Topic : 11/24 Great School Debate

Quote From: rs8180

Do you know Einstein's teacher told his mother he was retarded?  She was a teacher and homeschooled him.  What do you think would have happened to us if they put him on drugs and sent him to school????

Quote From: fly1bby

YOu just made my point.

I believe the battle in the mind of the parent is responsible for a great deal of this 'home schooling' that goes on around the country.  What kind of hysteria made that Mother say, 'public schools are death traps'.  Your front yard is a death trap if you want to use the wrong words for everything.  The mark of the uneducated mind.

At best, there are co-op's. 

 I think home schooling occupies the Mommy's time who wonders what she will do when the kids are at school or perhaps doesn't have the initiative to work. 

She thinks she on to some Noble cause.  

Either that or she's  just too lazy to get up and get on with the routine.   We all know that's true.  The Dad, wanting to keep the peace, so he just goes along with it. 

 A prideful, ego trip carries the Mother on her journey  as she proves to the world how much smarter she and her children are going to be.  

I also see fear as a motive for home schooling.  Here in Missouri, the parents are shut out of the public school system.  Unless you completely understand the lingo, are willing to be aggressive with the teachers and above all, know that your little darling is indeed capable of doing just about anything, then the 'them against us' attitude prevails here.  It is a backward culture with strong fundamentalist preaching that's out of balance with life and reality.

 

The ideas about education here are old.  They do breed contempt.

If you take someone who did not necessarily do well in school, has low self-worth, add to that fear and you have a typical home-schooling parent.

Only 25% of the youngsters go on to get a college degree in Missouri; which, is 24th in the Nation and darn proud of it.  Home schoolers are everywhere.  Do they know as much or more as the qualified Instructors in the school?  Don't be ridiculous.

Timid, uneducated parents think they are superior by refusing to allow their children to socialize.

How else can they distinguish themselves?   It's part of the backward thinking that's prevelant.

 

Most children deeply resent staring at their Mother's all day for years on end.

Mother's are supposed to be Mother's.  Period.

We do not  have Ph.D's in Science and English and Math.  Nor are we all well traveled with a complete working knowledge of the events of the day.

The cloistered stifeling environment of home-schooling would have driven me nuts.

I would have hated it and whoever put me through it as a child.

What kind of an ego makes a Mother think she is all people and  life's experiences to her child?

I think the inablity to accept others is at the heart of home schooling. 

I loved my friends, my teachers and the learning experience.

IF there were horrible tramatic issues, as a child, as with all children, I was blissfully unaware of them.

We took our youngest son and moved to Texas while he was in Jr. High.  He did not just survive the Texas school system, he thrived, he went on to become a Scholar and is now a Dean's Scholar at OSU in Stillwater.

The other kids in our neighborhood are following typical Missouri schedules.  Deciding to join the military, then undeciding, deciding to go to college, then undeciding.

His entire class in Texas, mostly are involved in college

 His entire class in Missouri, not so good, struggling, failing.

 

 

 

 

Quote From: lettiecs

I am not sure how I feel about "unschooling". We know of only one family who are unschoolers, and those children are not doing too well on any level. The children place no value on commitments or deadlines; However, I don't believe that is indicative of the majority of unschoolers.

 

I am homeschooling my daughter for a number of reasons,but will detail only the major points. She did attend kindergarten in our school district and then we saw the need to do something different.

 

Our daughter was tested at a 2nd grade level when she was admitted to kindergarten. The teachers called me to a conference and said that my daughter actually tapped out the 2nd grade charts, but  legally they could not test her any higher, nor were they allowed to place my daughter in the 3rd grade, which they believed was the level she should be placed at.

 So my child was in kindergarten where she was sent to 1st and 2nd grade classrooms for math, and reading. In doing this, she would miss out on field trips and recess time, which were scheduled for the times she was in the other classrooms.

My daughter felt left out and lonely. She was never with other children as she was getting her teaching from a couple of para educators in the classroom,and not actually mainstreamed.

She began to have severe asthma attacks and would be sent home from school. My daughter missed alot of school due to asthma and the need for a nebulizer machine, which the school could not administer to her.

 

 Currently my daughter is on a 6th grade level, and if she were still in the public school, she would only be in the 3rd grade. This is a very social child. She has taken dance classes, gymnastics and is in taekwondo. She is also involved in a youth group at church.,and there is also a homeschoolinging organization in our area, which organizes sports activities and field trips as well as art and science cooperatives.

Our daughter has many advantages over children who are in public schools. She does her studies in the morning and is usually finished by lunch. Then she helps me with the daycare children, and helps bake and clean, and of course, she gets to spend alot more time playing.  She is getting hands on learning as well as book studies, and will most likely graduate at age 16.

 

The most important change that has taken place, is that my daughter no longer has asthma. She is a socially and emotionally well-adjusted child.

 

Whereas public school is not the right option for my daughter, that doesn't make it wrong for someone else. Each child is an individual with specific needs.

Education is important and the options should be researched and weighed very carefully. Each parent has the responsibility to do what is best her their own children.

 

 

 

 

 

Quote From: rs8180

This is sad but I have also seen moms at the public school come at lunch and bring her young children and take food off of her childs lunch.  They all shared it .  3 children and a mom eating a school lunch.  And this little girl is so smart!  but her parents don't care.

Quote From: laderrick

It's really not surprising that most people today don't understand how anyone can learn what they need to know without schooling. It's also not surprising (to me) that most people don't realize how dangerous and insidious a notion it is that all of us need to be institutionalized in order to be successful, to get along, or whatever. That's one of the lessons schooling teaches best - and more successfully than almost anything else! Fortunately, it's simply not true. People can and do learn what they need to know without schooling. There are many successful, sociable, joyful people who are unschooled. I am the mom of two unschooled teens . We have never done any formal schooling. I didn't sit them down and teach them to read, or to write, or to do basic math, yet they learned, because those things were part of our lives. I didn't prescribe history or science lessons, yet they delved into both with a passion, because they found them interesting. We have played games for hours on end, watched oodles of television and videos, spent much of our time with friends, gone places, done all kinds of things, and just generally created an interesting, fulfilling life for ourselves. Both of them have found ways to make money, and have found mentors in areas where they especially wanted to focus. Best of all, they have enjoyed being free human beings all of their lives. So, for all of you who believe that children should not be allowed to follow their own path, or that the adults in their lives are irresponsible or abusive for choosing to unschool, what would you say to my two happy, healthy, successful unschooled teens? Do you hold it against them that they have been able to do whatever they wanted, and yet turn out just fine?

Quote From: fly1bby

YOu just made my point.

I believe the battle in the mind of the parent is responsible for a great deal of this 'home schooling' that goes on around the country.  What kind of hysteria made that Mother say, 'public schools are death traps'.  Your front yard is a death trap if you want to use the wrong words for everything.  The mark of the uneducated mind.

At best, there are co-op's. 

 I think home schooling occupies the Mommy's time who wonders what she will do when the kids are at school or perhaps doesn't have the initiative to work. 

She thinks she on to some Noble cause.  

Either that or she's  just too lazy to get up and get on with the routine.   We all know that's true.  The Dad, wanting to keep the peace, so he just goes along with it. 

 A prideful, ego trip carries the Mother on her journey  as she proves to the world how much smarter she and her children are going to be.  

I also see fear as a motive for home schooling.  Here in Missouri, the parents are shut out of the public school system.  Unless you completely understand the lingo, are willing to be aggressive with the teachers and above all, know that your little darling is indeed capable of doing just about anything, then the 'them against us' attitude prevails here.  It is a backward culture with strong fundamentalist preaching that's out of balance with life and reality.

 

The ideas about education here are old.  They do breed contempt.

If you take someone who did not necessarily do well in school, has low self-worth, add to that fear and you have a typical home-schooling parent.

Only 25% of the youngsters go on to get a college degree in Missouri; which, is 24th in the Nation and darn proud of it.  Home schoolers are everywhere.  Do they know as much or more as the qualified Instructors in the school?  Don't be ridiculous.

Timid, uneducated parents think they are superior by refusing to allow their children to socialize.

How else can they distinguish themselves?   It's part of the backward thinking that's prevelant.

 

Most children deeply resent staring at their Mother's all day for years on end.

Mother's are supposed to be Mother's.  Period.

We do not  have Ph.D's in Science and English and Math.  Nor are we all well traveled with a complete working knowledge of the events of the day.

The cloistered stifeling environment of home-schooling would have driven me nuts.

I would have hated it and whoever put me through it as a child.

What kind of an ego makes a Mother think she is all people and  life's experiences to her child?

I think the inablity to accept others is at the heart of home schooling. 

I loved my friends, my teachers and the learning experience.

IF there were horrible tramatic issues, as a child, as with all children, I was blissfully unaware of them.

We took our youngest son and moved to Texas while he was in Jr. High.  He did not just survive the Texas school system, he thrived, he went on to become a Scholar and is now a Dean's Scholar at OSU in Stillwater.

The other kids in our neighborhood are following typical Missouri schedules.  Deciding to join the military, then undeciding, deciding to go to college, then undeciding.

His entire class in Texas, mostly are involved in college

 His entire class in Missouri, not so good, struggling, failing.

 

 

 

 

Quote From: amberlyn1

This is interesting, since we are not a democracy - we are a Republic.