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Dr. Phil follows up with Krista and Bonii's quest for the truth, to find out if 3-year-old Kaylee is being molested by her father, Jeremy. Jeremy maintains his innocence even after a polygraph test showed him to be lying. He took another lie detector test at his hometown police department, and brought the results for Dr. Phil to review. What does an independent polygrapher say about this second test? Then, Jeremy asked to undergo hypnosis as another means of getting closer to the truth. Were there any new revelations? And, Jeremy had agreed to supervised visits with Kaylee, but when he got home, he changed his mind, so Krista denied him visitation. They end up facing off in front of a judge. Did Krista serve jail time or let Jeremy see Kaylee? Is Jeremy being falsely accused, or is this little girl still in harm's way? Talk about the show here.

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November 28, 2006, 3:02 pm PST

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I believe in my heart of hearts that Jeremy is guilty.  I have a 3 year old daughter and they don't just make that kind of stuff up.  Even if it was for attention there wouldn't be such emotion behind her statements.  This little girl is being thrown to the lions and she needs to be protected.  I am from Canada and in many ways our systems are similar.  We have many holes in our CPS as well, in both countries they should be investigated.  I new a girl who was removed from her home because her step dad molested her, her younger sister and myself.  She was put into foster care and molested their and then given the choice to go back home.  Jeremy is guilty, the courts and CPS should be investigated. 

I also disagree with many things Dr. Phil said as well.  In a democratic society  it is the peoples right to pickett outside of the court house if they feel an injustice is being done.  That judge needs to know that the people disagree and the public should know as well.  They should not be looked down upon for that.  What the hell else is the Mom supposed to do.  As a mother i can't even begin to imagine what that poor woman is feeling right now.  Police officials as well should always be accountable for everything they do, and if they are doing things they aren't supposed to be doing, their should be citizens their to say its unacceptable and not be made to be quiet because you might annoy them and not get any help when its needed.   If the police aren't doing everything they should because they don't like the grandmother they should be fired.  That disgusts me.  May God help that poor little girl because it seems no one else is going to. 

 
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November 28, 2006, 3:02 pm PST

Masturbation and Guilt

Dear Dr. Phil,

I'm no doctor but, to me, Kaylie, who is an angel, sadly among mere mortals, is feeling guilty about her masturbating, which we all do and feel guilt, though with boys it's just more obvious.  Though I imagine that the emotional repercussions are similar. I would suggest that the powers that be look for concrete evidence of that and also suggest, as part of the mother/grandmother's therapy, a good course in creative masturbation.

To the father, and many other fathers, keep your composure, man, someone has to.

Bless this family.

 
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November 28, 2006, 3:03 pm PST

11/28 Jeremy Returns

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Krista and her mother are coaching Kaylee to say the things she does. If Krista truly believed "100 %" that Jeremy was molesting her then she wouldn't want him to get visitation. She said on today's show that she didn't want to stop his visitations but only wanted them supervised. If that was my child and I was 100% sure she was being molested by her father I wouldn't want him anywhere near her. Why is it that NO ONE in her town, including those to serve and protect aren't helping her; what is it that they know about Krista and her mother that we don't? Something on her side is just NOT right. People are innocent until proven guilty. In order to prove someone guilty there has to be evidence, not just words; the court will not waste their time or taxpayers money to pursue something that the mother is trying to make a fact to make the father look bad and hurt him.

I dont care no court system is always right.  They can look at what's in front of them but don't see the humans in life situations.

 

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November 28, 2006, 3:03 pm PST

you don't have to see physical evidence

I know this because I was sexually molested by my father, older brother, uncles and even strangers...my mother told me I was in diapers when and old man was touching my peepee.....this went on until I was 10 or 11 years old...now I have had many problems with my mental state all my life and I am 58 years old now.  Also, when my grand daughter was 3 years old...I got the surprise and biggest fear in my life....we were in Walmart and my grand daughter told me she had to go to the rest room and while we were in there she said "my peepee hurts mawmaw" and I asked her why and she poked toward her peepee and said " cause daddy does this".  My daughter had her first childat 15, 2nd at 16 and 3rd child at 17.  The father had already broke the femur bone when the second child was 4 months old....The state appointed the father a lawyer and this tookalmost 4 years to get into court....so I know about the court systems and CPS as far as trying to some justice and protection for the abused children ...there is none as far as I have seen....When I took my grandaughter to the ER with blood on her panties...no one would says she had been sexually abused...and I asked them what about the blood on her panties and they said well all that will show is that it is her blood.....well my grandaughter is 20 years old now and has a baby of her own that is 2 weeks old...my grand gaughter never got counseling or therapy and she has lots of problems...her and the father both do drugs and sell drugs...my grand daughter was shooting up drugs into her feet before she got pregnant....now I am very concerned for my great grandchild....  but I personally now many women that were sexually abused when they were young and nobody ever listened just like they didn't with me....you many never see physical evidence...and if the child tells and that upsets everyone then the child learns in a hurry not to talk...because it will cause trouble and then the child feels like they have done something wrong.....so then you can't talk and tell anymore....I know this cause I have been there...and on the show today I can't believe the courts wouldn't give the mother's attorney time to get these very important witnesses to court.....I really believe most time the court is all cut and dried.....but let us not turn a deaf ear to these little girls who tell there mommys that daddy touches there peepee.........I am so infuriated that the judge allowed Jeremy visitation without supervision...
 
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November 28, 2006, 3:04 pm PST

Hit the nail on the head...

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Dr. Phil, have you considered that Jeremy's new wife may be more involved than she is saying? On the prior shows, the child kept saying, "They.....", not "he...", when crying on camera about the molestation. Furthermore, when the new wife picked her up from her mother alone, the kid was clearly terrified of her. I understand that her pregnancy makes the lie detector test unviable, BUT if she turns out to be the predator, as I suspect, she is about to give birth to her own next victim.Jeremy, though his results are not promising, has at least made himself available for every test, whereas no one seems to have considered investigating the wife; for all we know she is participating in the abuse, OR has a boyfriend on the side (is Jeremy certain that her baby is his?) and they are molesting the child while he's at work - this could explain some of the confusion and discreptancies in the child's story. I'm not accusing anyone, I'm just saying that all possibilities should be explored.
That would be too bad for Jeremy, if on top of all this, the one he is settling down with is playing him really dirty.  I guess that would mean --  what goes around does come around. 
 
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November 28, 2006, 3:04 pm PST

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Dr. Phil, have you considered that Jeremy's new wife may be more involved than she is saying? On the prior shows, the child kept saying, "They.....", not "he...", when crying on camera about the molestation. Furthermore, when the new wife picked her up from her mother alone, the kid was clearly terrified of her. I understand that her pregnancy makes the lie detector test unviable, BUT if she turns out to be the predator, as I suspect, she is about to give birth to her own next victim.Jeremy, though his results are not promising, has at least made himself available for every test, whereas no one seems to have considered investigating the wife; for all we know she is participating in the abuse, OR has a boyfriend on the side (is Jeremy certain that her baby is his?) and they are molesting the child while he's at work - this could explain some of the confusion and discreptancies in the child's story. I'm not accusing anyone, I'm just saying that all possibilities should be explored.
 Yes i agree with u i was wondering the same thing about the tapes she always said them or they i think they both might b doing it or she knows hes doing it and i cant believe she is still with that pervert
 
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November 28, 2006, 3:05 pm PST

Jeremy's Wife

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I am curious as to where Jeremy's wife/finacee from the first show is?   She was having doubts on believing him after the first show...and I didnt see where she was referenced at all this time.  Did she leave him?  I know she was pregnant last time, and if I was her I wouldnt take any chances with having a baby around him given all this uncertainty.
At the beginning Dr. Phil stated that Jeremy's wife could not join them at this time because she was due to deliver their child very soon and travel was not recommended.  You must have missed that part.
 
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November 28, 2006, 3:05 pm PST

11/28 Jeremy Returns

First I would like to say- Dr. Phil, where was CPS when that couple had several foster children and they kept the kids in cages for years? Where was CPS when the child in New York died of malnutrition because the mother would not feed her? After any incident that makes the headlines regarding child abuse and the fact that a child died or was treated inhumanely, the question is why didn't CPS remove the child from the home? Why was there no follow up on a child by CPS? The answer from CPS is always- "We are just way under staffed and can't handle all the follow up on all of the cases". There are tons of times when CPS is questioned on why they did not do anything about a case, or why they did not know the situation was so bad, and the answer is always something in regards to under staffing.

Because you are "Dr. Phil" anyone you refer to CPS is going to get attention because of who you are. Please remember, we are just "regular" people out here, and just one of many hundreds or thousands of complaining people. It reminds me of the boy who cried wolf. That is what we are. Just crying wolf is how we are perceived.

 

My husband and I have been going to court date after court date for the last seven, yes seven YEARS just to get court ordered visitation with his son. There have been NO complaints from the mother as far as concerns of the boys well being or safety. She was using him as a tool to to hurt my husband by withholding visitation. We have spent tens of thousands of dollars in court costs and attorneys fees just to be able to see the boy. We have been paying child support regularly and even when she moved over an hour away, we would drive there to pick him up and back home at the end of the weekend. There are a lot of people out there that would not go through all these things just to see the child for a day.The boy was 2 years old when this all started, and he is now 10 years old and it is still not over and probably won't be until he is 18 years old!

I am sorry to be so long winded, but what my main thought to you is that the courts and CPS etc. have too much on their plate and would rather put things on the back burner, or even tell a parent that they are over-exaggerating a situation in hopes that we will feel embarassed about bringing it up and then go home and shut up.

     The judge that we have gone in front of  for the last 8 years is commonly spoken of by all the attorneys in the area as "LET EM' GO VECCHIO". It was no secret. It was very common knowledge.

Please know that the child should be first and foremost and that any of the dealings of the adults should not be done in front of the children. The only thing a child should have to be concerned about as they grow up is what toy they will play with today or what friend are they going to see. In my case, my husband has paid child support for his son almost the boys entire life and all he wants is a guarantee that he will see him every other weekend.During all the court dates we have gone to all these years, the mother said that the boy is not even the biological son of my husband. The biological father is dead and the mother is not only collecting child support from us but is also receiving social security from the government on behalf of the dead biological father. NICE! We do not speak about her in front of the child and never have. On the other hand, the boy comes over and tells us all kinds of stuff the mom says about us. She has had a different boyfriend every year, and has moved more than eight times in these eight years, and he has been in seven different schools.

     Now in contrast to this mess, my ex ran off to New Jersey with his girlfriend when I was pregnant with our son. I raised him on my own until he was eight and then I met my current husband who loves him unconditionally. Now, in my divorce, my ex agreed to pay child support and it is stated in the court signed documents. My son is now 15 and I have seen approximately $500.00 in all these years. BUT>>> I have never once discussed any of  this in front of my son, and when his dad moved back here, he wanted to see our son and I would allow it . When he would call my son and tell him that he was going to pick him up and take him to a movie, and then never show up, I made excuses for him to my son. I would tell him that his dad ended up having to work late etc.

My point is that my son was never brought into the middle of the mess and knowing that my son loves his dad, I would never destroy that.

The only exception would be if there is any form of abuse.

 In these shows with Jeremy, all I have seen is a mom who is trying to follow all the legal rules and get nowhere while the person in question is basically let off the hook. It just does not seem fair. Jeremy is totally off the credibility charts as far as I have seen. He is not concerned that something could be happening to his child and wanting to get to the bottom of it, his is throwing fits and answering questions with outbursts of things that have nothing to do with the question. It is sad and I hope that Dr. Phil's connections can get to the bottom of this no matter what the outcome would be.

 

 
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November 28, 2006, 3:05 pm PST

WHY?

I want to know why Kaylee's mother and grandmother went against Dr. Phil's suggestion to let things calm down? Why did the grandmother allow her 14 year old daughter to date a 21 year old man?  Why did the daughter get back together with and then marry a man she knew was dating an 11 year old while they were broken up?  Why is 3 year old Kaylee STILL in DIAPERS? How was Jeremy supposed to change Kaylee's diapers without "touching" her  to clean her up before putting a clean diaper on her.? Jeremy is a little "off the wall" with some of his responses to questions and doesn't get his thoughts across very well at times, but I don't think he molested Kaylee.  I think this is another case of a divorced mom making accusations of molestation in order to prevent the father from seeing the child/children. I also think the "tax paying" grandmother is making this another one of her vendeta's to make sure the authorities "do what they're supposed to do". 

 
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November 28, 2006, 3:05 pm PST

hmmmmm

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What in the name of life are you talking about? I have not EVER heard of any girl getting a torn hymen or incidents with their anus with from everyday "just because's"!!!! How outrageous.
If I were you, I'd have a long talk with my daughters about what Daddy told them never to tell you, as your message was most alarming. You may be projecting your own denial on Kaylee
 
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