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Created on : Tuesday, November 21, 2006, 02:20:16 pm
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Dr. Phil follows up with Krista and Bonii's quest for the truth, to find out if 3-year-old Kaylee is being molested by her father, Jeremy. Jeremy maintains his innocence even after a polygraph test showed him to be lying. He took another lie detector test at his hometown police department, and brought the results for Dr. Phil to review. What does an independent polygrapher say about this second test? Then, Jeremy asked to undergo hypnosis as another means of getting closer to the truth. Were there any new revelations? And, Jeremy had agreed to supervised visits with Kaylee, but when he got home, he changed his mind, so Krista denied him visitation. They end up facing off in front of a judge. Did Krista serve jail time or let Jeremy see Kaylee? Is Jeremy being falsely accused, or is this little girl still in harm's way? Talk about the show here.

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November 26, 2006, 1:43 am CST

Slimeball

It burns me up that this slimeball is still trying to weasle out of the terrible thing he has done.  I don't blame the mother one bit for not letting him see the child without supervised visitation.  He's guilty and he knows it.  I am wondering if his current wife is still with him.  I hope she left the jerk since she is pregnant and he would probably do the same to her child.
 
November 26, 2006, 4:59 am CST

Kaylee

 Dr. Phil,

    I think we're all forgetting something here-Kids do not lie when it comes to abuse. My own 2 kids were also abused and although it was mostly physical& emotional abuse, to this day I believe that my ex-husband  sexually abused my son.

  It happened approx 21 yrs ago & to this day my son still has occaisional nightmares about that awful day. My ex took him in his room,locked the door and all I heard was my son screaming "stop,don't do that" over & over. Unfortunately I could never prove anything because my son was so traumatized that he wouldn't/couldn't talk about the incident & as I stated above,except for the nightmares he still holds it inside & will not talk about it.

  I don't understand why Jeremy is still walking around instead of sitting in jail where he belongs. If Kaylee says he touched her,I believe her. I also can't believe his new wife. If that was me I would have kicked his butt to the curb a long time ago. I feel sorry for her only because she's carrying a pedophile's baby. She needs to wake up & do something! How can she sleep next to him every night-just hte thought of it makes me sick.

  Jeremy's going to do the same thing to the new baby-can't Social Services take custody of Kaylee & the new baby and keep them until it's safe to go home? I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I knew I had the power to help them & didn't do anything.

 I'm going to watch your show to see what else this lying pervert has to say but it won't be easy. Please do whatever you can to help poor, defenseless innocent Kaylee-my heart goes out to her and her Mom & Grandma.

 Good Luck Dr. Phil-I think you're going to need it with this problem! 

      

 
November 26, 2006, 5:27 am CST

to Frustrated Grandmother

Quote From: achiever

Note to Dr. Phil... I am a Grandmother who has been worried about my 5 year old granddaughter since she was about 5 months old. I have always thought her "father" and I use that term very loosely, has been sexually abusing her, as well as emotional and physical abuse. My granddaughter had demonstrated some disturbing actions and made statements that led me to believe she was being abused. My daughter is stuck in this very abusive relationship and she doesnt know what to do. Unfortunatley, I was in the same situation withe her father many years ago. My daughter was sexually mistreated by her stepfather and I didnt do anything. I have lived with that guilt for years now. I finally got my head on straight 7 years ago and now I see the error of the choices I made back then and how there are perpetuating through the generations. I am trying to stop that cycle with my granddaughter but I feel it is too late. The DHS has been out to my daughters house on more than a few occasions. I had to raise my granddaughter for 6 months because  the father and the other grandmother, as well as my daughter were accused of physical abuse of my granddaughter. During the time she was with me, she shared many stories with me that I just couldn't take. I called DHS and shared with them what she had told me and I was told that unless my granddaughter explicitly stated she saw naked bodies there was nothing they could do. She was 4 at the time.... she new enough to tell me what she saw and what she was made to do with her other grandmother of all people.

 

So... when I hear you say that you just don't believe that Child Protective Services would not follow up on a complaint I have to disagree. This was in Arkansas and they said they would make sure that my call was documented but they did not see any cause for an investigation. Maybe you should do a show on the breakdown of this system in America. My daughter and the father both got off from the charge of abuse and I had to return my beautiful granddaughter back to them. She went from a very angry, uncontrollable, raging little 4 year old to a sweet little girl who said her prayers at night, flowering little girl in the 6 months I had her. I have since watched her return to the angry, frustrated little 5 year old that she is now.

 

Please Dr. Phil.... don't turn a blind eye the reality of the Child Protective Systems in this country. I am sure there are many offices that do the job they are supposed to do.... but the one in my county...... has much to be desired.

 

Frustrated Grandmother feeling helpless in Arkansas.

CPS puts on a GOOD show when they have someone watching them, They Don't give a Damn about The Little Children, its just more paper work for them, Ky, has the same problem, It is a very low paying job, and they are very lazy people, CPS people MAKE ME SICK!!!!
 
November 26, 2006, 6:27 am CST

11/28 Jeremy Returns

Quote From: tennmomof4

      As a mother who was recently in a similar situation I have to disagree with you MikiC. My ex husband was always verbally abusive to my children, and I had tried several different approaches to get something done (including taking online law courses). When he threw my then 14 yr. old daughter up against the wall I called his local law enforcement. They made him leave the house for the night but informed me that I could not pick my children up early without a court order. He lives in Alabama and I live in Tennessee and it was a holiday so that was an impossible thing to get. I called both my local CPS agency and his. I was told that neither one of them had jurisdiction. A year later, after their Thanksgiving holiday visit, I started noticing some very upsetting changes in  my then 15 yr. old daughter. She broke up with her boyfriend immediately upon her return and then pretty much just stayed in bed. She was clearly depressed but refused to talk about why. She was flunking out of her freshman yr. in high school. Still desperate to find the cause of her distress, I searched her bedroom. I found some disturbing pornographic writings which seemed to just be ramblings but occasionly made references to her father being a child molester. I then confronted her with the writings. What she told me put me in complete shock. Her father had tried to sexually molest her while she was at her last visit. I called both CPS agencies again and recieved the same response, niether thought they had jurisdiction over the situation. Did I give up and send my two daughters back into the lions den? HELL NO! I refused to send then, even telling thier father why I was doing so. I then made a trip to my daughters high school at my husbands urging and let them read what I had. They had taken similar writing from her at school. This meeting (with all her teachers, academic counselor, and the dean of girls at the school) was the turning point. The school contacted my local CPS agency who have been involved every since. There is now a no contact order and an order of protection for them against their father. The state is now in the process of taking his parental rights away because he has refused to do anything that they have asked him too. The moral of my story is "Protect your children first, deal with the legalities later!" By the way I would have gladly went to jail for violating a court order to ensure the safety of my children. 

That's good for you but your case and Kaylee while similar are very different. 

 

1.  Your ex lives in a different state, I believe Kaylee's parents live within the same county maybe same town

2.  You have physical proof daughter's letters  and previous police report of physical abuse

 

3 your daughter is 15 years old, Kaylee is 3

 

4.  you had CPS fighting for you once school got involved but you know even in your case, it went on for a long time.  Why did you send her back after he threw her into a wall?

 

5.  Please don't assume that Krista can do anything more than she is doing.

 

I would suggest that if one suspect abuse, they gather facts  and document and if the state allows them to move to move as far from the perpetrator as possible or with facts petition for an exparte order to protect the child.

 

If the child is of school age, have child speak to couselor or teacher, a report by them is taken more serious.  When a parent reports abuse, the other parent will claim it is a custody issue.  If you can get the child a cell phone and let them know that they should use it if ever in danger again.  If child is old enough, the child should be told call police asap as soon as safe to do so.

 

 

 
November 26, 2006, 6:39 am CST

same old justice system

Quote From: bevfal

 Dr. Phil,

    I think we're all forgetting something here-Kids do not lie when it comes to abuse. My own 2 kids were also abused and although it was mostly physical& emotional abuse, to this day I believe that my ex-husband  sexually abused my son.

  It happened approx 21 yrs ago & to this day my son still has occaisional nightmares about that awful day. My ex took him in his room,locked the door and all I heard was my son screaming "stop,don't do that" over & over. Unfortunately I could never prove anything because my son was so traumatized that he wouldn't/couldn't talk about the incident & as I stated above,except for the nightmares he still holds it inside & will not talk about it.

  I don't understand why Jeremy is still walking around instead of sitting in jail where he belongs. If Kaylee says he touched her,I believe her. I also can't believe his new wife. If that was me I would have kicked his butt to the curb a long time ago. I feel sorry for her only because she's carrying a pedophile's baby. She needs to wake up & do something! How can she sleep next to him every night-just hte thought of it makes me sick.

  Jeremy's going to do the same thing to the new baby-can't Social Services take custody of Kaylee & the new baby and keep them until it's safe to go home? I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I knew I had the power to help them & didn't do anything.

 I'm going to watch your show to see what else this lying pervert has to say but it won't be easy. Please do whatever you can to help poor, defenseless innocent Kaylee-my heart goes out to her and her Mom & Grandma.

 Good Luck Dr. Phil-I think you're going to need it with this problem! 

      

  YOUR SON NEEDS TO COME FORWARD WITH THIS.  IT IS NEVER TO LATE!

 

My daughter has been "fighting" the same situation for the past 2 1/2 years.  Even though my granddaughter doesn't see her dad, our local police authorities have told my x son in law that children at 3 cannot clinically remember what happened to them at age 18 months or so.

 

The judge ordered my daughter to take my granddaughter for help.  The doctor has had approx 6 sessions with the baby and now the doctor reported to the local authorities, DCF what has happened to her because my granddaughter was pretty clear.  This happened last month.  X son in law still roaming the streets.

 

 

This moran has admitted to me that he has hurt her but can't remember how???????  People like this need to pay for what they have done.  My husband and I recently took a tour of Alcatraz.  WHAT A COLD AND SCARY PLACE!  I would say that most of our criminals in todays times don't really mind going to jail.  Warm and cozy beds, 3 full meals a day.  Workout areas to stay fit and trim, light work detail.  Crap, sounds like my house!!!!!  Our courts systems need to change.  and FAST.  Department for Children and Families is a joke.  They start a process and drop the ball.

 

So I hope and pray for EVERY person big or small will get the justice they deserve.  NO MATTER HOW LONG THIS WILL TAKE!!! 

 
November 26, 2006, 6:49 am CST

11/28 Jeremy Returns

Quote From: momkay

  AS A MOTHER, AND A SURVIVOR OF SEXUALLY ABUSE, AND KAYLEE WAS THE SAME AGE AS I WAS WHEN IT STARTED. I WOULD NOT LET MY DAUGHTER GO IF I THOUGHT SHE WAS BEING ABUSED, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEE THE ABUSE TAKEN PLACE, LISTEN TO THE CHILD, PUT HER IN TO GET HELP AND THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT. THERE ARE THINGS CHILDREN JUST CAN NOT TELL, FOR THEY DON'T KNOW THE SEXUALY TREMS THEY JUST KNOW SOMETHING DIFFERENT HAPPENED AND THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT, OR IT HURT.

  I AGREE ALL THIS HAS BEEN HANDLE WRONG ON BOTH PARENTS SIDE, BUT SOMEONE HAS DONE SOMETHING TO THIS LITTLE GIRL, AND ONE OF THEM KNOWS IT. THIS NEEDS TO STOP NOW, AND SHE NEEDS A SAFE PLACE.  LISTEN, LOVE, KAYLEE AND LET HER HEAL NOW WHILE SHE IS YOUNG, AND DON'T KEEP ASKING HER QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, LET HER TALK WHEN SHE IS READY, AND SHE WILL WHEN SHE FEELS IT IS OK, AND NO ONE IS GOING TO BE MAD, OR YELLING. SHE ALREADY WILL FEEL SHE IS THE CAUSE FOR ALL THIS.

  I JUST PRAY THE TRUTH COMES OUT AND MY ONLY CONCERN ALSO IS FOR KAYLEE. THIS HAS BEEN A HARD ONE TO WATCH, SINCE SHE IS THE AGE I CAN REMEMBER BACK TO.

You obviously are out of sink with the reality of child abuse today.  If you read the posts from other than you would know, the mother cannot prevent the pervert from having the child. 

 

The mother has done everything she should and more than most.  The failure is not the mother but the corrupt system.

 

It seems Jeremy was an abused child and now abuses children.  Well, isn't it possible that this is bigger than just Jeremy but a whole system, having been abused, he would be in the inner circle of abusers, pedophiles, pornographers etc.  I think it is possible they protect each other and maybe even financially benefit from each other.

 

CPS also has rules and laws to follow as does the judge and even the police.  Do you know that for a search warrant to be issued is difficult and when it is issued, it has to state exactly what is being searched for and where it is being search at,  If additional evidence is found during that warrant, the evidence cannot be used or the criminal walks.

 

However, Jeremy can lose his unsupervised visits by a CPS and judges ruling in civil court wherer it is a preponderance of evidence which is most likely than not.  No Jail time from that trial but it would limit his access to her.

 

Beyond a resonable doubt today is like saying one is never guilty because to some there is always a doubt.  But even if one is not found legally guilty in a criminal court, they are not found innocent just not legally guilty.  However, when one does wrong even if a court does not have the evidence to find the person as guilty as charged, the person is still moraly and physically guilty.

 

My concern is for Kaylee but it is also for the mother and family too as they must have thousands in legal fees as they have to pay to protect the child.  They have to live with the pain of everything.  They have been enduring this for over a year and they will have to endure it for the lifetiime.  In reality Krista has suffered Jeremy's abuse for many years.

 

I feel for the young child that Jeremy once was but those feelings by far take last place when I consider all his victims.

 
November 26, 2006, 7:05 am CST

11/28 Jeremy Returns

Quote From: kateyez722

CPS puts on a GOOD show when they have someone watching them, They Don't give a Damn about The Little Children, its just more paper work for them, Ky, has the same problem, It is a very low paying job, and they are very lazy people, CPS people MAKE ME SICK!!!!

In our case CPS had some problem with which county had jurisdiction but once it was determined the county the child lived it, they did find the father guilty after seven month investigation and they did request supervised visitation center from the divorce judge and it was granted but than case transferred to the county that CPS was in. 

 

To make a long story short, his atty got the case transferred to a different judge and that judge dismissed everything and than the divorce court judge took off the supervised visits and gave the pervert 50-50 custody unsupervised with no child support and did make arrangements for a 4 day trial.  The father's atty claimed not to be able to make any court dates until 9 months later.  Three weeks before that trial, the divorce judge was transferred to another court and the new judge refused to hear any witnesses, deny the evidence from CPS to be admitted, told mother to get over it and that the child was safe enough and there would be no supervised visits.  It goes on and on---ovfer thirty thousand dollars on and on 

 

It is not just CPS but the laws that need changing.  There are too many laws to protect the guilty which create more crime. 

 

 

 
November 26, 2006, 8:12 am CST

Jeremy

Quote From: worriedgrandma

You obviously are out of sink with the reality of child abuse today.  If you read the posts from other than you would know, the mother cannot prevent the pervert from having the child. 

 

The mother has done everything she should and more than most.  The failure is not the mother but the corrupt system.

 

It seems Jeremy was an abused child and now abuses children.  Well, isn't it possible that this is bigger than just Jeremy but a whole system, having been abused, he would be in the inner circle of abusers, pedophiles, pornographers etc.  I think it is possible they protect each other and maybe even financially benefit from each other.

 

CPS also has rules and laws to follow as does the judge and even the police.  Do you know that for a search warrant to be issued is difficult and when it is issued, it has to state exactly what is being searched for and where it is being search at,  If additional evidence is found during that warrant, the evidence cannot be used or the criminal walks.

 

However, Jeremy can lose his unsupervised visits by a CPS and judges ruling in civil court wherer it is a preponderance of evidence which is most likely than not.  No Jail time from that trial but it would limit his access to her.

 

Beyond a resonable doubt today is like saying one is never guilty because to some there is always a doubt.  But even if one is not found legally guilty in a criminal court, they are not found innocent just not legally guilty.  However, when one does wrong even if a court does not have the evidence to find the person as guilty as charged, the person is still moraly and physically guilty.

 

My concern is for Kaylee but it is also for the mother and family too as they must have thousands in legal fees as they have to pay to protect the child.  They have to live with the pain of everything.  They have been enduring this for over a year and they will have to endure it for the lifetiime.  In reality Krista has suffered Jeremy's abuse for many years.

 

I feel for the young child that Jeremy once was but those feelings by far take last place when I consider all his victims.

I am discussed at jeremy, because he is that little girl protector or he should be.  When I first saw the preview, I KNEW that this jerk hurt this beautiful girl.  I know in my body that he should either have his male part removed or go to jail for life because his new wife is pregnant and he WILL do this to that child and anyone who says differently is more screwed up then Jeremy is.  Debbi Spraggins
 
November 26, 2006, 9:24 am CST

Corrupted World Today

It's really sad the world that we have created for ourselves. Not in anyway to I blame the child for her pain, being a survivor of such traumatizations. It's the adults in the situation that I have a hard time depicting. There are so many people in the world that do things that are just sick and twisted that get away with it and it's wrong. But there in lies the question what started it all what corrupted the way of life that we had before all of this? Our environment for children over the last ten years even has become ridiculously atrocious. The kids in this world depend on their mom and dad to protect them and come to their aid when they need it the most, and now days you see more and more children without homes, without parents. It's the saddest thing that I see these days. I know that many parent's don't believe their kids when it comes to accusations such as those, but it takes a courageous person to stand up and fight the fight. I know that from personal experience. Being fifteen in the situation that I'm in now, it's a lot of work to handle, but it's possible. Many say that kids today are rude and don't care about anything, but themselves. Well let me ask you this.... where so these situations come from? We didn't just make them up. It's the society that we're put in and the way that life is being thrown at us. Twenty or thirty years ago adults wouldn't have to worry about letting their kids go outside and play for an hour. Now it's like you have to have someone watching them 24/7 or something might happen that you regret for the rest of your life. It's crazy that in today's world children are at risk for such things and it's scary. I'm not even afraid for myself, I'm talking my 11 year old brother, my 5 year old nephew, or even my 8 month old niece. They are the successors of our future. Kids are what's going to keep us going. To this day if a child comes up to me and says that someone is hurting them I believe them. I have no other choice, because if I dismiss that I'll have that hanging over my head forever and I'll have that guilt. I haven't had a lot but 4 kids tell me that a family member or friend had hurt them and every time it turned out to be true. One just happened to be my best friend. It drives one crazy to think about what's going to happen in our world's future for our kids. I hope that this child gets the better life that they deserve. No child deserves To go through any type of abuse no matter how much of a "problem child" they are or not.
 
November 26, 2006, 9:29 am CST

11/28 Jeremy Returns

Quote From: worriedgrandma

From Jeremy's behavior, he enjoys the limelight and I think putting his name in the title to the follow up of shocking allegations is feeding into his feeling of importance.  He already indicated that he was good for your ratings.  As many pedophiles, he thinks it's all about him.

 

As a grandmother of an abused child, I find it offensive.  Yes, people want to see him on the hotseat and see if indeed he did take another lie detector test but the important issue is child abuse and how protecting a child is so difficult. 

 

Yes, I will watch the show but do so knowing that it takes the courts to ultimately do the right things and protect the children.

 

I do thank Dr Phil for bringing this to the public's awareness.  Please Dr Phil, long after this case is resolved pleasecontinue helping the children.  Let the public know what laws are being made and overturned that protect the kids.  Thank you

 

 

 

 

JEREMY didn't name the show.
 
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