Topic : 11/24 Great School Debate

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Parents want the best for their children, but what’s the best way to educate them? Dr. Phil’s guests face off in a debate about whether to school, homeschool or unschool. Dana and her husband, Joe, call themselves radical unschoolers. They say education happens as a side effect of life, and they don’t believe in tests, curriculums or grades. Are their three kids learning what they need to know? Then, RaeAnn says public schools are death traps and wants to homeschool her children. Her husband, Steve, says their kids are safer at school than they are at home. Can this couple reach a compromise? Plus, Nicole feels like an outcast at 26. She says she hated being homeschooled, and couldn’t relate to other kids. Share your thoughts here.

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November 24, 2006, 1:14 pm PST

Proof Children are Learning from Homeschooling

I have no problem with Home Schooling (my daughter is homeschooling her 6 yr old); BUT, TESTS NEED TO BE GIVEN BY EACH STATE YEARLY TO MAKE SURE THE CHILD/CHILDREN ARE REALLY GETTING AN EDUCATION.  And, if they are not up to where children their age should be, the parents should be made to send them to Private or Public Schools.  I know there are people who are home schooling and do not have the ability.  My daughter has all of the tools and the brains to home school; not all people out there have the ability.
 
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November 24, 2006, 1:14 pm PST

11/24 Great School Debate

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I don't much like the idea of home schooling, primarily for civic reasons.  We are one country, ideally.  Plenty of room for improvement, it's true, but at least we should share an education and grow up understanding such things as our own history and the way a democracy runs.  Home schooling takes kids out of that democratic environment where you have to learn to get along with other citizens who may be different from you.

 

But one thing that Dr.Phil said he believes made me laugh.  I don't know if education is a science, but he  is too deferential to teachers as experts who have received a unique training.  I was an ed major in college until I took my first ed course.  What an empty course.  I immediately switched my major to history and at least learned about a real subject.  Ed majors do not get anything from their training but an escape from truly intellectually demanding subjects and a lot of soft facts and theory that changes with the wind.

 

There are a lot of good reasons to send your kids to school, but teacher ed is not one of them.

It's a nice piece of history that when American democracy what at it's most vibrant, most kids got their education at home. I sometimes wonder if an apathetic view of democracy doesn't start in classrooms and school where students are in no way citizens of a democratic system.
 

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November 24, 2006, 1:15 pm PST

Quality Education

I believe that the question of public schools versus home schooling would be a moot question with public schools getting the nod, except for one important factor. The public schools in the U. S., thanks to a combination of the teachers union and the ACLU are getting failing grades when compared to other developed countries. I would suggest that anyone in a position to afford a private school, or home school to do so. Some courts have ruled that a public school must teach the theory of evolution as fact, with out being able to add that there is another theory of divine intervention. Of course this really does not make all that much difference when you consider that a very large number of public school graduates can not read well enough to know the difference.
 
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November 24, 2006, 1:17 pm PST

Not everyone should be home schooled

Some parents do just fine home schooling their children but it is not for eveyone.  Do we want crack mother's home schooling.  These children will be adults with no hope at all.  At least if they go to traditional school they have a small chance to make something of themselves.  The point on the show was that some of the schools are to dangerous for the children.  The schools that are to dangerous are in dangerous neighbhoods and home schooling is not going to make a difference.  There is still going to be drugs, guns and gangs there.
 
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November 24, 2006, 1:17 pm PST

the great debate

I'm a teacher in the public school system and I fully support it!! I also understand that it is not perfect, but nothing is. Teachers under go tons of training in order to be able to teach. We have to have a master's degree in education and are always learning new ways of teaching.

 

 I believe that parents who choose to home school firmly believe that they are doing what is best for their child; however, they are cheating their children out of valuable life lessons. Yes, they will be exposed to bullying, yes they will be exposed to children out back sneaking a smoke, and they will have to learn something they don't have much interest in. They need to know how to react to all of these things and much more. The parent's and teacher's job is to teach them to make good choices when in these positions, but  ultimately it's up to your child to decide. If they aren't making good life choices in high school and middle school where there is still some adult supervision then they will be faced with making these life choices once they are out of the house and on their own.

 

My question to a home schooler or unschooler is - if your child was sick and needed medical care would you self medicate or take them to a trained professional? There are alot of of resources out there to help you choose the best way to treat the problem, but most parents would choose to take their child to a medical professional. Why would your child's education be any different?

 
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November 24, 2006, 1:18 pm PST

YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING!

Dr. Phil,

 

Where did you get these people?

 

I have never met a homeschool family like this before.

DO THEY EXIST?

Apparently, but why choose the exception rather than the rule when discussing this topic???

We have known dozens of homeschoolers and have yet to discover such an odd viewpoint of homeschooling.

Are you going to run into people who had a terrible experience homeschooling?  Sure, but just because someone might get burned on the stove occasionally doesn't mean you stop cooking with one!

UNBELIEVABLE!

Jason G

A homeschool dad in Clarksville, Tennessee

 
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November 24, 2006, 1:21 pm PST

Wow this is pretty vicious

O.K. so we have established the idea that everyone has an opinion.  However, is this opinion based on fact, or just what you believe is fact?  Do you really KNOW what home schooling or “unschooling” is or is it just based on what you have heard it is.  Did you do your research before you closed you mind to “new” or “old” ideas.  In my research I have found that “unschooling” is a way to teach you child vital information in everyday life through a method that does not require them to sit in a desk for 6 hours a day and be bored out of their mind.  Reading and Math are vital skills that can be taught every day in life.  While I do not profess to “unschool” my children, a great example of reading in everyday life is a variation of I spy.  My 3 and 5 year old are waiting in line, or grocery shopping, and we start the game with…. “I spy a letter that is red and makes the BUH sound”.

            We made the decision to home school when we had problem with the administration at our elementary school.  We were told we did not have the right to know what was happening in our child’s classroom.  Yes, this is illegal, and yes we do have a lawyer.  However, I refuse to put my child in an environment that is not conducive to her learning style or that can easily become hostile.  She was beginning to read before she went to school.  She got their, became confused and stopped reading, and was very upset most of the time.  We talked to her about it and let her know we would like to try learning at home.  She was thrilled.  It was like the stress was lifted off her.

            I read a comment about home schooling text books being harder than public school therefore public school refuses to use them.  Let me just interject that curriculum is very much based on what you want to teach your child.  There are many varieties of curriculums just like there are many varieties of learning styles and family structure.  If you choose this route, you must consider you family structure and your child’s learning style.  If you have three children it is very possible to need three different curriculums to help each child reach his fullest potential. 

            I have been through public, private and home schooling.  I was in public through eighth grade, private for 9th and 10th and then home schooled the 11th and finished the 12th the same year.  In public school I excelled until the third grade.  The school system split my class twice in two years. The second time we were given to a teacher who generally taught 6th grade.  She let us play all year.  I remember virtually nothing from this class.  I received D’s and F’s and I was passed.  I tool algebra in 8th grade (public) with a lousy teacher, who refused to answer my questions but I received a B in the class.  I could not tell you how to solve a simple equation. I took it again the 9th grade with a slightly better teacher, because I wanted to know how to solve the problems I was sure I would need for college.  I felt like I was living the same thing over again.  I begged my parents to home school me and I found a curriculum that I thought would work well.  They agreed and we begun.  I finished high school at 17 and went to a junior college.  I transferred to a university and received my BS in Child Development, and I will finish in May with my MS in Early Intervention.

            In closing, you have to look at the family as a whole and the child’s learning style.  There is not a right and wrong way it is just the best way that fits each individual child and family.

 
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November 24, 2006, 1:22 pm PST

11/24 Great School Debate

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I don't much like the idea of home schooling, primarily for civic reasons.  We are one country, ideally.  Plenty of room for improvement, it's true, but at least we should share an education and grow up understanding such things as our own history and the way a democracy runs.  Home schooling takes kids out of that democratic environment where you have to learn to get along with other citizens who may be different from you.

 

But one thing that Dr.Phil said he believes made me laugh.  I don't know if education is a science, but he  is too deferential to teachers as experts who have received a unique training.  I was an ed major in college until I took my first ed course.  What an empty course.  I immediately switched my major to history and at least learned about a real subject.  Ed majors do not get anything from their training but an escape from truly intellectually demanding subjects and a lot of soft facts and theory that changes with the wind.

 

There are a lot of good reasons to send your kids to school, but teacher ed is not one of them.

You must have chosen a poor college or perhaps you didn't get far enough in your training to understand how much you must know as an educator. It is not just standing in front on a classroom pouring out facts in the way that the "theorist of the day" says is best.

 
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November 24, 2006, 1:23 pm PST

What About the Law?

 

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November 24, 2006, 1:23 pm PST

everyone's different

I agree with everyone who has said "one or the other is up to the family's situation".  Please see some views from others!  Those who are so extreme with one side or the other are not being open to the fact that not everyone believes what you believe and we're not bad people because we don't feel the same way.  I'm for public/private school and not homeschool but I don't see homeschool families as being "wrong".  Many friends and family are homeschoolers and I'm glad they are doing what's right for them.  Also, please don't bring up that children in public schools are not Christians.  I was in public school my entire life and I live a Christian life as my husband does as well.  It all starts at home and how much love we show to our kids is the most important!
 

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