Topic : 11/27 The Dr. Phil House: Heroin Twins, The Intervention, Part 2

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Dr. Phil continues his work with twin sisters who are addicted to heroin and spiraling out of control. The Dr. Phil House has become the detox center for Sarah, who is monitored medically as she goes through painful withdrawal symptoms from her addiction to crack cocaine and heroin. Her sister, Tecoa, has only been clean for two weeks, and struggles to deal with her own drug cravings while six months pregnant and providing support for her detoxing sibling. Is she able to fight off the cravings or does she give in? And, is Tecoa sabotaging Dr. Phil’s efforts to get Sarah clean? While her daughters deal with their addictions, Cindy tries to learn the fine line between supporting and enabling. Dr. Phil meets with the entire family and shows the twins a look into their future, depending on the decisions they make now. Is it enough to scare them straight? Share your thoughts here.

Please note: The on-the-street footage in this series was filmed by a concerned outside party and sent to the Dr. Phil show.  Upon receipt of this compelling video, the Dr. Phil show began immediate efforts to plan and arrange necessary interventions and inspire these young adults to get out of harm’s way.

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November 27, 2006, 2:57 pm PST

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   I cannot explain to you how heartwrenching it was to watch these girls.  However, I was furious with the self-centeredness of Tacoa. We have been fostering drug babies for 8 years.  Three years ago we adopted a baby boy whose mother chose to do cocaine, heroine and drink throughout her pregnancy seeking absolutely no prenatal care.  Our baby was born at 27 weeks and spent 4 months in the hospital.  We took him home from the hospital and spent the first 2 years of his life dealing with breathing issues, feeding issues, physical therapy etc.  He's since been diagnosed with fetal alcohol syndrome.  I can't explain the daily battles we face because his mom chose her drinking and drugs over her baby.  While I hope these girls get their act together I can't help but feel anyone who abuses her child , even before birth, should face legal ramifications!
 
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November 27, 2006, 2:57 pm PST

I disagree!

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dude perfectly stated!! you said exactly what I was trying to say. i've never been to this site either, but i signed up and logged in and filled out all of the blanks.....anyway, perfectly stated. i did not say it any better myself. that doctor is ridiculous. the fact that the girl is willing to lay there and not go get high is testament enough of her commitment. once they finally give her the buprenorphine and stop teasing her with it, she will be better. it's cruel. 

I think what the Doctor was doing is telling her to fight back to what the withdrawing was doing to her. She needs to grow strong; not wanting to go through this again is what she needs to be saying to herself. No one can do that for her. Not hiding under the covers but dealing with the pain is going to make her not want this again.  Both of those girls are beautiful people, they need to find that out with help.

 
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November 27, 2006, 3:00 pm PST

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 There are some people who just plain give up and Sarah reminds me of that. I don't hold out much hope for her either. I think she's still in big time denial and doesn't believe that her fate is sealed if she doesn't put up a much bigger fight. I don't think its a matter of 'blame' at this point either. It has its own momentum and its not about to slow down by blaming anyone. I think all the energy should be focused on convincing this girl to WANT to live, which  I think the doctors were trying to achieve.  It doesn't look good so far.
 
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November 27, 2006, 3:04 pm PST

Herion Withdrawal Can Be FATAL!

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dude perfectly stated!! you said exactly what I was trying to say. i've never been to this site either, but i signed up and logged in and filled out all of the blanks.....anyway, perfectly stated. i did not say it any better myself. that doctor is ridiculous. the fact that the girl is willing to lay there and not go get high is testament enough of her commitment. once they finally give her the buprenorphine and stop teasing her with it, she will be better. it's cruel. 

Let the poor girl go through her withdrawals in bed!  Her body is going through enough...I don't think that that Doctor has gone through any kind of withdrawals before... Sarah needs to let her body recover through the withdrawals...

As one who has been there, believe me, you are too involved in puking, and diarhea to,  as Dr Phil said ..." Stand on your head in the corner, if we tell you to." I don't think he gets just how serious heroin withdrawal is...  People have & can & will die from it... Your joints hurt, your bones ache as the drugs leach from them. Your heart palpitates erratically. You sweat, and are so weak it seems impossible to walk.... I certainly don't understand how she ate. I didn't for the first 3 or 4 days.

I also have never been on this site before...But the way Sarah was treated has made me cranky... She has to go THROUGH this... On the other side, lets work on her emotional problems...

Dr Phil...PLEASE let Sarah completely withdraw and de-tox before you force her into an ultimatum....It is the hardest thing she'll ever do...Give her half a chance... I did it all alone, I'm sure she can do it with all of the help....

 
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November 27, 2006, 3:06 pm PST

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I have never posted on a message board before, but after today's episode, my conscience wouldn't rest until I did.  

 

I am concerned that pushing Tecoa and Sarah so hard will sabatoge their recoveries.  I am a heroin addict who has been clean & sober for more than 5 years now.  I will never go back. It is not an option. I was 24 when I got clean, so I can really identify with the two girls.

 

If I had been pushed that hard during withdrawal, I would have used again or committed suicide.  Suicide is pretty common among recovering heroin addicts, so it is especially important that things be done right.  Thank God I wasn't in the Dr. Phil house because I'd probably be dead now.  This is the first time I haven't agreed with nearly everything Dr. Phil said.

 

I was extremely fortunate to have a family that understood that I needed to sleep for about 6 months.  I did things at my own pace, which was extremely slow.  But doing things that way lead to a recovery that has lasted.

 

It was extremely difficult for my parents watching me lie on the couch with my back to them all the time.  And, I really felt for the mother who wanted reassurance from Tecoa.  But she is the one who needs the reassurance now.  To say Tecoa isn't serious is absurd.  For a heroin addict to not be using heroin is proof that she is serious.  Unless you have been there, you cannot understand how hard it is to stay where you are and not use.  It is a fight, lying there.  It takes everything you've got.

 

There is only ONE way for Tecoa to meet these impossible demands right now.  That is to put heroin back in her body so she can function.   This is how an addict thinks.  The only times when my recovery has been in peril have been when people have expected me to do things I just don't have the energy to do.  Cravings start. Temptations come. 

 

Showing Tecoa and Sarah that they are doing good work by being on the show and not using would be so much more effective than undermining the work they are doing.

 

Sarah said the right things to Tecoa on today's show.  What she said was true, and Tecoa needed to hear that she was okay where she was.   She needed to hear that she was doing a good job, that just because she didn't jump up out of bed like a new woman all of the sudden, didn't mean she was a failure.  Sarah was not enabling her sister- She was protecting her.

 

Recovery is possible, even from heroin and crack.  But addicts need support.  They need a positive environment and they need as little stress as possible until their brains return to normal.  And, as soon as possible, they need to learn how to deal with life's stresses in healthy ways.  Some of us need psychiatric care.  Almost all of us need therapy.  But withdrawal isn't the time for all of that.

 

Is that hard for the family?  YES.  Is it unfair for their mother?  ABSOLUTELY!  But having a family that gave me the room I needed to grow saved my life.  I am so grateful for them and everything they have done.  And, I am sorry for worrying them and putting them through so much grief.  I feel these things now.  But in withdrawal, generally, it isn't in you to apologize or give reassurance. You are blessed if you have it in you to fight.  It is awful for the family. I highly recommend support groups for family members and friends.  But for the addict, you have to be patient and let her become the person you knew before.  Pressure will only lead to bad things.

 

If anyone out there has friends or family going through withdrawal, please be more supportive than this show is telling you to be.  It can be a matter of life or death.

 

Thanks for reading this and hopefully considering it.  My heart and prayers are with this family and all others in recovery.

 

 

 

 
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November 27, 2006, 3:11 pm PST

sorry to hear

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I am going to be 50 next month and have been a heroin/narcotic addict since I was 13 years old.  That's 37 years of addiction and kicking.  This twin who is moaning about being in withdrawal and all her symptoms is quite the baby!

 

I don't mean to sound unsympathetic, but -- F

 

irst of all, when you are sick you can't get a breath.  It feels like an elephant is on your chest.  She is breathing and talking well enough to complain constantly.

 

Second, she is eating!!!!  No one, and believe me I have suffered withdrawals with many, many people, and not one of them can eat a bowl of cereal!  She has the energy to eat, she isn't that bad.

 

She has clothing on.  When in bad withdrawal you cannot stand to have ANYTHING touching your skin.  If you're cold, you put a sheet and blanket on, then 5 seconds later you're burning up and kicking out of clothing.

 

If she were as sick as she is complaining she is - she wouldn't be acting the way she is.  Make the darn doctor.  If he isn't giving you what you need you don't throw fits and beg, you go elsewhere, find another doctor, MAKE THEM LISTEN.

 

Withdrawal is horrendous.  No one would want to deal with the pain of it.  These people have no idea, until they have kicked, the pain of it.  I love how everyone is telling her to get up and move.  Try it some time. 

 

Even the minor sickness she is apparently suffering from would make regular people not want to move -- but then you can't be still either. 

 

The moaning and complaining and anger is normal.  In addition to withdrawal, there are years of emotional baggage that has been kept numb, and is now all oozing out at once. 

 

Why not help her properly? 

 

There are too many obvious tells that this girl is not as sick as some people out here who need help!  Why isn't your show taking in people who are so sick they can't function rather than this girl who is obviously a light weight!

 

I chickened out and went the methadone route, which kept me from having to kick again.  I tried "cold turkey" too many times, unsuccessfully.  I can now work, attend school and do all the other things people who aren't addicted do.  I function, I excel in school and at work -- all thanks to methadone treatment.  Sure, I've transferred my addiction, but at least I'm functioning now.  After 30+ years living outside the law, that is way great.

 

Why not do a show about how methadone clinics help?  That would be a true help to people out in the real world.  Maybe it would shut down some of the discrimination people feel about us.

 

Next time, please pick someone who is REALLY sick with withdrawal - and someone who really really wants to improve.

I pray for you, and wish that there had been someone for you to tell you to deal with the pain, and get out from under the covers, because you might be totally clean to day.  And wouldn't have to deal with all the times of trying to kick it.

 
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November 27, 2006, 3:13 pm PST

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 I'm talking about this doctor who wants to help the sister who is in bed with withdrawls.  You cannot  make this girl "feel better" by trying to make her get up and move and force her to make herself happy.  She is not ready for that.  She has to get through the withdrawls first.  The doctor is saying she just wants to sleep and get through it and he wants her to get up and get moving.  He was pushing her way too hard.  If you've never been through a detox you have no idea what's she's going through.  There's nothing she can do at that point that will do anything to help except wait out the withdrawls.  Trust me I've been through it a number of times.  The thing is, she is not herself at that point.  I get the feeling the doctore just wanted to make a "good impression" and show that he is capable but he is totally lacking empathy.  There is nothing you can do to help her except maybe give her some type of medication to ease the withdrawls.  To say that she's not sincere about wanting to quit because she won't get up and get active is absolutely absurd.......she can't pull herself up by the bootstraps at this point.  Well, I'm gonna keep watching to see what happens but I've never even been to this site but I thought it so important to say this, I had to find this site and this message board just to say this.   I like Dr. Phil but that is not cool at all.
 Oh yes I totally agree with you! I was so upset by this, I wrote a letter to the show, something I have never done before. My husband and I are both clean now (heroin) and been through many different re-habs and we have never seen some one being pestered like this before while detoxing. Treatment at this point was aimed at keeping the patient as comfortable as possible untill the symptoms of withdrawl were reduced, then treatment began. Yes, it is totally absurd and makes me question the motives here. Lives are at stake. I am glad someone else see's this.
 
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November 27, 2006, 3:18 pm PST

I feel their pain!

I feel so bad for these girls!  Yes they are drug addicts, yes they probably should have never gotten caught up with drugs in the first place and maybe in a perfect world that would be the case.  Well here they are full blown herion addicts that need help...I commend Dr. Phil for stepping up and helping these girls. There are a few things however that I don't understand.

 

Let me first say that I myself am a recovering addicts.  Not to herion, but to it's cousin Oxycontin.  I was lucky enough to not get to the point of doing Herion.  BUT don't be fooled...Oxycontin is JUST as bad!!!  An opiate is an opiate is an opiate!  I was taking close to 300mgs of Oxycontin a day!  I did this for almost 2 years.  I was prescribed them for Degenerative Disk Disease and bulging disks in my C5-C7 vertebrea.  Opiates are EVIL....they are THE hardest drug to come off of.   You truly feel like you want to DIE.  You sweat, you tremble, you have diarreha, your eyes water, you have the chills and the list goes on.  Imagine having the flu times 100!!!  I myself could not make it through the withdrawl from opiates on my own.  I always wound up going back to them simply so I wouldn't have feel the way I mentioned above.  After a while it was like I wasn't even taking the drugs to get high, but simply to just feel human!!!!  I would take them just so I could get out of bed in the morning and go to work and function like a normal human being. 

 

I glad to say that I've been clean now for over 7 months.  I went into detox in April of this year and when I got out I went onto a drug called Subutex... more commonly called Bupenorphine.  That is the drug the doctor said he was going to give Sara, but wouldn't give it to her.  I understand that you can't take Suboxone right away after using Herion because it has Naltroxon in it and will  throw you into withdrawl.  BUT they can give her Subutex which is just straight Bupenorpine without the naltraxone.  I just don't believe in making someone suffer!  They want her to cooperate and talk and stuff but BELIEVE me when I tell you that you can't do ANYTHING when your withdrawling!!!! She really isn't being a baby and making it up when she says she doesn't feel good.....I can't vouche for her in that respect!!!!  

 

I wish these girls the best of luck and hope they can get their addiction under control.  I will pray for them and keep them in my thoughts!  I hope for the sake of her baby that Tacoa will continue to do well and will no longer use for the rest of her pregnancy.

 

 

 
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November 27, 2006, 3:18 pm PST

i did it and so can the twins

i am 42 years old  and am a recovered drug addict.  I was addicted to crack cocaine and heroin also many pills. I lived on the streets for years at a time. i did everything that you can amagine to support my habit...i have lived the twins life many times over i have lost my kids over drugs been married many times and finally i have my life back its never too late i have been clean for 5 years now and i am married and there is no way i would ever go back to drugs....my husband and i met because of drugs we were both addicted and we both decided to get clean and we have done it. It has been a long road but i spent 25 years doing drugs and this last 5 clean years have been the best of my life.  i wish i could tell the girls i have been there done that and you can recover but you have to want it. i saw myself in those girls and i feel like i know them i guess because i was them. and but by the grace of GOD i could be them again.  i dont know if they really want it enough yet, have they hit there bottom? i guess only time will tell......please let them read this and if they ever need someone to talk to i would be happy to be that person.
 
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November 27, 2006, 3:39 pm PST

Prison is not the answer

 My Brother lived his life in prison. He was killed in Folsom. But he told me, he could stay high on heroin 29 out of 30 days a month in every prison he was ever in...

 Dr. Phil...Good Luck and Bless you    

                                                  Mark

 

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