Topic : 11/28 Jeremy Returns

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Created on : Tuesday, November 21, 2006, 02:20:16 pm
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Dr. Phil follows up with Krista and Bonii's quest for the truth, to find out if 3-year-old Kaylee is being molested by her father, Jeremy. Jeremy maintains his innocence even after a polygraph test showed him to be lying. He took another lie detector test at his hometown police department, and brought the results for Dr. Phil to review. What does an independent polygrapher say about this second test? Then, Jeremy asked to undergo hypnosis as another means of getting closer to the truth. Were there any new revelations? And, Jeremy had agreed to supervised visits with Kaylee, but when he got home, he changed his mind, so Krista denied him visitation. They end up facing off in front of a judge. Did Krista serve jail time or let Jeremy see Kaylee? Is Jeremy being falsely accused, or is this little girl still in harm's way? Talk about the show here.

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November 28, 2006, 1:58 am PST

what the hell??

I just finished watching the return episode of Jeremy and I'm so angry. I am a mother of two so I understand, if anyone hurt my kids, I'd would do whatever it took. However I don't believe that is the case here. I believe Jeremy and I think that the mother in law is putting herself in the middle of everything and making it more difficult. Dr. Phil needs to do an interview with just the parents!! Leave Bonii home!!!
 
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November 28, 2006, 2:29 am PST

My support still is with Kaylie

     I really find her father a bit of rude, cocky, male and I truly believed he has abused his daughter Kaylie.  To many inconsistencies in his stories and he seems to get very defensive very quickly when questioned about some of the things he has done with Kaylie in the past.  He needs to voluntarily have chaperoned visitations, he needs to anger management for some of his issues and I am hoping Dr. Phil will step in and help Kaylie become strongly protected b y what is going on.  I look at Jeremy's face and realize it always seems to look like the face that almost has a smile or smirk on it because he got away with something.  I will not forget Kaylie for a very long time if every.
 
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November 28, 2006, 2:37 am PST

What a mess we have made.

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I sometimes wonder if some parents make genital areas so sacred and so scary to even think about that they forget to teach their kids (because they forgot themselves) that it is just skin and is just as prone to injury as any other part of the body.

You make a good point about what we communicate to our children.  We once ignored the possibility of abuse.  Now we are on the lookout for it, sometimes to the wrong conclusion.  Sexual abuse still goes on all the time.  Children often still don't tell, for many reasons--the same old ones, and with newer ones like "getting Dad (or whomever) in trouble and being the cause of a family breakup."  Lord, when will we learn to protect the children?  They can't protect themselves, as we know.  As the "grownups" we must fight the possibility of sending messages to our kids, subconsciously letting them know what we "want" to hear.  What a mess.  A problem, but we should err on the side of the children's safety.  Whay can't we?

 

 
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November 28, 2006, 2:38 am PST

11/28 Jeremy Returns

I think what changed my outlook was the way that the mother was when she dropped Kaylee off to see Jeremy.  She really seems to be egging it on.  She seems to be just saying the words, and not going through the motions.  She barely gets emotional, and if it were MY daughter that someone was abusing, I'd be a heck of a lot more emotional than she is! 

 

IF Jeremy is responsible for it, then fine.  Let the evidence speak for itself.  But right now, there's not much.  The fact that the mother went to court with ONLY heresay evidence just shows me that she doesn't care as much as she says she does.  If she cared she would have done it right the first time, no matter how long it took.  It's not that hard to get people together for a trial, especially professionals.  I know, I do it for a living.

 

I think the mother is really egging her daughter on about this.  If there was abuse in the past, we'll never know now because Kaylee has been hypnotized by her mother into believing that everytime she sees her father she gets abused. 

 
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November 28, 2006, 3:35 am PST

No Surprise...

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I think Jeremy will suprise us all and pass this second lie detector test .

He tried so hard to cheat on the first one...

I wonder if the police officer giving the polygraph is aware of the tricks to pass one.

 

 
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November 28, 2006, 4:11 am PST

Confusion

There is nothing but confusion where all parties are concerned, parents, grandparent, CPS, it's all just a mess.  If everyone is "so concerned" about Kaylee's welfare and everyone wants the best for her how about finding a third party neutral person that Kaylee can stay with for a few months while all this mess is being sorted out. 

 

Have the mom and dad sit her down and tell her:  Kaylee, mommy and daddy want to figure out the best way to help you so we want you to go stay with "this person" for awhile.  You haven't done anything wrong and we all still love you very very much. 

 

All the focus has been taken off of Kaylee and placed onto the warring parents.  Maybe the smart thing would be to take the focus off the parents and place it on Kaylee, refocus this whole situation.  Because what is going to happen is that Jeremy is going to continue to defend himself and the mom is going to continue to accuse him and wonder if he is guilty or not.  The ensuing fights between the both of them is going to cause further harm than good for Kaylee. 

 

The pot of anger is being stirred continually and nothing is being accomplished.  If the parents truly want what is best for Kaylee shouldn't they both be working together to accomplish that?  If not, then it really is all about them.

 

 

Dear Jesus, only You know the real truth about this situation and only You can reveal the truth.  Lord I ask that You give Dr. Phil the truth about the situation.  Lord please soften the mom's heart and Jeremy's heart so that they may regain the compassion they need to see how much Kaylee is hurting.  Lord please help Kaylee, Lord please protect her in a mighty way, place a hedge of protection around her.  Lord please help Kaylee to articulate who is doing what to her, give her clear recollection of what happened and by whom, Lord please give her Your wisdom.  Lord your word says that you are not the author of confusion, so Lord I ask that you bind the enemy who is bringing confusion to this entire situation, I bring this before you Lord and ask for your hand upon this situation in Jesus name Amen

 
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November 28, 2006, 4:22 am PST

PROTECT AT ANY COST!!!!!!!!

Krista is so adament that Jeremy has molested her daughter why in God's name would she not do everything in her power to keep that little girl safe!!!!! I am refering to the fact that this mother wouldn't do 15 days in jail to keep this precious child safe after she is CERTAIN he has molested her!!!!! I would spend years in jail if i felt that strongly about what was going on. My child is worth that plus so much more. I am not saying this guy is innocent but to me Krista is saying well i will keep her away from him cuz i am fearful of what might happen cuz its the worst thing that could happen to a child but then when it is inconvienient to protect her she says ok well it must not be that bad and its not worth the jail time????????  I would rather see a child lose both parents to jail or whatever then to EVER have to go through one more minute of abuse....

 
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November 28, 2006, 4:42 am PST

what a family!

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Something is missing from this whole story.  The dad is for sure "off" with an abusive childhood of his own, bipolar, and a liking for young girls.  Bonii is "off" in her own special ways with her controling ways and passing out fliers and picketing and websites.  CPS and the judge seem "off" from the stand-point that all the mom is asking for is supervised visitation. 

 

Surely they know that they MIGHT be wrong, and that Kaylee could be telling the truth...  even if they feel it's a slim possibility.  What is at risk?  On one hand a father might not have full visitation with his daughter for no reason than a lie.  On the other hand, a little girl might be saved from being abused.  That's not even a close call!  And Jeremy knows now that CPS and the judge are biased against the ladies...  if he is molesting Kaylee, he's now being emboldened to continue.  He has a free pass to molest because Bonii acts like a nut. 

 

By the way, CPS is not called to do a job in ideal, clear cut situations only.  They are suppose to work through the craziness and protect children.  (It IS called CHILD Protective Services, right, not Parent Protective Services?)  If a child is not protected from an abuser, and CPS misses it because of nutty people involved, that is not a pass of blame for CPS.  They still failed to do their job, despite having a difficult case.  And the unprotected child will definitely see it that way.

 

One thing is for sure though:  Kaylee will get older and more believable.  Eventually all will be revealed by Kaylee herself on who is doing wrong.  Either she will be incredibly pissed and damaged for having no time with her father and being made to accuse him of lies, OR she will be incredibly pissed and damaged by the fact that her dad abused her and CPS did NOTHING to stop it.  The truth will come out sooner or later.  The sad part is that either way she will be damaged, and that is an absolute shame.  This little girl has virtually no hope of doing any better than either of her parents, and will probably wind up pregnant at 15, 3 kids by 21, living at home with Bonii, repeating the same abuse and manipulation for her kids.  FOR SHAME!

 

My advice, for what it's worth:  The mom needs to get the hell away from Bonii AND FAST!!!  Cuz Bonii doesn't have sense enough to know she's clouding the issue and making the issue less and less about Kaylee and more and more about Bonii.  Get the focus back on Kaylee.  And every time Kaylee has a mark or sore spot or a complaint, it needs to be documented even if CPS rolls their eyes or yells and screams.  Too bad.  That's their job.  In the meantime, let's all pray that CPS is right, and Kaylee is just a pawn for feuding families.    (Like that isn't horrible in it's own right!)

i cant describe how saddening this story is!who is telling the truth here?everyone ,jeremy,bonii,krista,they all seem to have agendas. and im really upset that kaylee is now a pawn and her family is forgeting something here, to protect that litle girl, JUST in case she is being molested.no none can ever know the pain of being molested unless they have ever been molested. please,lets not take chances here.kaylee is precious, innocent and needs to be protected at all costs. dr.phil, im appealing to you-pls help that little girl. her parents are grown ups who can resolve their issues!
 
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November 28, 2006, 5:08 am PST

Something is truly off

As a person who was sexually abused as a child, I really get a bad feeling from Jeremy.  He's evasive and disingenuous and has been caught in lies on the show time and time again.  I am not saying he is guilty of what they are charging, but I do find the bare facts indicitive of something that is all to familiar.

 

1) Jeremy was having sex with Krista when she was 14 and he was 21.  That's Statutory Rape and a child molestor

 

2) Jeremy failed Dr. Phil's polygraph test and was disingenuous in the one he took with the Michigan Police

 

3) Jeremy cannot seem to keep his story straight in any instance

 

4) Jeremy has been allegedly dating other girls under the age of 18 since breaking up with Krista.

 

5)  Jeremy admitted to drinking while on a serious anti-depressent knowing full well that it would relax him enough to possibly falsify  the results of the poligraph

 

6) Jeremy has no idea how his daughter tore her labia even though he was supposedly around her the entire weekend of the incident.

 

I do know that CPS should never have released Kaylee to her father after her labia was torn.  An immediate recommendation should have been made to the court to cease visitation until the incident was properly investigated.  I also know that there are people within CPS who will make rash decisions based soley on their "experience" and will classify true allegations as false and vice versa based on their personal opinions of the person posing the allegation.

 

I believe that Krista does have her issues but that she shouldn't be judged as immoral because she made a bad decision and was sucked into a relationship with a much older man who should have known she was off limits.  She was taken advantage of and all that really says about her is that she needs to focus on her self esteem and to re-evaluate why she needs to be validated in that way.  A girl of 14 is not fully capable of completely comprehending the consequences of her actions, especially when she is being mislead and preyed upon by a sexual predator. 

 

In truth, Boni should have been more clued in to what was going on in her daughter's life before Krista got to deeply involved with Jeremy.  My mother would have been on the phone with the cops before the guy had even stepped in the door.  Where was Boni when Jeremy was preying on her daughter?

 

I feel that any allegation should be taken very seriously regardless of family history or personal agendas.  It is not fair to the child to relegate them to possibly being continually abused while CPS tries to burn both ends of the candle.

 
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November 28, 2006, 5:35 am PST

An awful lot of specualtion......

There is a lot of speculation going on here....we're ready to convict and sentence based on "evidence" gathered on a TV show. I suppose speculation is all that's really available at this point and this case evokes high levels of emotion....but still, we have to be careful not to "convict" this guy with no real evidence. I agree that it looks really, really bad for him and that the appearance is one of guilt, but that's no basis for condemnation. We simply don't know if he's guilty or not....and we don't know how guilty his ex-wife and ex-mother in law are. There is the possibility that this is all a product of fabrication and coaching on their part.....not really a high probability, but possible. It's happened before. The fact is that realistically, whether he's actually guilty of the very serious crime he's accused of or not, his life is essentially ruined now. His face will forever be associated with someone who molested his own child, whether he actually did it or not. If he did, in fact, molest this child, then we don't have an applicable punishment that is sufficient or severe enough for him.

 

My own (admittedly uneducated) opinion is that child molesters of the type that he is accused of being cannot be rehabilitated sufficiently to ever be trusted around children again. You simply cannot live in our society without coming into contact with children. Therefore, if these people are convicted by evidence, my opinion is that they should never see the outside of a prison again.

 

We cannot, however, publicly convict him or his ex-wife or mother-in-law....we simply don't have enough information.  Polygraph tests are not infallible, as has been proven by this case. That is why they have historically  not been admissible as evidence in many criminal proceedings....they are simply not reliable enough to base a conviction on, but are convincing enough to lay people to be very inflammatory and to wrongly prejudice a jury.

 

However, the interest of the child MUST be first and foremost. This child should NOT be exposed to this situation again until a thorough investigation has been completed and this man completely cleared of all charges. I think that she will bear up MUCH better under the "stress" of not seing her father for a while than she would under the stress of continued molestation (if it has, in fact, occurred).  I would think that Jeremy would see the wisdom of this and cooperate fully, guilty or not...after all, he does profess to have the child's interest at heart.

 

I believe an investigation will eventually bring the truth out. No matter who the guilty parties are, Jeremy or his exes, they should be prosecuted to the absolute maximum extent of the law. Either way, they have harmed this child.

 

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