable for their actions.

Again I am NOT against homeschooling at all.  I feel that every poster here is making the very best decisions in how they choose to educate their children.  My only concern is the parent that is not able to properly educate their children.

How do we keep that child from falling through the cracks without a specified regulations? 

Fredi