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Parents want the best for their children, but what’s the best way to educate them? Dr. Phil’s guests face off in a debate about whether to school, homeschool or unschool. Dana and her husband, Joe, call themselves radical unschoolers. They say education happens as a side effect of life, and they don’t believe in tests, curriculums or grades. Are their three kids learning what they need to know? Then, RaeAnn says public schools are death traps and wants to homeschool her children. Her husband, Steve, says their kids are safer at school than they are at home. Can this couple reach a compromise? Plus, Nicole feels like an outcast at 26. She says she hated being homeschooled, and couldn’t relate to other kids. Share your thoughts here.

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November 21, 2006, 5:02 pm PST

11/24 Great School Debate

Quote From: valdelhard

don't forget the fat body parts and artery clogging animal fat lesson, too!!
Yes...but  the experience in and of itself is educational.  Many of us have had  a  bender in college that caused us to never overindulge in alcohol again - because the experience, albeit a sucky one, of leaning over a toilet at 4 a.m. and puking up a lung along with a pint of Bacardi 151 and Coke.

Sometimes, you need to let your kids learn from their own mistakes.  Being there to warn them that overindulging (in whatever) will cause detrimental effects is sometimes not a strong enough lesson than the lesson one will get from having a tummy ache from eating too much ice cream. 

Of course, this is a "learning" method generally reserved for much older youth,  I'm guessing she doesn't actually let a 4 or 5 year-old eat an entire bucket of ice cream...I'm not an unschooler, but I do know that a 15-year-old learns a much more effective lesson by eating 4 burritos at lunchtime and living with a stomachache than he would just by having someone tell him to not eat that many. ;)
 
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November 21, 2006, 5:04 pm PST

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I veg when I need to.  But I'm an adult.  Children are children.  Too often adults expect children to act like adults when they're not.  And too often adults gloss over the needs of children, because they think that they know best.  I know my kids better than a stranger may, but ultimately my kids know themselves far better than I do.  They are not me.

 

And yes, I will veg on the couch for a week if I need to.

I understand that. But  there isn't a magic adulthood door you walk through. Your childhood is also to train you to be an adult.

And wow, what job do you have that you can veg on the couch for a week?  I would LOVE to get that job.
 
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November 21, 2006, 5:05 pm PST

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Quote From: sneakers145

And you don't feel like our rights in this country are being taken away piece by piece in the name of Homeland Security, for one thing?  But that's fodder for another debate.

 

I'm not a victim and never claimed I was.  But this country was founded on personal freedoms that are slowly being eroded.

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
Benjamin Franklin
 
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November 21, 2006, 5:07 pm PST

Christmas?

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I think it's a mytht that homeschooled children are goign to be socially inept. My sister has homeschooled all of her children. they all have many friends, they take Ballet, Karate, horse riding, scouts, and more. The oldest who is 16 is going to college! I think it is up to the parents to make sure they get socialized. At school they have peers yes. But those peers can get your child into things they don't need to be involved in: smoking,drinking,gangs. Also kids bully other kids at school who they dont like. Add to that the school violence and I think kids are better off at home,

 

In addition, schools nowadays are giving kids WAY tro many holidays and time off. I mean they have Christmas and Thanksgiving which is fine. But then they have: Presidence day, labor day,memorial day, MLK day, plus school inservices and half days on Wedensdays. Add to that snow days and you pretty much should teach the kids yourself. I have known relatives children who go the public school and they are not learning things the way they should.

 

Also, now teachers are having to teach "To the test" and therefore are not able to let kids learn at their own speed and be able to slow down to let them catch up.

 

I think everyone has to make the  choice that is right for them. But I hear more and more parents are homeschooling for various reasons.

 

My sisters kids do schoolwork every morning and then they do other activities. I think we under-estimate how much kids learn jsut from being kids! Sure we have to teach them some things, but you would be amazed at what kids can learn on their own. Even simple things like baking teaches math and so much more.

Schools in my area do not have Christmas any more? I  guess casue it's considered a Christian holiday.They can't even have a gift exchange...........Now, what's wrong with giving a gift? Well, another board, another time maybe.....but not for me, I am off for the rest of the week and who knows how much longer. Have a great Thanksgiving everyone.
 
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November 21, 2006, 5:07 pm PST

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Quote From: amberlyn1

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
Benjamin Franklin
I agree with that, thats why in many respects I consider myself a libertarian...but we aren't talking about that.


 
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November 21, 2006, 5:09 pm PST

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Fredi said:

 

Those who choose to homeschool and those who choose to unschool are for the most part simply being combative and defencive in their positions in this forum.  I am grateful for those who have taken the time to explain their motives and their efforts that are driving them in these choices.

 

Thank you all posters that weren't combative, and level headed enough to explain you methods.  It's much appreciated by myself.

 

It is my hope that you will understand why most people that homeschool do what they do.  I've tried to remain non-combative, as I don't feel like this would do any good.  I want you (and others) to see why we DO homeschool, not why we don't send our kids to public school.  There are pros and cons in all of the choices, we just do what we feel is best for our family.  I worked as a preschool teacher for 10 years before ever having any children, and I just WANT to be with my children.  I know how quickly they are growing up! 

 

It is my humble opinion that many homeschoolers become what you might view as combative, because they are on the defense.  We believe fully in what we do, and we don't want that right (and blessing) taken away.  I think that's the basic fear in our minds - that somehow that right, liberty, and joy will be taken from us.  This would be a travesty and a tragedy.   I realize that there may be a handful of people out there that may not do as well as they should, but overall, homeschoolers love their children very much and want (and make sure they get!) what is best for them.

 

My heart fills with such joy when I see my child "get it!"  To listen to my child reading, and then it hits me - "I taught him that!"  Wow!  To impart our children with knowledge and then hear them later "teaching" (telling) someone else what they learned is amazing and exciting!.  Getting to run into other homeschoolers out on lunch break at McDonald's and our kids play together in the Playplace is so much fun! (happened to us to day - great surprise that made our day!)  We get to eat every meal together - wherever we want! (we love getting to meet Daddy for lunch - it makes his day AND ours!)  The world is our classroom...we can be found 'doing school' at the kitchen table, on the coffee table, on the living room floor next to our dog and kitty, on a picnic table outside (when it's warmer!), at the store, at the library, at a desk in our room, in the kitchen (cooking yummy stuff!), at Mamaw & Papaw's, with sidewalk chalk outside (for the younger ones), on a tv tray, on a porch swing, on a blanket in our yard, on our deck, in our minivan, wherever!  Our kids are my favorite people - being together with them is wonderful, even on 'one of THOSE days!'  We are able to learn every moment of every day - any moment can turn into a teaching opportunity.  I love sharing with them on a daily basis and being a real part of their learning process.  I enjoy watching them learn from each other.  I love that I get to watch them blossom and see their self-confidence grow day by day.  I like it that I can get a hug (or give a hug!) from my kids any time of the day.  =o)   I could go on and on...  (oh wait!  I DID go on and on!  LOL)  Anyway, this is what we love, this is what we do.

 
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November 21, 2006, 5:11 pm PST

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Quote From: jettav

Schools in my area do not have Christmas any more? I  guess casue it's considered a Christian holiday.They can't even have a gift exchange...........Now, what's wrong with giving a gift? Well, another board, another time maybe.....but not for me, I am off for the rest of the week and who knows how much longer. Have a great Thanksgiving everyone.
My local elementary actually went as far as to tell the K-2 students last year that they weren't allowed to wear red and green during the week before Christmas break. 


 
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November 21, 2006, 5:13 pm PST

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Quote From: jettav

Schools in my area do not have Christmas any more? I  guess casue it's considered a Christian holiday.They can't even have a gift exchange...........Now, what's wrong with giving a gift? Well, another board, another time maybe.....but not for me, I am off for the rest of the week and who knows how much longer. Have a great Thanksgiving everyone.
That's weird. I know many Christians who think Christmas is a Satanic holiday.
 
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November 21, 2006, 5:15 pm PST

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Quote From: amberlyn1

My local elementary actually went as far as to tell the K-2 students last year that they weren't allowed to wear red and green during the week before Christmas break. 


I'm sorry. But I have to call total bull on that.

Please, give us some evidence of this. Please, privately email me and give me the name of the school district so I can call and ask. You don't have to tell me the exact school or your name or anything please.

I find that truly hard to believe. It sounds like the general scare mongering that certain groups participate in.
 
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November 21, 2006, 5:18 pm PST

I agree!!!

Quote From: puppydogma

  As a teacher, I have seen students excel in public school, parochial school, private school, and home-school.  What makes it work (or not work) is the parent.  Children have emotional needs, health/nutritional needs as well as academic needs.  When the child's needs are met, the child can feel secure in his/her environment and thrive.  Parents, please, get involved in the life of your child.  No one can raise your child for you. Step up to the plate.
I agree whole-heartedly!  No matter WHERE your children are educated, or HOW, you - as a parent - MUST be totally involved!  =o)
 
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