Topic : 11/27 The Dr. Phil House: Heroin Twins, The Intervention, Part 2

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Dr. Phil continues his work with twin sisters who are addicted to heroin and spiraling out of control. The Dr. Phil House has become the detox center for Sarah, who is monitored medically as she goes through painful withdrawal symptoms from her addiction to crack cocaine and heroin. Her sister, Tecoa, has only been clean for two weeks, and struggles to deal with her own drug cravings while six months pregnant and providing support for her detoxing sibling. Is she able to fight off the cravings or does she give in? And, is Tecoa sabotaging Dr. Phil’s efforts to get Sarah clean? While her daughters deal with their addictions, Cindy tries to learn the fine line between supporting and enabling. Dr. Phil meets with the entire family and shows the twins a look into their future, depending on the decisions they make now. Is it enough to scare them straight? Share your thoughts here.

Please note: The on-the-street footage in this series was filmed by a concerned outside party and sent to the Dr. Phil show.  Upon receipt of this compelling video, the Dr. Phil show began immediate efforts to plan and arrange necessary interventions and inspire these young adults to get out of harm’s way.

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November 27, 2006, 3:40 pm PST

11/27 The Dr. Phil House: Heroin Twins, The Intervention, Part 2

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I have never posted on a message board before, but after today's episode, my conscience wouldn't rest until I did.  

 

I am concerned that pushing Tecoa and Sarah so hard will sabatoge their recoveries.  I am a heroin addict who has been clean & sober for more than 5 years now.  I will never go back. It is not an option. I was 24 when I got clean, so I can really identify with the two girls.

 

If I had been pushed that hard during withdrawal, I would have used again or committed suicide.  Suicide is pretty common among recovering heroin addicts, so it is especially important that things be done right.  Thank God I wasn't in the Dr. Phil house because I'd probably be dead now.  This is the first time I haven't agreed with nearly everything Dr. Phil said.

 

I was extremely fortunate to have a family that understood that I needed to sleep for about 6 months.  I did things at my own pace, which was extremely slow.  But doing things that way lead to a recovery that has lasted.

 

It was extremely difficult for my parents watching me lie on the couch with my back to them all the time.  And, I really felt for the mother who wanted reassurance from Tecoa.  But she is the one who needs the reassurance now.  To say Tecoa isn't serious is absurd.  For a heroin addict to not be using heroin is proof that she is serious.  Unless you have been there, you cannot understand how hard it is to stay where you are and not use.  It is a fight, lying there.  It takes everything you've got.

 

There is only ONE way for Tecoa to meet these impossible demands right now.  That is to put heroin back in her body so she can function.   This is how an addict thinks.  The only times when my recovery has been in peril have been when people have expected me to do things I just don't have the energy to do.  Cravings start. Temptations come. 

 

Showing Tecoa and Sarah that they are doing good work by being on the show and not using would be so much more effective than undermining the work they are doing.

 

Sarah said the right things to Tecoa on today's show.  What she said was true, and Tecoa needed to hear that she was okay where she was.   She needed to hear that she was doing a good job, that just because she didn't jump up out of bed like a new woman all of the sudden, didn't mean she was a failure.  Sarah was not enabling her sister- She was protecting her.

 

Recovery is possible, even from heroin and crack.  But addicts need support.  They need a positive environment and they need as little stress as possible until their brains return to normal.  And, as soon as possible, they need to learn how to deal with life's stresses in healthy ways.  Some of us need psychiatric care.  Almost all of us need therapy.  But withdrawal isn't the time for all of that.

 

Is that hard for the family?  YES.  Is it unfair for their mother?  ABSOLUTELY!  But having a family that gave me the room I needed to grow saved my life.  I am so grateful for them and everything they have done.  And, I am sorry for worrying them and putting them through so much grief.  I feel these things now.  But in withdrawal, generally, it isn't in you to apologize or give reassurance. You are blessed if you have it in you to fight.  It is awful for the family. I highly recommend support groups for family members and friends.  But for the addict, you have to be patient and let her become the person you knew before.  Pressure will only lead to bad things.

 

If anyone out there has friends or family going through withdrawal, please be more supportive than this show is telling you to be.  It can be a matter of life or death.

 

Thanks for reading this and hopefully considering it.  My heart and prayers are with this family and all others in recovery.

 

 

 

 I AGREE THIS WIthrawl process is awful, I have gone through withdrawl from cocaine 25 years ago  clean and opiates a few years ago and this doctor made my skin crawl. I felt angry and stressed as though I were going through it, this guy is going to drive her crazy, you do not pick someone crazy when going through the sickness, try waiting a few days these guys would make me want to leave and DO drugs. You cannot BULLY someone clean DOCTOR PHIL. she is helping herself she is there. I am a counsellor who has helped many teens do this and your off base. If she fails it will be your pushing to hard this physcholigist is way out there..and annoying
 
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November 27, 2006, 3:50 pm PST

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I have never posted on a message board before, but after today's episode, my conscience wouldn't rest until I did.  

 

I am concerned that pushing Tecoa and Sarah so hard will sabatoge their recoveries.  I am a heroin addict who has been clean & sober for more than 5 years now.  I will never go back. It is not an option. I was 24 when I got clean, so I can really identify with the two girls.

 

If I had been pushed that hard during withdrawal, I would have used again or committed suicide.  Suicide is pretty common among recovering heroin addicts, so it is especially important that things be done right.  Thank God I wasn't in the Dr. Phil house because I'd probably be dead now.  This is the first time I haven't agreed with nearly everything Dr. Phil said.

 

I was extremely fortunate to have a family that understood that I needed to sleep for about 6 months.  I did things at my own pace, which was extremely slow.  But doing things that way lead to a recovery that has lasted.

 

It was extremely difficult for my parents watching me lie on the couch with my back to them all the time.  And, I really felt for the mother who wanted reassurance from Tecoa.  But she is the one who needs the reassurance now.  To say Tecoa isn't serious is absurd.  For a heroin addict to not be using heroin is proof that she is serious.  Unless you have been there, you cannot understand how hard it is to stay where you are and not use.  It is a fight, lying there.  It takes everything you've got.

 

There is only ONE way for Tecoa to meet these impossible demands right now.  That is to put heroin back in her body so she can function.   This is how an addict thinks.  The only times when my recovery has been in peril have been when people have expected me to do things I just don't have the energy to do.  Cravings start. Temptations come. 

 

Showing Tecoa and Sarah that they are doing good work by being on the show and not using would be so much more effective than undermining the work they are doing.

 

Sarah said the right things to Tecoa on today's show.  What she said was true, and Tecoa needed to hear that she was okay where she was.   She needed to hear that she was doing a good job, that just because she didn't jump up out of bed like a new woman all of the sudden, didn't mean she was a failure.  Sarah was not enabling her sister- She was protecting her.

 

Recovery is possible, even from heroin and crack.  But addicts need support.  They need a positive environment and they need as little stress as possible until their brains return to normal.  And, as soon as possible, they need to learn how to deal with life's stresses in healthy ways.  Some of us need psychiatric care.  Almost all of us need therapy.  But withdrawal isn't the time for all of that.

 

Is that hard for the family?  YES.  Is it unfair for their mother?  ABSOLUTELY!  But having a family that gave me the room I needed to grow saved my life.  I am so grateful for them and everything they have done.  And, I am sorry for worrying them and putting them through so much grief.  I feel these things now.  But in withdrawal, generally, it isn't in you to apologize or give reassurance. You are blessed if you have it in you to fight.  It is awful for the family. I highly recommend support groups for family members and friends.  But for the addict, you have to be patient and let her become the person you knew before.  Pressure will only lead to bad things.

 

If anyone out there has friends or family going through withdrawal, please be more supportive than this show is telling you to be.  It can be a matter of life or death.

 

Thanks for reading this and hopefully considering it.  My heart and prayers are with this family and all others in recovery.

 

 

 

Hello... while I can totally appreciate your journey, please remember that all people are different. I too was a herion addict more than 30 years ago and if I had had someone to care enough to kick my butt, I would have truly appreciated it. Yes, it is the last thing you think you want or need, but hind sight tells me differently. I was lucky enough to be able to leave the country at the time, remove myself from everything and everyone, and all I had left was myself and God, who I knew nothing about at the time. Please make allowances for for differences because every person has their own and they can not all be like yours.
 
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November 27, 2006, 3:51 pm PST

Withdrawls take time

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Let the poor girl go through her withdrawals in bed!  Her body is going through enough...I don't think that that Doctor has gone through any kind of withdrawals before... Sarah needs to let her body recover through the withdrawals...

As one who has been there, believe me, you are too involved in puking, and diarhea to,  as Dr Phil said ..." Stand on your head in the corner, if we tell you to." I don't think he gets just how serious heroin withdrawal is...  People have & can & will die from it... Your joints hurt, your bones ache as the drugs leach from them. Your heart palpitates erratically. You sweat, and are so weak it seems impossible to walk.... I certainly don't understand how she ate. I didn't for the first 3 or 4 days.

I also have never been on this site before...But the way Sarah was treated has made me cranky... She has to go THROUGH this... On the other side, lets work on her emotional problems...

Dr Phil...PLEASE let Sarah completely withdraw and de-tox before you force her into an ultimatum....It is the hardest thing she'll ever do...Give her half a chance... I did it all alone, I'm sure she can do it with all of the help....

 They are treating heroin addiction the same as a crack addiction and there is a world of difference.  As a doctor they should realoze her body has become dependent on the opiates.  It's not that she doesn't want to do this and get clean......but right now it's not feasible for her to do much more than survive.  She's in a safe place.  She has food and shelter.  They need to be happy with that and not try to change her whole life in two or three days.  This girl is going through something that can be compared to having all the blood drained out of your body.  Her body is being deprived the opiates it has been receiving for an extended period of time.  These doctors need to quit pushing and giving ultimatums and threats.  What she needs is understanding, empathy, love.  After the withdrawls will be the time for "teaching" and her making the commitments to start a new life. 
 
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November 27, 2006, 3:54 pm PST

One who has seen through their eyes

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I pray for you, and wish that there had been someone for you to tell you to deal with the pain, and get out from under the covers, because you might be totally clean to day.  And wouldn't have to deal with all the times of trying to kick it.

     I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO RESPOND TO YOUR MESSAGE FOR A WHILE, NOW HERE I AM FINNALY; I AM28 AND I HAVE BEEN ON METHADONE FOR ALMOST 10 YEARS. I USED HEROIN FOR 3 MONTHS(AT 17 ) AND THE DOCTOR PUT ME ON BECAUSE MY BOYFREIND WAS ON IT. AFTER MOVING CITIES MY NEW DOCTORS REALIZED THIS HORRIBLE MISTAKE AND TRIED TO HELP ERASE IT, BY THIS TIME I HAS ACHEIVED A REAL ADDICTION FAR GREATER THAT HEROIN AND WAS ABOUT TO BE PREGNANT.  WHEN BECOMING PREGNANT THEY SAID THAT DETOX WOULD CAUSE MISSCARAGE AND JUST KEPT ME REGULATED AND CARED FOR. IT WAS HUMILIATING. I HADNT TOUCHED DRUGS IN 4 YEARS AND FELT LIKE ABAD MOTHER. MY DAGHTER WAS BORN HEALTHY AND I BEGAN TO CME DOWN. SUDDENLY MY MOTABLOISM ESCALATED AND I BECAME SO PHYSICALLY DEPENDENT.  EVEN WITHOUT LOWERING MY DOSE I WAS IN WITHDRAWL. MY LIFE WAS FOCCUSED ON BEING THE BEST MOM IGNORING MY PAIN AND NO ENERGY.  OVER THE YEARS I TRIED SO MANY OPTIONS TO HELP SLOWLY WITHDRAWING WHILE FOCUSSING ON MY LIFE AND FAMILY.  LITTLE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS AND I JUST REMAINED A WOMAN FIGHTING TO BE A GREAT MOM WITH NO CHANGE AND LITTLE MEMORY OF FEELING GOOD(NOT HIGH BUT WELL).  HERE I AM NOW WITH EVERYTHING AND I STILL FEEL DESPERATE AND TERRRIFIED OF COLD TURKEY DTOX(10 YEARS OF METH IS FAR WORSE THAN HEROIN) I WANT MY LIFE ENERGY AND YOUTH BACK BEFORE MY YOUTH IS GONE.  I AGREE THAT SARA WAS NOT THAT BADLY IN WITHDRAWL YET, WILL THEY UNDRSTAND THE PAIN WHEN SHE GETS THERE. SHE IS ONE SERIUS DRUG ADDICT. AND THE CRACK HABBIT IS HEAVY ENOUGH ALONE,  IAM SUPRISED TO SEE HER SPEAK . I KNOW A LITTLE ABOUT THAT STUFF TOO. AND I HAVE QUITE A BIT OF DOUBT IN HER SURVIVAL. WATCHING HERE ON DRUGS, I WOULD HAVE CATOGORIZED HER AS UN HELPABLE.  ALSO DOES ANYONE KOW ABOUT METHADONE WITHDRAWL(RAPID DETOXIFICATION OR ANY OTHER MTHODS?
 
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November 27, 2006, 3:55 pm PST

couldn't have said it better!

Quote From: samaritan

I have never posted on a message board before, but after today's episode, my conscience wouldn't rest until I did.  

 

I am concerned that pushing Tecoa and Sarah so hard will sabatoge their recoveries.  I am a heroin addict who has been clean & sober for more than 5 years now.  I will never go back. It is not an option. I was 24 when I got clean, so I can really identify with the two girls.

 

If I had been pushed that hard during withdrawal, I would have used again or committed suicide.  Suicide is pretty common among recovering heroin addicts, so it is especially important that things be done right.  Thank God I wasn't in the Dr. Phil house because I'd probably be dead now.  This is the first time I haven't agreed with nearly everything Dr. Phil said.

 

I was extremely fortunate to have a family that understood that I needed to sleep for about 6 months.  I did things at my own pace, which was extremely slow.  But doing things that way lead to a recovery that has lasted.

 

It was extremely difficult for my parents watching me lie on the couch with my back to them all the time.  And, I really felt for the mother who wanted reassurance from Tecoa.  But she is the one who needs the reassurance now.  To say Tecoa isn't serious is absurd.  For a heroin addict to not be using heroin is proof that she is serious.  Unless you have been there, you cannot understand how hard it is to stay where you are and not use.  It is a fight, lying there.  It takes everything you've got.

 

There is only ONE way for Tecoa to meet these impossible demands right now.  That is to put heroin back in her body so she can function.   This is how an addict thinks.  The only times when my recovery has been in peril have been when people have expected me to do things I just don't have the energy to do.  Cravings start. Temptations come. 

 

Showing Tecoa and Sarah that they are doing good work by being on the show and not using would be so much more effective than undermining the work they are doing.

 

Sarah said the right things to Tecoa on today's show.  What she said was true, and Tecoa needed to hear that she was okay where she was.   She needed to hear that she was doing a good job, that just because she didn't jump up out of bed like a new woman all of the sudden, didn't mean she was a failure.  Sarah was not enabling her sister- She was protecting her.

 

Recovery is possible, even from heroin and crack.  But addicts need support.  They need a positive environment and they need as little stress as possible until their brains return to normal.  And, as soon as possible, they need to learn how to deal with life's stresses in healthy ways.  Some of us need psychiatric care.  Almost all of us need therapy.  But withdrawal isn't the time for all of that.

 

Is that hard for the family?  YES.  Is it unfair for their mother?  ABSOLUTELY!  But having a family that gave me the room I needed to grow saved my life.  I am so grateful for them and everything they have done.  And, I am sorry for worrying them and putting them through so much grief.  I feel these things now.  But in withdrawal, generally, it isn't in you to apologize or give reassurance. You are blessed if you have it in you to fight.  It is awful for the family. I highly recommend support groups for family members and friends.  But for the addict, you have to be patient and let her become the person you knew before.  Pressure will only lead to bad things.

 

If anyone out there has friends or family going through withdrawal, please be more supportive than this show is telling you to be.  It can be a matter of life or death.

 

Thanks for reading this and hopefully considering it.  My heart and prayers are with this family and all others in recovery.

 

 

 

I find it ironic that as I watch this program, I am lying on the couch, in the third week of my so far successful detox from methadone.  Last week I was doing just the same thing.  Lying on the couch.  The week before,  lying on the couch and crying.  It has been three weeks, and I  am  so proud because  I started eating again this week, I took my first  shower today,  (been taking baths because I'm too weak to stand for  long)  I have been getting up every hour or so to  just do those little things like make a sandwich or use the bathroom.  These are things I could not do last week.  Not because I was lazy, or because I wasn't serious about my recovery, but because I COULDN"T DO IT.  This may seem hard for the 'normal '  person to understand, but the best way to explain this process is to compare it to the worst case of the flu.  I know plenty of people that will literally stay in bed for days, because the are just too sick to move.  Why is it okay for people to get the rest they need when they have the flu, but not when they are 10xs sicker in withdrawls.  I just hope that this posting along with the others I have read, will help these professionals, who are obviosly are not recovering drug addicts, understand the need for comfort, isolation, and a big thick blanket at a time like this.  Basically, what Sara needs right now is understanding, not ridicule.  Tacoa - you are doing a great job taking care of your sister.  If you get a chance, brush her hair for her.  She can't do it right now, I know, but she will appriciate having the help, I promise.  Good Luck to the both of you!
 
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November 27, 2006, 3:56 pm PST

i was in jail and shared a cell with an heroin addicct

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 I AGREE THIS WIthrawl process is awful, I have gone through withdrawl from cocaine 25 years ago  clean and opiates a few years ago and this doctor made my skin crawl. I felt angry and stressed as though I were going through it, this guy is going to drive her crazy, you do not pick someone crazy when going through the sickness, try waiting a few days these guys would make me want to leave and DO drugs. You cannot BULLY someone clean DOCTOR PHIL. she is helping herself she is there. I am a counsellor who has helped many teens do this and your off base. If she fails it will be your pushing to hard this physcholigist is way out there..and annoying
and let me tell you that poor child for three weeks straight did nothing but throw up and laid there sometimes nothing but air or those death sounding noises came out i was 19 i never forgot that im 34 today seeing those sisters really made me remember my cellie ive never did no kind of drugs because of my cellie three weeks sharing everything and she never once told me here name thats how much pain she was in thanks for reading this and please keep your head up you can do better
 
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November 27, 2006, 4:01 pm PST

oh my God show some compassion

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 I AGREE THIS WIthrawl process is awful, I have gone through withdrawl from cocaine 25 years ago  clean and opiates a few years ago and this doctor made my skin crawl. I felt angry and stressed as though I were going through it, this guy is going to drive her crazy, you do not pick someone crazy when going through the sickness, try waiting a few days these guys would make me want to leave and DO drugs. You cannot BULLY someone clean DOCTOR PHIL. she is helping herself she is there. I am a counsellor who has helped many teens do this and your off base. If she fails it will be your pushing to hard this physcholigist is way out there..and annoying
I also have been through heroin withdrawal,I have been clean 17 months,at least 3 days you just want to be left alone ,I was not physically able to get up let alone participate in anyway with my recovery.After 3 to 5 days I wasn't feeling as weak and wanted to speak out.Your withdrawal process is ridiculous.Obviously none of the people working with her have ever been in that position.Have a heart.
 
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November 27, 2006, 4:01 pm PST

11/27 The Dr. Phil House: Heroin Twins, The Intervention, Part 2

I have been clean now for 10 years.  I as a crack, meth addict.  I used to love the feeling and the rush I got from taking that first shot of meth or smoking that first rock.  I would rob, con, steal from stores to get the money for my addiction.  I finally ended up in jail on forgery charges.  Forged over 10,000.00 in 12 days.  The first time i was picked up I spent 30 days in jail before a detective helped me to get out on a PR bond.  The first thing I did was hit the streets running for that next high.  When I was finally arrested a few months later and spent 5 months in jail and had lost my home, my car and my job and got in front of that judge and he said that my sentence would be 15 years in prison I almost died right there, but he must have seen something in me and he gave me a chance and put me on probation.  I took that chance and did the right thing.  I got my life back together, it wasn't easy.  I had no family or any where to go when I got out of jail.  I walked out of jail with only the clothes on my back and no idea what I was going to do.  I finally ended up with a girl that I had met in jail and she helped me get a job at a labor force, daily work, daily pay.  I had to walk everyday to that place, work all day and then walk back home.  In the end it was worth it, it really taught me to depend on myself and that I could make it through anything as long as I wanted it bad enough.  Through all the rough times and the times that I wanted to give up and go back to the life of drugs I would remember what I had lost and done to my family and children.  I just knew I had to make the right decisions for myself and I did.  It wasn't easy by no means and I know that if Sara and Tacoa have the mind set to get their lives back together they will do it.  Right now I really don't see it happening.  I don't see them really wanting to stop and change their lives,  I hope they make it but for now it looks like they are just taking a needed vacation.
 
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November 27, 2006, 4:04 pm PST

Getting Clean

I have been watching the series regarding these two twins.  I am a receovering addict and now have over 10 years clean.  I am sorry at this point from what I have seen Sarah is not ready to do the work it take to take her life back and start the road to recovery.  Recovery is NOT laying up in bed and feeling sorry for yourself, it is getting up, admitting the problem and tackling it head on and doing whatever it takes to beat the addiction.  I am not saying it is easy - it's not, but noone can do it for you and feeling sorry for yourself won't get it.  It is painful, both physically and mentally.  You have to deal with thoughts and feelings you haven't dealt with from the past, from the life of addiction and from what the detoxing and rehabilitation creates, but in the end it is well worth it. I still make the choice every day not to get high, I wake up sometimes from nightmares of using, but I have set my mind that I will never go back to that life and I continue to make the right choices every day.  When the time has come, hopefully she will do the same before it is too late.  It is possible to recovering from any type of drug use, but you have to be willing to do the work it takes.

My hand is there to help if there is anything I can do for her.

 
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November 27, 2006, 4:11 pm PST

I am very upset....

 Hello
 I have been watching the show with the twins.I am a recovering addict and was almost in the same shape as these gals.I have been clean for approx 15 yrs.
 I can't believe the way these so called Dr's are treating Sarah while she's trying to detox, what the hell are you guys doing !! Stop giving her such a bad time about wanting to stay in bed,holy smokes, you obviously don't know what it feels like to Detox,it is the most horrible thing to go through.I couldn't get out of bed for a week straight,except to throw up,or race to the bathroom to go to the toilet.Or I laid in the bathtub for hours and got sick in there and couldn't even get myself out.
 Leave her alone for a few days for christ sake !! Why are you saying she's not serious about getting clean ? It looks to me like she is or why would she be there going through all this torture  ?! Give your heads a good shake and let her get through the detox before you start bombarding her with all your wisdom.If you don't you are in for a failure.Just be happy she's there giving this a try and have some patience please!
                        thanks Irene
 

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