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Parents want the best for their children, but what’s the best way to educate them? Dr. Phil’s guests face off in a debate about whether to school, homeschool or unschool. Dana and her husband, Joe, call themselves radical unschoolers. They say education happens as a side effect of life, and they don’t believe in tests, curriculums or grades. Are their three kids learning what they need to know? Then, RaeAnn says public schools are death traps and wants to homeschool her children. Her husband, Steve, says their kids are safer at school than they are at home. Can this couple reach a compromise? Plus, Nicole feels like an outcast at 26. She says she hated being homeschooled, and couldn’t relate to other kids. Share your thoughts here.

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November 24, 2006, 2:03 pm PST

I did home school my 3 children.

I home schooled my 3 children as they entered the 6th,4th,2nd grades. I have several reasons why I did so.First it was a saftey thing,my oldest son was being ganged up on because he was a newer student.My youngest boy was severely picked on due to he was mentaly challenged.Then my daughter was in 6th grade and the school they were in made them take surveys about dating same sex,opposite sex relations.Another reason their were too many kids per class room and all three of my kids were slipping threw the cracks.I home schooled my two oldest children threw 11th grade.All my children were not socialy deprived kids.They were involved with band,choir,sports,plays.They had plenty of friends from both the public schools and the home schooled kids.In our town we had about 30 families that home schooled.I feel with home schooling you give more care and 1-1 help as each child needed.My youngest child I had to put back into public schooling due to his mentally challenging problems.My oldest son is now in community college studying to be a computer programer.My daughter is married has 1 daughter and works along with her husband.My youngest son is in foster care due to his disabilities,and goes to a special school.

 I went to public school my entire childhood.I did not like it,I was shy,over weight,and always picked on.I know for a fact if I had the choice I would have been home schooled.

 
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November 24, 2006, 2:04 pm PST

well, my kids test ABOVE and they homeschool

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I am a public school teacher and have had numerous home-schooled children brought into my classroom when reaching middle school age.  All have been either behind academically or have been severely socially immature. Parents need to consider this before home schooling. In addition, parents that have kept their children in public school need to be aware of the time it takes away from their children when a teacher must play catch-up with home-schooled children.  I can't do everything for everybody.  Yes, I do have different abilities in the classroom and have been educated to reach as many children as possible.  Throwing children into the classroom that have never been in a public school setting is difficult for the atmosphere as a whole.  I would suggest that if home-schooling is not working out for your family, to introduce you child to public school when in elementary grades and not wait until middle school or high school.  I have found that I have seen the best results around 4th or 5th grade, not later.
We homeschool.   One of my daughters is in 8th grade and test post high school in every subject but one on her standardized tests last year and that one subject was math where she tested at grade level.  My other daughter is in 3rd grade and tested 4th to 6th grade level in every subject on her standardized tests last year.

 I don't know where your homeschooled students are coming from... but this is certainly not true across the board.  AND.. consider how many homeschoolers have won the national spelling bee and national geography bee in recent years. 

And how many of those kids in your classes are behind and have been in government school since Kindergarten but passed on from grade to grade with C's and D's instead of being required to master the information?

My children make all A's because they are not allowed to move on to new subject matter until I know they have mastered what they are already working on!  Education is about mastery.. not keeping up with peers or being passed on from one uniformly prescribed grade to another!
 
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November 24, 2006, 2:04 pm PST

Home Schooling

D.R. Phil,

As I'm watching your show I can't help but feel like this whole school thing gets so out of hand. This is what is amazing about our world, about us as people. We make choices that work best for ourselves or our family. Does that mean that some people don't know any better? Are they stupid for wanting to protect their children? Maybe we don't agree with each other, but we have to be open. We can learn so much from others and their experiences and in order to do that we have to talk about, not argue our point. I speak from experience. I have watched my sister home school her 3 children and let me tell you those kids are amazing. They are so smart and very well socialized. I wanted that great foundation for my kids. (I have three myself the oldest are in school) SO I decided that this year I would homeschool my 7 year old. I have since decided that for me, its not going to work. She is very creative in her teaching. I find myself struggling with it. I have trouble drawing a line between mom and teacher and I'm very active so staying home was an issue. So, I tried it and sadly for me I have to give up that position of teacher to someone that is educated in that field. I think if you know what your doing I could be a great foundation for your children to get that one on one, but you also need to know your limitations. After all I think I love my children more than anyone and the desicions I make will be out of love. I want whats best for them! Thank you for letting me share! Kisses Robin your adorable!!!:)

 
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November 24, 2006, 2:05 pm PST

Accountability

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Who pays for the test???

 

If the state is going to require testing then the state should pay for it.

 

Also private schools are exempt from state testing and state requirements, why should homeschools be treated differently then private schools?

Public schools are being asked to show they are providing an education that will prepare their children for the world.  Private schools must prove this also.  If they don't or can't then parents are remiss in sending their children there because they are cheating their children out of an education.  Home school - all schools - need to demonstrate that they are doing the job or they should not be allowed to do it.  Cost is not the issue.  Good education is.
 
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November 24, 2006, 2:06 pm PST

the new generation

I am a second grade teacher in Texas and I really appreciate the support Dr. Phil showed to all of us public school teachers. We have alot and I mean alot of scientifically proven training in order to teach studnets. To be an educator in America today is vastly different from the school marm view of teachers of the past. Our children today are greatly different from the generation before them. I can say this to fact becasue I am 30yrs old and am a generation before them. They are higher order thinkers who are always bombared with more information than they know  how to deal with.  It is my job to teach that child how to disect all information being presented to them. It is also my job to help them use technology in a more productive way. Lets face it our children by the time they reach grade 1 have already been exposed to the internet, Ipod, DVD, and other devices of technolgy. If the homeschool studnet does not have access to this learning method and technologies they will not be able to cope in the new world that our children are going to be leaders and workers in. Another area of concern is the socialization of the homeschooled studnet. In the public school system our students are exposed to cooperative learning methods because in their world they will be working and living in a global economy. This means children will need to learn how to respect and  work with other cultures and races. The public school system has changed and is constantly changing to meet the needs of all generations.
 
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November 24, 2006, 2:06 pm PST

homeschoolers being tested

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Who pays for the test???

 

If the state is going to require testing then the state should pay for it.

 

Also private schools are exempt from state testing and state requirements, why should homeschools be treated differently then private schools?

I am not a home-schooler parent.  But I believe in my county that home-schoolers are tested each 9-weeks to see if they are on the level in which they are to be.  This is done thru our school system; and I am not sure who pays for it - my guess that it is our school system.  Why should they be tested?  When home-schoolers go to college - how are they accredited?  Do they get special allowances from colleges/universities to enter?  I am asking, I don't know,  But I think they need to be tested on a continued basis to have their accreditation for college.
 
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November 24, 2006, 2:06 pm PST

Laws on homeschoolong

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    What are the laws regarding nonschooling children?  There must be laws where these people live that require the children to be in school whether it be traditional school or home school.

The laws vary by state. The state I am in places no restrictions on homeschooling. We are required to take state achievement tests at grades 3 and 8. We are also required to register with the state as a private school.

 

 

 
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November 24, 2006, 2:06 pm PST

Not everyone is that way

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I am a public school teacher and have had numerous home-schooled children brought into my classroom when reaching middle school age.  All have been either behind academically or have been severely socially immature. Parents need to consider this before home schooling. In addition, parents that have kept their children in public school need to be aware of the time it takes away from their children when a teacher must play catch-up with home-schooled children.  I can't do everything for everybody.  Yes, I do have different abilities in the classroom and have been educated to reach as many children as possible.  Throwing children into the classroom that have never been in a public school setting is difficult for the atmosphere as a whole.  I would suggest that if home-schooling is not working out for your family, to introduce you child to public school when in elementary grades and not wait until middle school or high school.  I have found that I have seen the best results around 4th or 5th grade, not later.
While I can appreciate the position you're put in, I want to say not all kids who are homeschooled are in the same situation as the ones you have encountered.  My younger brother (who is almost 21 and in a private college now)  was so far ahead of any of the kids in regular school he would've been bored.  In fact, it was his pre-school teacher who recommended my mother homeschool him.  He elected to stay in homeschool throughout his high school career, then go to a regular college.  He's doing VERY well, and I can't see that he's been lacking in anything---social skills, academic skills, any kind of those skills.   In my part of the country there's a lot of things available for homeschooling parents--groups, classes, things like that, so they get social experiences, great academic opportunities and all kinds of things.  I don't know what it's like everywhere else, but that's what is like where I am.
 
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November 24, 2006, 2:09 pm PST

Great School Debate

Dr. Phil,

 

I have been a teacher for twenty-two years now.  I have taught in private Christian Baptist schools, in homeschooling one of my children, in private/public school and in just public schools   Every circumstance, every school, every situation has its positives and negatives.  I have seen all of these schools fail students and all of these schools be a positive influence in these students' lives.  Every instance, every cirmcumstance, every school setting makes or breaks the students. 

 

Over the past few years, I have enen seen the public school fail students.  I have seen private school fail students and I have seen homeschooling fail children.   But, homeschooling for my daughter was the best thing I could have done for her in her situation.  Some people feel very strongly for home schooling, but this no-school concept cannot be good for a child to be very successful in his/her life when out of school (that I can see)  I realize it would make them street samrt, but what about success in the world of finance or business?  We learn our choices as we grwo, as you said on your show.  We MUST do everything possible in our lives as parents to help our children succeed.  This is not a nice world we live in.   The world IS cruel and does not accept those who don't finish top of their class usually.cannot succeed.  Not to degrade housewives in any sense of the imagination, but if the woman raising her daughter wants her to do that for her life, that's is fine.  She just will not be accepted well in a world where we put so much ephasis on our education and educated men and women.

Brady Kunz

 
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November 24, 2006, 2:11 pm PST

11/24 Great School Debate

  I am a 9th grade student and I don't believe in homeschooling or unschooling. As a student in a public school I think that being homeschooled would take away all the experiences that kids get to have in a public school like going to homecoming or prom or having a crush on a boy in your spanish class. I agree I don't always like school but I wouldn't want to be home with my parents ALL DAY LONG. Homeschooled kids won't be able to enjoy being a senior and having senioritis or that graduation day that all kids can't wait for. The church I attend is a major homeschool supporter and I understand that schools are trying to take God out of school and thats mainly why my church homeschools. When those kids get older they won't know how to handle people that are opposed to God. I also don't understand how almost just anyone can teach their kids. For example, my aunt homeschools her kids and she has up to a seventh grade education and she does not have her GED. I don't understand how that is legal. In a public school parents get fined if their kids stay home from school one to many days and yet unschoolers just allow their kids home all the time. Also in this day and age in order to even get a job you need a highschool education or your GED. Those kids who arent even schooled most likely won't get a job. Also more and more places require some kind of college degree. Some of these parents are just ignorant because what kid is actually going to CHOOSE on their own to go to school? Not many. Plus kids' brains are not even done developing so how are they going to choose wether or not they want to go to school. 

 
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