Topic : 11/24 Great School Debate

It's NOT necessary. Women are perfectly capable of holding doors open for themselves. I have a vagina yes, but it's not so burdensome that I need a TODDLER opening the door for me.

This is not real "respect"...this is fakey fake stuff that people pretend is respect. You are sending your son subliminal messages that women are weak and needy and so helpless that they needs a male..of any age....to open doors for them.

First off, you apparently missed my point.  The fact that my son was trying to console and comfort another classmate is not ostrasizing her. He was shocked at the word dead just as another is shocked at the f--- word.    I believe, as I told my son, that if you feel the need to try and help you should.  That those who just sit back and are too scared or too self absorbed to put out for others are not really happy people and we pray for them.  Yes, losing anyone is difficult and to further that by using words that I feel are harsh when my son is still young is not going to nurture his spirit and help him to accept this inevitable fact of life.  Funny, for someone who who seems in favor of HS/US and not  exposing children to negative things this comes as a shock to me.  Again, the fact remains that he knows the word dead and will use it  (in reference to certain things but not people) but the fact the girl was already upset he decided to try and help.  My point was that even though he is a PS child he is compassionate and loving- unlike the experiences some on this board have protrayed.  Looks like someone missed the forest by looking at the leaves.  By the way, my son was there (in the hospital) when we lost his Great Grandma (our Grandma) so he, too, has experienced loss.  He saw his Dad and I fall to our knees in despair and prayed with us- very moving and powerful.  Things like this remind him and he remembers that day well and yet he manages through his pain to reach out to someone else.  Very admirable, in any situation, any time, any day, anywhere. 

I'm a woman and I hold the door open for everyone, including men.  Kind of freaks out the Southern gents, though, but here in the North, it's more polite than letting the door slam in his face. ;)

 

My kids learn by example to hold the door open for everyone, too, because it's the nice, polite thing to do.

 

I would also hold the door open for a three year old, but wouldn't expect him or her to open it (or hold it open) for me, because it's easier for me.  But I would appreciate it and thank him or her with a smile. :)

Again, I have to comment.  First, you don't use public school so how do you know what really goes on?  My son's school one of the first things they learn in K (posted all over each year, every class) is to "Respect rights rights and property of others" among other things.  I will refer you to my post titled "A Christian PS experience" and then you can tell me what you'd like.  My sons both do what yours do and both go to public school.  Yes, at their school they learn respect in many forms- even talking is considered dis-respect of someone else's right to learn.  Please do not judge all schools by the one or two you have seen.  I agree, however, that value, morals and things of the like are learrned at HOME- not in school.  It's nice that we live in an area that totally coincides with our beliefs- makes it easier.  Also, to end, very few on this board respect the public school teachers and what they do- why should your kids be any different?  Kids practice what they see- you proved it. 

Yes, but a THREE year old is weaker than a grown woman. And a grown women aren't inherently weaker than a grown man. And the average difference in strength between a man and a woman is negligible when it comes to the power it takes to open a door.

Oh...maybe it's a Southern thing then. If a guy holds the door open for me for no reason I consider it weird, I say thank you because I'm not a jerk...lol...but it's weird none the less.

Geeze...I butchered that sentence...LOL

"And grown women aren't inherently weaker than grown men."
 

Being a native Yankee but living for years below the Mason-Dixon line, I've found that the door-opening thing seems to be the norm in the South.  Whether it's a hold-over from days-gone-by or more common because it's in the Bible Belt I'm not sure.

 

I appreciate it when men (or anyone) holds the door open for me.  But I don't expect it (especially the car door thing!)

 

 We home schooled our kids until one entered community college at 16 and the other one until 9th grade.  She also went to community college at 16.  They had plenty of friends and social activities and are not social misfits in any way.  One has been traveling the world, and supporting himself, since he was 17.  He speaks 3 languages.   (I speak one!)  I usually agree with Dr. Phil  but he really missed the mark on this one.  Teachers learn how to teach and many of them are not even teaching the subjects they were trained to teach.   Many teachers are learning the subject just before they teach it, just as the concerned father said his wife would have to do.  When you are teaching a few children instead of a whole classroom full, it is much easier to know what they understand and don't, want they need to learn, and to capitalize on their interests to get subjects across.  I taught my children to eat, to walk, to talk, and to read and count.  Why couldn't I also teach them math, science, art and job skills?  We started when homeschooling was very rare and unknown and there were still plenty of support groups  then.  There are way more support systems now.  We homeschooling moms created other opportunities when we needed lots of kids for things like drama or sports or science experiments.  The young woman who said she missed out on so much was silly.  Lots of us went to public school all of our lives and didn't go to proms or become cheerleaders and we still fit in society as adults!  I also know home schoolers who do go to proms and other school events.  I am sorry her parents did not do a better job of socializing her.  There are plenty of home schoolers who don't do a good job, and many different ways to do it, but we know LOTS of very successful people who were home schooled.  There are also lots of public school teachers who do a good job and many who don't.  Each child is different and different forms of educating them should be explored. We home schooled our two children for two very different reasons.  Not every state has the choices that the California educator talked about.  There are only charter schools in a few states ,so far, and home school laws vary considerably from state to state.  I encourage parents to trust themselves, their instincts, and their intelligence to know if homeschooling is right for them or not.  It is definitely a big commitment!

Yes, I am the same way, I don't expect it, nor am I mad if I don't have the door opened for me. But if someone does I am kind, as they have done something kind to me.

Holding a door open IMO just requires common sense. Is the person disabled in someway? Are the pregnant? Old? Do they have many little kids with them? Are they carrying something? Are they near enough so that if I don't hold it open as I go through it will slam on them?

Someones genitals isn't enough of a reason IMO to open a door. LOL