Topic : 11/28 Jeremy Returns

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Created on : Tuesday, November 21, 2006, 02:20:16 pm
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Dr. Phil follows up with Krista and Bonii's quest for the truth, to find out if 3-year-old Kaylee is being molested by her father, Jeremy. Jeremy maintains his innocence even after a polygraph test showed him to be lying. He took another lie detector test at his hometown police department, and brought the results for Dr. Phil to review. What does an independent polygrapher say about this second test? Then, Jeremy asked to undergo hypnosis as another means of getting closer to the truth. Were there any new revelations? And, Jeremy had agreed to supervised visits with Kaylee, but when he got home, he changed his mind, so Krista denied him visitation. They end up facing off in front of a judge. Did Krista serve jail time or let Jeremy see Kaylee? Is Jeremy being falsely accused, or is this little girl still in harm's way? Talk about the show here.

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June 27, 2007, 4:14 pm PDT

You don't get a paper cut from sex

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Ok, well, how does one get a paper cut from sexual activity then?  That doesn't make any more sense either.


What the doctor was saying that when a labia is torn it is only painful for a shot time like a paper cut that you get on your finger.  That means that Kaylee got hurt between midnight and 2am.  I have read all of the hospital records in this case and Jeremy does change his story 5 times and than on the show he said he does not know what happen.   Once again changing his story. 

 
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June 27, 2007, 6:27 pm PDT

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What the doctor was saying that when a labia is torn it is only painful for a shot time like a paper cut that you get on your finger.  That means that Kaylee got hurt between midnight and 2am.  I have read all of the hospital records in this case and Jeremy does change his story 5 times and than on the show he said he does not know what happen.   Once again changing his story. 

That doesn't answer my question at all.
 
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July 1, 2007, 1:20 am PDT

Please follow up on Kaylee

 Hi Dr Phil,
Could you please do a follow up on Kaylee, I think about this poor little girl often after watching your show and worry that she is still being subjected to this sick abuse. I know she isn't the only child in this kind of circumstance but her story has stuck in my head and I would like to know that she is no longer in halms way.
Love your show too
 
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July 5, 2007, 10:21 am PDT

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After Dr. Phil told her, she admited the reactions to the accusations could coach for more dramatics.  Not that she ever coached her words or accusations!  The emotions, dramatics.

 

The Grandmother or anyone who cares about a child should be upset against someone

who did or may have abused thier Grandchild.  Same for the Mom, we have way too many people who do not put children first. 

 

 Stiring up trouble was over her calling out auhorities there for abusing positions and funds to be involved in this case when they did not belong there.

And so what if she did, none of an adults actions or speech ever excuses or overrides harm to a child.

 

Not once did I see where this child changed any part of anything.  Put this case aside a second here:  Children communicate with a limited vocabulary.  When the subject is not from a routine

event the child uses words from other areas of life to try to explain things.  Things like fork is common language in events like this.  Same as someone in pain would say hurts like a knife stabbing them even though they was never stabbed with a knife.

 

Mental illness VS disorder?  There is response changing based on what the questions was not all of them so it was not mental illness.  None of the questions was  a surprise, he heard them all before.  Dr. Phil is who put the presure on the emotions, for nothing said or asked was news to anyone.

 

Evidence is specific to include the emotions of the victim.  Professionals do know how to ask questions, communicate and articulate so the information gathered is accurate.  This child did go to a professional and did not waiver her accusations.  How she articulated it is not from an adults vocvabulary.  We must remember childrens mental reasoning in all things.

 

I understand people being concerned for false accusations.  It does happen.  When it envolves children it is most common from those in foster care, over 12 years old and troubled abused kids in wayward homes pending parental charges.

It was that man who took his daughter that he was estranged from for 2 years, did not pay support for during that time and beyond it, that took her to ER after midnight. saying she cried from her sleep in pain.  That he did not know how it happened, it must of been when she jumped off the couch earlier.  Injuries in that area hurt immediately, subside over time.  That is why the medical authorities called the police as suspected sex abuse.  What they observed from injury and emotions at that time.  That is on top of all else before and after that event.

 

Here is my thought regarding all speaking for the father or mother:  What about the child?

Children get too little rights and protection.  Supervised visitation would have benfited a healthy

connection for the childs best interest, not forced into a relationship with someone that was a strangeer to her.  Add to that the accusations and this child was forced into a terrible battle of adults dispite her pain?

 

This father would not be so damned if he would have agreed to counseling.  Mental disorders does not excuse illegal activities, means getting counseling, taking prescribed medications and definately go to thereapy with this child as many professionals advise.  He refuses.

using alcohol is another problem to whatever is wrong.  His history is to use alcohol?

His history is to negate responsibility, disregard medical advise and always has himself as the first in thinking and speaking.  What about the child?

On both sides all have issues, it all escalate when a child is in potential danger of being harmed.  Please check the facts on childrens responses to injuries, abuse and how they articulate from thier small vocabulary?

Please also check the facts: she kept the same accusations throughout without adding or changing them.  Now almost 2 years after the incidents, she learned that adults cannot protect, will not believe and seh must protect and defend herself however seh can.  That is the story of so many self-injurers out there still crying and asking why?

What is with these random rants that make no sense what so ever and stray from the topic at hand at the drop of a hat (as well as constant contradictions throughout)?

 

Limited language? well maybe she means head when she says "pee pee" and touched becomes "patted". Or maybe the phrase "they touched my pee pee" actuallly means "they let me eat ice cream". What an absured argument to make.

 

Of course there is also the point of a complete lack of evidence/proof of molestation, but lets not let that get in the way of damning someone. He must have done it because a small child say "they touched my pee pee" (then again she has also said that daddy hasnt touched my pee pee), hey evidence would just slow things down so who needs it. Yes very logical.

 

Now we have the expert on mental illness telling us how things are done. It has already been established that he is seeing a shrink and that he is taking medication (which have side effects), why does he need to go to councilling for something that he hasnt done? Should you have to go to jail for murder when you didnt commit that crime?

 

You dont seem to have any idea about mental illness or medication or even what changing your story actually means.

 

So I guess I am in for another random rant that bares little relevence to what has been posted.

 
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July 16, 2007, 7:54 am PDT

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What is with these random rants that make no sense what so ever and stray from the topic at hand at the drop of a hat (as well as constant contradictions throughout)?

 

Limited language? well maybe she means head when she says "pee pee" and touched becomes "patted". Or maybe the phrase "they touched my pee pee" actuallly means "they let me eat ice cream". What an absured argument to make.

 

Of course there is also the point of a complete lack of evidence/proof of molestation, but lets not let that get in the way of damning someone. He must have done it because a small child say "they touched my pee pee" (then again she has also said that daddy hasnt touched my pee pee), hey evidence would just slow things down so who needs it. Yes very logical.

 

Now we have the expert on mental illness telling us how things are done. It has already been established that he is seeing a shrink and that he is taking medication (which have side effects), why does he need to go to councilling for something that he hasnt done? Should you have to go to jail for murder when you didnt commit that crime?

 

You dont seem to have any idea about mental illness or medication or even what changing your story actually means.

 

So I guess I am in for another random rant that bares little relevence to what has been posted.

Always weigh in against one side?  Well with the children being the ones with no

evidence as there would be in many crimes that leaves finger prints and such,

what is it a child must do to get justice?  What must a child do and say to ensure

that someone knows they are being abused?  How do they defend themself, protect

themselves, prove anything? 

When you was a child you spoke as a child: children do not have the vocabulary

as most adults do, that is used against them.

I do know about mental illness: fact is that most people with mental illness are not

dangerous to others, maybe themself but rarely others.  Fact is that society has the fears because of who they behave or speak out of narm, scares them, not they are a threat.

 

A random rant is off topic not a reply to someones post so :P

You showed your views: a child cannot be believed?  they must give proof?

That is a very powerful tool that is used against children, elderly and ill people daily!

 
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July 17, 2007, 5:47 am PDT

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Ok, well, how does one get a paper cut from sexual activity then?  That doesn't make any more sense either.


Men working jobs handling rough and sharp objects have very rough hands.

thier fingers can have broken caulases that would indeed scratch.

Also fingernails can be sharp, expecially if unkept, broken?

many answers can explain it, many.  The biggest problem I see

is the same one teh ER staff seen: it was very late, she cried from

her sleep enough to be taken in to a hospital with no explaination of

how it possibly happened.  The emotions displayed by the child and

adult with her alerted the staff.

It hurts at the time of injury!

 
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July 17, 2007, 6:07 am PDT

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The father did not come up with 5 different reasons for how it happened, he clearly said that he didnt know how it happened and had to speculate as to how it could have happened.

 

But lets look at the facts.

 

-The mother has admitted to coaching her daughter.

 

-The grandmother very clearly has a grudge against this guy.

 

-The mother has a grudge against this guy.

 

-The grandmother has a history of stiring up trouble.

 

-there is NO evidence of molestation.

 

-Kaylee changes her story when interviewed by councilers and adds things in (ie: her father touched her pee pee with a folk).

 

-The father has a mental illness which can explain things like the pauses he makes and his disposition.

 

But for some reason people seem to be stuck on the small tear on her labia, "they touched my pee pee" and the footage of Kaylee crying when her father collects her. Do you think that the latter two could be a result of the mother coaching Kaylee and the tear was not the result of molestation (like the medical examiner said)?

 

Why is it so easy to damn someone when the evidence doesnt support the accusation, yet when the evidence suggests something else it is ignored?

to be respected and believable teh facts should actually be the facts.

 

*Mother admited to her dramatics of emotions coaching more drama.  Common

that some people may say and do that in some situations, as like here.

*The Grandmother did nto grudge anyone until teh child was treated as if

she was a liar and a stranger in the childs life was allowed so much

freedom to abuse, even leavign out the sexual abuse.

*The Mother went out of her way to seek the father to be in Kaylee's life.

even tried hard to not believe harm happened by him after first 2 incidents?

*The Grandmother does not have a history of stiring up trouble unless you call

speaking out against coruption a crime? 

** Kaylee actually did not change her stories, only Jeremy did.  More was added to what

kaylee told over the course of the show regarding what she said, not her changing, but

rather adding to it.   A 3 year old verse a grown man, who's story held water?

** Mental illness is not a pre disposition for crime!  That is absurd!

most people with the kind of disorder he claims is more passive people, problems with self,

not arrogance and abusive.  Also the medication he did not take would not cause waht you describe.

FACT: Accusations that lean so close to a person defending themself or one like them is

a troubling method to show what evidence should be given by a small child? 

Sexual abuse does not leave evidence as so many want.  Fact is that is why most  sexual

abuse to small children is so easily explained away by perpatrators.

I have worked around mental illness: they are the least likely to harm.

medications cannot cause and effect when they are not taken!

 

I will give Jeremy this: when his childs mother invited him to her 2nd birthday party he did come, most like him who choose to stay away and not pay support would not.  He held up well

against his own wife stating she did not understand why Kaylee was afraid to be alone with him.

He also did very well in grudging enough to go after his childs mother repeatedly after the show

to cause her troubles and dispite the harm to Kaylee he persisted until he had her jailed from her newborn and family regardless of his own wife being halfof the decision that caused the confusion to get jail time?  He has little troubles thinking or speaking when he wants something bad enough? He also was very good for some time in agreeing to not be alone with Kaylee.

He should try taking the medication 1 Doctor previously prescribed, maybe it would help him.

The alcohol hasn't. Shame is now though, that counseling was some time ago, he would have to agree to new counseling,  from what I have seen so far to date, he still refuses that, even for

kaylee's best interest? 

 

 
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July 24, 2007, 9:35 am PDT

Jeremy etc.

Me and my girl, 16 ( we live in Holland) , just so the show 's about Jeremy. Today, it is tuesday and we saw the tree shows. We don't know what to believe anymore. This is a show taken in 2006. Is Dr .Phil also on this forum??? What is going on now, is he guilty??? We don't like Jeremy at al, but there are so many people in the US , pffff, what is the word, no, I am not gone say it, but...... Thank God, we live in Holland. I do not believe he did this. There is something goning on, that's for sure. What about het barby story

 

 
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August 17, 2007, 10:37 am PDT

authority's continuating sexual/emotional abuse..

Dear dr.Phil,

 

I dont know if this message will reach you, but I’m willing to try. I saw the shows about Kaylee, Krista, Jeremy and Onii on air in Holland. Here the shows are shown a year later.

 

I think it’s a good!! thing the subject ( and complicity) of sexual abuse of children is brought more to the attention of people wrold wide. For me the shows proved the power of denial, all sings point at Jeremy being guilty, but people keep doubting, can not believe it, he’s guilty. When Jeremy started talking about ‘sleepwalking’, he allready proved his guilt for me, already he was trying to cover himself, in case truth would came out. He’s failing and manipulating tests, come on, how much prove can be given.

 

I think it’s a bad thing Krista is being forced into counceling with the abuser of her daugther, being forced to work things out with this man. In a relationship like this for me it’s very obvious the person with te less love inside is the one determing the relationship.

Instead of the abuser being brought to jail, Krista is the one being threatened with jail, and why? Only for trying to protect her child. I think she’s being traumatized aswell. Who can blame her for doing all what is in her power te protect her child. She’s bringing it into publicity because it’s the only thing for her left she can do. How many sexual abused children are hoping en praying for their mothers’s to rescue  them? How many mothers dónt rescue them? When Kaylee will be able to come out with the truth, I hope she will be heard and acknowleged, and above all, protected.

 

I believe Onii when she’s tells the authority’s dont want the truth to come out. These things with ahthority’s making these kind of mistakes, dont’t only happen in America, they happen all over the wrold. My own experience learned me, most authority’s are not willing to admit making (big) mistakes. Because hiding their own mistakes or cause of loyalty towards their colleges they remain silent. My experience learned me, the continuation of emotional en sexual abuse by authorized person’s is more common than exceptional. For me it’s obvious the authority’s are trying to make Onii look bad by saying she’s stirring trouble an haunting people down. I believe Onii is a brave woman dearing to fight these authority’s, fighting for the truth to come out.

 

Why a gandmother would send a tape of her granddaughter to a wrold wide show, only for getting back at her daughter’s ex husband? It makes no sense!

Why a mother with three cildren to care for would go trough so much trouble only for getting back at her ex? It makes no sense! For me it’s obvious Krista is the one person being wrongly accused of alienating.

 

I hope truth will come out more and more, wroldwide, about the complicity round proving sexual and emotional abuse, and round authority’s CONTINUATE these abuse aswell.

 

A survivor of emotional and sexual abuse.

 

 
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September 11, 2007, 10:46 am PDT

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Dear dr.Phil,

 

I dont know if this message will reach you, but Im willing to try. I saw the shows about Kaylee, Krista, Jeremy and Onii on air in Holland. Here the shows are shown a year later.

 

I think its a good!! thing the subject ( and complicity) of sexual abuse of children is brought more to the attention of people wrold wide. For me the shows proved the power of denial, all sings point at Jeremy being guilty, but people keep doubting, can not believe it, hes guilty. When Jeremy started talking about sleepwalking, he allready proved his guilt for me, already he was trying to cover himself, in case truth would came out. Hes failing and manipulating tests, come on, how much prove can be given.

 

I think its a bad thing Krista is being forced into counceling with the abuser of her daugther, being forced to work things out with this man. In a relationship like this for me its very obvious the person with te less love inside is the one determing the relationship.

Instead of the abuser being brought to jail, Krista is the one being threatened with jail, and why? Only for trying to protect her child. I think shes being traumatized aswell. Who can blame her for doing all what is in her power te protect her child. Shes bringing it into publicity because its the only thing for her left she can do. How many sexual abused children are hoping en praying for their motherss to rescue  them? How many mothers dónt rescue them? When Kaylee will be able to come out with the truth, I hope she will be heard and acknowleged, and above all, protected.

 

I believe Onii when shes tells the authoritys dont want the truth to come out. These things with ahthoritys making these kind of mistakes, dontt only happen in America, they happen all over the wrold. My own experience learned me, most authoritys are not willing to admit making (big) mistakes. Because hiding their own mistakes or cause of loyalty towards their colleges they remain silent. My experience learned me, the continuation of emotional en sexual abuse by authorized persons is more common than exceptional. For me its obvious the authoritys are trying to make Onii look bad by saying shes stirring trouble an haunting people down. I believe Onii is a brave woman dearing to fight these authoritys, fighting for the truth to come out.

 

Why a gandmother would send a tape of her granddaughter to a wrold wide show, only for getting back at her daughters ex husband? It makes no sense!

Why a mother with three cildren to care for would go trough so much trouble only for getting back at her ex? It makes no sense! For me its obvious Krista is the one person being wrongly accused of alienating.

 

I hope truth will come out more and more, wroldwide, about the complicity round proving sexual and emotional abuse, and round authoritys CONTINUATE these abuse aswell.

 

A survivor of emotional and sexual abuse.

 

So many seem to forget that the Grandmother sent the tape to the Dr. Phil staff,

who aired it.  If she is wrong so is Dr. Phil because he aired them.

putting a face to acrime is not as bad as many think it is.  It does get teh attention

to help the victims all over the areas.  It is sad society needs that btu they do, it's been proven over and over.  The reason we do have better laws on abuse from rape to leaving a mark is because of

the media putting a face to the crimes.  It is sad but fact of life.

 

I agree who coudl be allienating when it was Kaylee's Mom who invited the father into her life because he was absent and contributed nothing to her life.  Kaylee's Mom had a man and otehr children, she obviously did not want Jeremy.  As children grow they ask about family, she was trying to get that for her daughter, a choice she will forever regret now?

 

I too KNOW the feelings that stay with you always.  We as a society is much better abotu this topic but we also still have a long way to go.

 

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