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Dr. Phil follows up with Krista and Bonii's quest for the truth, to find out if 3-year-old Kaylee is being molested by her father, Jeremy. Jeremy maintains his innocence even after a polygraph test showed him to be lying. He took another lie detector test at his hometown police department, and brought the results for Dr. Phil to review. What does an independent polygrapher say about this second test? Then, Jeremy asked to undergo hypnosis as another means of getting closer to the truth. Were there any new revelations? And, Jeremy had agreed to supervised visits with Kaylee, but when he got home, he changed his mind, so Krista denied him visitation. They end up facing off in front of a judge. Did Krista serve jail time or let Jeremy see Kaylee? Is Jeremy being falsely accused, or is this little girl still in harm's way? Talk about the show here.

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November 28, 2006, 11:54 pm PST

It's Easy To POINT YOUR FINGER!!!!!!!!!!

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I am extremely shocked and confused with the outcome of jeremys visitation - or freedom, for that matter! The first allegation made, by this 3 yr. old baby, should have been enough to take him off of our streets until he could prove otherwise. At least revoke his visitation immediately, until a full blown investigation proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, his innocence. I have more than a shadow of a doubt about jeremys innocence. However, I do not doubt his guilt with even the smallest fiber in my being. It is mirrored in his eyes what he has done.

 

Kaylees mother only coached Kaylee after Kaylee described sexual abuse at the hands of her very own father. Cmon mothers, what would you have wanted to do, short of killing the man that is molesting your 3 yr. old daughter? - according to your 3 yr. old daughter!  As a parent, you have no other recourse but to believe in your child and to do everything within your power to protect your most precious and bless-ed gift.

 

I was taught, years ago in a training session, that children pre-school age and younger are basically unable, incapable of lying about a topic that they would not normally have any knowledge of. Thankfully, when I was 3, I would not have been able to verbalize what Kaylee has. I would never have screamed when in route to see my Daddy! Instead, I would have been tickled with anticipation. I would have run into his arms screaming with glee! Kaylees actions/re-actions towards jeremy are not normal, by any means. Her mothers coaching, (however effective or ineffective, relative, or irrelative), would never have produced the screaming and begging that has gone on before and after visitations. jeremy is being allowed to rob Kaylees innocence, steal her sexual control, corrupt her view of sexuality, corrupt her view of men, and defile her virginal God created little being. With each action of sexual abuse, a portion of Kaylees soul is being murdered, never to be revived, never to be the same.

 

There does not always have to be physical evidence. What about the cases of women that have gone after their abusive fathers late into their adulthood with only their tragic, painful memories to arm them against the ever powerful control of the court system. Who decided that Kaylees cries for justice go unanswered? Who decided that this 3 yr. old is the liar and not this adult pedophile? jeremy has already been proven a liar through his lie detector tests. What about jeremy self-medicating himself, prior to each of the two lie detector tests, with alcohol. Hmmm, if you are innocent why would you need to calm your nerves?

 

Why has Kaylee not been hypnotized? Wouldnt that clear everything up and end jeremys sick, twisted masquerade? Hell, at this point it might be the only thing that will save her from her own father. The judge, cps, law enforcement, and whoever else that is obstructing Kaylees justice, are damn sure not going to lift a finger to help this family save Kaylee. How convenient, for jeremy, that he could not get hypnotized. I have studied this, as a possibility for unlocking some of my own child-hood demons, and you do have to be in an open and agreeable frame of mind. You need to have the want to, the willingness. All it is, is a relaxation technique. Whats the matter jeremy, tense up around this subject? Obviously, Kaylees mother wants nothing more than to resolve this issue. The attitude that the mother had going into the hypnotism is the reason that hers worked. jeremy sabotages, obviously he will continue being the problem as oppose to the solution.

 

I, myself, have had countless dealings with cps, over several years, spanning 2-3 counties, with numerous different caseworkers. Yet, time and time again, I have witnessed similar injustices from site to site, person to person, story after story. To those of you, like my devoted, die-hard cps caseworker cousin, I am well aware that you exist. However, you are becoming fewer and further between. As a matter of fact, it was a cps case involving one of my 4 1/2 yr. old female students, that caused my decision to resign from my job. A cps caseworker, the only one that I had ever met with so much determination, also resigned. Neither of us, in good conscience, could work for organizations that betrayed a 4 1/2 yr. old little girl. The organization that I resigned from, received grant money, specifically for aiding at-risk children with whatever resources, (which were suppose to be numerous and at our finger-tips), that were needed in order to keep these kids from falling through the cracks. cps needs an overhaul!

Ok, I have watched all of the shows.  I also have tried to keep an open mind.  I don't really know who to believe, but my guts tell me the grand-mother & daughter have a motive for all the finger-pointing.  First of all I have been through this with a grand-child (by a teacher).  Any mother or grand-mother would be in tears if they really thought their child was being sexually assalted.  These 2 ladies seemed very smug, and determined to convience the public to be on their side.  The passing out of flyers to passing cars showed bad judgement.  I also noted that the mother "coached" Kaylee when she was getting the child ready for a visit with Jeremy.  I also noted that Kaylee did not cry when she went to spent time with her father.  I really think Kaylee is saying these things to please mommy and grand-mother.  What a shame!  These women must really be desperate to make up a story like this.  I only hope they don't reap what they sow.  As far Jeremy, what man would go on national TV if he was guilty of these charges?  I say "thank you Jeremy" for showing up even though he knew people would probably believe the mom and grand-mother.  It takes a brave father to stand up on national TV and face these charges and know he is not guilty.  It seems all he really wants is for mom and grand-mother to 'SHUT-UP', let him spend time with his daughter, and try to be a good father.  Mom and grand-mother - the courts don't believe you, CPS doesn't believe you, and frankly you have made a fool out of yourself on national TV just so YOU can have a little attention.  Get a life...and let Kaylee love and enjoy her father before she hates you for what you have done to her.  STOP trying to make a name for yourself, get a job, and mind your on business!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  juliejuliegirl
 
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November 28, 2006, 11:55 pm PST

I say he's guilty.

My ex husband never molested our children, but I have seen that same reaction of  "righteous indignation" from him enough, when I KNEW he was guilty and HE KNEW he'd been caught.

Only with Jeremy, he says even stupider things, and give me a break, I wanted to just scream when Dr. Phil took him in the back to ask him questions, and he sat there squirming and squirming and had to THINK abt. his ANSWERS????!!!!!!!!!   And how stupid does he think Dr. Phil is, saying "unless I did it in my sleep'!!  He's still young and I've got a no. of decades on him

and he's not fooing me.   

 
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November 29, 2006, 12:07 am PST

Everyone needs to relax

 OK! So a few things dont seem to set with me that well. One is why is this Grandmother and Mother clearly coxing this child? The way the mother asked the child 'what happen today?' triggers the childs reaction to respond with what she thinks mom wants to hear. Why do the simple questions make dad so  nerves. I  think this family needs a break all the way around. If the police department is afraid of approaching the Grandma because she tends to over react then DUH! She is most likely to be over reacting to this.

 Dad is correct for asking.....' Why are you posting this information about your 3 year old all over TV, Posters, Web pages? I think both parents need a break from this child or I should say this child needs a break from her parents. CPS needs to step in and remove the child for a short time while the parents get counseling and education on how to talk to your child. I will be writing CPS and the court house that are posted on the Help kaylee page with my thoughts.

 As a former child of sexual abuse, Former Foster Child and now a mentor for former foster youth. I am appalled by all that has taken place. CPS needs to step in take this child place her in a Temporary foster home until counseling is conducted on all involved. This child needs to be de-programed DR. Phill! Good Luck! 

 
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November 29, 2006, 12:10 am PST

11/28 Jeremy Returns

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I still think he has learning disabilities. His responses, repeat of questions, everything points to that. But that doesn't make him guilty. Some people don't understand things the same way as others. I have 4 dyslexic children and they are wonderful but God love them they have a difficult time understanding what people say and have to have questions repeated before answering. I would get so mad at them that they couldn't give me a straight answer to my question, or if they did I'd find out later it was wrong because they didn't understand the question. After testing all four and years of frustration the truth was double deficit dyslexia. They have to have accommodations like sometimes oral tests and directions explained, but they are doing great because I got them help. I truly suspect Jeremy is the same. That would explain alot of his behavior. Especially his off the wall comments.
This is not about how your children read and you get mad.  Are you not getting this?  A 3 yr. old is describing sexual acts that she is claiming are at the hands of her very own father.  At three years old, I would never have known how to describe what she has. Think -  for Kaylee's sake!!!!!
 
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November 29, 2006, 12:14 am PST

11/28 Jeremy Returns

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 The issue is...Is Jeremy molesting Kaylee??????  Why is it that everyone gets focused on everything else except for the real issue here?  Yes, Krista and her mother may not be handling the situation as some would see as "proper".  Yet, what would you do?  Do you think you could get through this and get  protection for your child without any mistakes?  Especially after the first and biggest mistake like getting involved with a child molester to begin with.  They don't wear shirts advertising they are child molesters.  They certainly don't tell you they will molest your children.  Yet, a child molester could be anyone.  No one immune from making these mistakes.  When a child molester gets caught, they lie, lie, lie, deflect, accuse, change the subject, anything they can to take the focus off the real issue.   And they will almost NEVER admit what they have done and will continue to do.  Yet, the mother will be persecuted and watched until she makes a mistake.  No matter how little.  Krista and Kailey will have to live in the fishbowl with everyone watching them, until they do something wrong that can be used against them.  One day they will do something someone considers "improper"  and Kailey will pay for that mistake.  Believe me, it won't be anything compared  to what Jeremy is doing to Kailey.  I believe after watching him, that he is molesting Kailey and will continue to molest children until he dies or is put behind bars forever.
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November 29, 2006, 12:25 am PST

Jeremy

After reading these posts I probably will get attacked for what I am saying so let me first start by saying that child molestation is horrid bottom line. But, there are several things that stick out to me about this situation.

First and foremost, everyone keeps on saying that Jeremy failed his lie detector tests. Now, I didnt catch all of the first couple of shows but on the replay it also said that Krista was deceptive in putting ideas into the 3 year olds head. Did I miss something because why was this just skipped over and not addressed

Secondly, am I the only one who looks at these people and think that they are railroading this guy? They are eating, sleeping, and breathing and DWELLING on the fact that Jeremy did this. What else is the baby to think at age 3 when her mother and grandmother are constantly filling this child full of information that she probably cannot understand.

I noticed a couple other things also, the baby cried a little when she was taken to see jeremy and they can say all that they want about him trying to be on his best behavior because he was being filmed but the baby showed no signs of distress and was infact smiling.

I dont think he is looking for limelight as much as he is trying to clear his name. It is so hard to believe that if something is happening that other people (other than grandma and mother) would report it and then investigated. The court system wouldnt allow his rights to be severed because there was no evidence of abuse. Also remember that judges have experience in that they can "feel and know" situations such as these because they have seen them all before. If the judge or CPS felt it was warranted to take the child from him than they would have.

Let me comment on one more thing and then I will let the yelling match begin.... at the end when the baby spent the weekend with jeremy the mother said later on when she was changing her diaper she noticed her Pee pee was red and was told by the child that jeremy (not dad) was touching her again. Her calling him Jeremy says quite a few things. She should have been adapt to calling him dad, why is she not? Why doesnt she address him as father? Anyways, why is this 3 year old wearing diapers in the first place? That is a sign of emotional stress. This poor baby is being pressured and torn too much. I understand that she was also young when they hooked up, why did her mother allow that to happen in the first place. I think that they felt burned by whatever happened between them and will stop at nothing to ruin his life, jeremy was probably her first real love and now he is married and moving on and she is mad and having an over zealous and complaining mother, as the town police have labeled her, who is pushing her and putting ideas in her head.

Really  I hope that this isnt happening and I am no expert, I am taking a criminology class in college right now and have really been paying attention to certain details that I would have missed had I not looked at this in an unbias way.  This case is shaky at best and I hope that it gets resolved soon for the sake of the baby.

 
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November 29, 2006, 12:25 am PST

11/28 Jeremy Returns

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Those things are evidence of SOMETHING. But of what we do not know. 
OMG! yes we do know!!!! We have a 3 yr. old describing to us what is being done to her.  Hello! wake up!
 
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November 29, 2006, 12:29 am PST

Jeremy Returns

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seems to be only two who relly care about the child, god and dr phil!

   I  have to agree with this statement that  it seems that  God and Dr. Phil seem to be the only ones to truly care about Kaylee. I  have watched  this show and  I do know that Kaylee needs to be protected,but I don't believe her mother and grandmother are doing this by picketing the court house and by Bonii watching the police to catch them doing illeagal things.

   That is not protecting Kaylee ,but bringing attention to their war with Jeremy and  their own agenda.  There are things in this story that seem to me like Kaylee is being coached what to say.  I don't think that is fair to Kaylee at all, and I know I don't know all the facts,but hug Kaylee and let her know that She is NOT being lost in this situation that is about her.

   I have 3 granddaughters , 9 ,6 and 2  and  I also have 2 grandsons 7 and 3. I love them very much and would not want them to ever have to go through this. if anything were to happen I would pray that Dr. Phil Would be in their corner to help and protect them and they would have all the help and protection they needed.

A loving Nana

  I have also dealt with Child Protective Services before.  I would not want their jobs .

  Thank God and Dr. Phil for watching out for Kaylee.

   My prayers are with Kaylee . She is a baby and she needs a lot of love.  Thank you Dr. Phil for your show and for  the things you do for children like Kaylee and for all children.

They are very blessed to have you in their corner.  

 
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November 29, 2006, 12:37 am PST

Hard evidence?

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Shows what you know. Not always!!!
What are the rules of evidence? There are many different types of evidence. A lie detector test is not evidence that is allowable in court. There are physical evidence, testimonial evidence, and forensic evidence. I do not believe there is one classified as "HARD EVIDENCE".  I do believe that a confession from Jeremy is in order here and I am hoping Dr. Phil will be able to get that from Jeremy. I am afraid if not then this little girl will continue to suffer. If you have had any experience with the courts, you would know that "ANYHING" can and does happen.
 
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November 29, 2006, 12:43 am PST

Jeremy Returns

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Because, there is no evidence that HE did anything. We do not lock people up with out EVIDENCE.
Do you know how long it would have taken me to have answered the question about sticking the cake in her mouth with my tongue? Not even a split second. I wouldn't have had to sit there and makes some ugly faces and say" let's see have I ever"? People this told the truth in itself. How long would it take any of you to have answered it? This man is a quilty as many of the men sitting in jail and the judge should be ashamed of herself and I hope this comes back to haunt her. Do I agree with everything the Mother and Grandmother has done? Not all all. Another thing she said today that shows he likes them young and underdeveloped was when she mentioned that when she started growing breast he wanted her to have a reduction. Remember this girl was 14 and he 21 when they started dating. I hope and pray the 12 year old comes forward and he gets to go sit in prison for awhile and maybe then he will know how Kaylie feels to be touched and her not wanting to be. And what does he do when he does get to visit her? Puts her in his lap on a swing. She is competely able to swing herself. God be with Kaylie and keep her safe. It looks like no one else is going to.
 
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