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Dr. Phil follows up with Krista and Bonii's quest for the truth, to find out if 3-year-old Kaylee is being molested by her father, Jeremy. Jeremy maintains his innocence even after a polygraph test showed him to be lying. He took another lie detector test at his hometown police department, and brought the results for Dr. Phil to review. What does an independent polygrapher say about this second test? Then, Jeremy asked to undergo hypnosis as another means of getting closer to the truth. Were there any new revelations? And, Jeremy had agreed to supervised visits with Kaylee, but when he got home, he changed his mind, so Krista denied him visitation. They end up facing off in front of a judge. Did Krista serve jail time or let Jeremy see Kaylee? Is Jeremy being falsely accused, or is this little girl still in harm's way? Talk about the show here.

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November 28, 2006, 1:30 pm PST

CPS isn't all that

Don't get me wrong, I love Dr. Phil, but I cringe every time he says he's never seen CPS underestimate abuse.  It's happening in my family, and it's a nightmare.  The kids are wards of the state, but the state left them in physical custody of the mother who beat them.  The kids are in their early teens, and can defend themselves physically, but if they do, they are labeled violent and "unable to be controlled by the mother".  If she had done this to an adult, she would have been arrested for assault, but no charges have been filed.  The mother has followed through with counseling, but no counseling was provided to the kids, though it was ordered by the judge.  The juvenile court doesn't seem to care that it's own orders aren't being followed.  The kids never received psyh evals either like they were supposed to.. 

 

Overall, the situation is improving, due to the mother complying with court orders.  But this is the second time this has happened, and as soon as the state was out of the picture last time she quit going to the psychiatrist and counseling, and the abuse resumed.  The dad (who is on my side of the family) will complete a prison sentence in January.  He has never abused the kids and has been sober for years, but I'm sure that won't hold any water in a custody battle because of his legal past. 

 

Other family members have asked the caseworker if we could keep the kids while they and the mother get counseling, but were told if we file any abuse reports on the mother we will be interfering with the rehabilitation of the family and we will get our visits revoked.  I guess I do have to say that I'm happy the court allowed us extended family member to have visitaion, since the mother has kept them from us.  Usually, this is not granted, so the kids did get some justice.

 

I do think Jeremy has abused his daughter.  But I don't have much faith in the CPS system. Maybe Dr. Phil can actually make  difference in this particular situation.

 
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November 28, 2006, 1:31 pm PST

PLEASE READ THIS...OH MY GOSH!

 Iam so upset. When I watch this little girl on the show...I literaly cry. I know from experience how she feels. She doesnt need to be put into another home, like Ive read on other comments. She needs someone to help her. She is crying out for help. Today on the show it showed her comeing home for the first time not saying a word...thats probably because she has realized that no one is obviously going to help her. She cries out everytime she comes back home to the only person she feels like is suppose to help her...her mommy. Dr Phil has got to do something. If nothing is done, and she is continued to be taken and droped off at her dads, where she doesnt feel safe, with no supervision, it will affect her when she grows up. She will have problems trusting people...especially people who she feels like are suppose to be there for her. It will affect her having problems with intamacy with her partner...but most of all, it would be heartbreaking for her to blame her mother for not doing all she could. Dr Phil, I love your show and I respect you very much for everything you do....but you've got to do something NOW. Im not saying a couple of weeks or a month...Im saying NOW. You seem to be the only one who cares enough to do something about this. I can tell her mother tries...but she isnt getting anywhere. Please I know how it feels to be that little girl...and I am BEGGING you, someone or anyone to help this little girl!
 
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November 28, 2006, 1:31 pm PST

11/28 Jeremy Returns

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Neither do mothers, unfortunately.

One item here is very significant.  Kaylee was taken to a doctor who examined her.  After being told that what her father did to her "made her bleed", the physician found no evidence of trauma to the area.

That's what holds weight, with me.  The doctor, the one who is actually trained to recognize signs of abuse, sees no evidence.  What the child says doesn't hold up when compared to her actual physical condition.  Children are suggestible, and if the mother has become convinced that she's been abused, it would be extremely easy to get the child to say things consistent with that story.  That's not new.  Remember Bakersfield, anybody?  The children, I'm sure, believed what they were saying, but what they said did not match the actual facts.

The problem here is that the mother has handled this all wrong.  She's already coached the child into saying what she wants.  If there was ever a grain of truth in the story, it's lost now.

Child abuse is seen in this country as being so horrific.  It is harmful, but there's a difference between harmful and horrific.  The children will survive it and recover if they're allowed to.  Kaylee stands more risk of being traumatized by her face having been plastered over national television by her parents than by sexual abuse at this age.  Responding to suspicions of abuse as though they are proof only makes it worse.  When she began to suspect abuse, the mother should have immediately taken her daughter to a physician and a therapist and gotten a professional opinion on the matter.

At this point, the mother is emotionally invested in being right.  She's not interested in any evidence that lies contrary to her expectations.  This is the worst possible environment for a child to be in, because every word that comes out of the mother's mouth is telling her daughter that she's been abused.  If it didn't happen, Kaylee may grow up still believing that it did, and crippled by that fact.  Our memories are not as solid as we like to think they are.

The father comes off as a jerk, but not necessarily an abuser.  The mother comes off as uninterested in her daughter's welfare--all she wants is to be right.  The daughter may well grow up worse off from those factors than she would from any inappropriate contact.
I agree about most of your comment.  But have you ever been molested or have kids who have been molested?  Children NEVER heal and get over it.  They are emotionally scared FOREVER!!!!!  I have been molested by my brothers friend and my son was molested by a step sibling at his fathers home.  You don't get over it.  That is the most ignorant thing I have heard in awhile.
 
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November 28, 2006, 1:32 pm PST

11/28 Jeremy Returns

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It is true that our opinion as an audience doesnt really matter; this is up to a judge. But, the judge and DA assigned to this case are refusing to listen!

If I were this mother, I would take my other children and run. It is a difficult decision, because it will change their whole lives; but I know people who have been FORCED to do this and there are no regrets!

Are you serious?? The judges and DA are not refusing to listen, they have listened and decide there is no proof of such things. Just because you dont see the inside of a court doesnt mean noone listened.
 
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November 28, 2006, 1:32 pm PST

Mother of 4

I am writing about the show today.  I found it disturbing that Dr. Phil was upset at the mom and grandma for picketing the courts and handing our fliers.  I've been where they are right now.  I had a 4 year old step-daughter that her father, my husband, has custody of still today.  We went through a 3 year court battle, many times my husband was found in contempt of court for not allowing his ex-wife visitations (her husband was the accused).  The courts claimed my husband couldn't bring up criminal court in family court until the man was proven guilty.  We ran from Kentucky to Indiana and moved I would say probably 15 times in that 3 year span.  My husband had about 30 jobs during that time.  So many court dates that he lost his carpentry jobs.  Our family still 9 years later haven't recovered from the trauma.  The man did finally get 20 years in prison.  Biological mom wanted to see her daughter only during the trial time but as soon as he went to jail she has refused telephone calls and visitations and will not pay child support.  My husband was threatened jail time and was fined several times yet now she has no concern to see her daughter although now she has remarried and states she believes her daughter was molested.  We had our daughter checked out by cCPS when she was 3 and they told us she was acting out normal behavior of a 3 year old girl.  She was making sexual movements on other children, dolls, objects etc.,  Nothing was done.  We went to counselors and got nothing.  We went to specialist and got nothing.  Only after we took her to a place called Childrens First in Louisville, KY did they do a full investigation.  The daughter is so mentally messed up she is so very difficult for any of us to manage.  It hurts the other 3 children who have lived with us raising them and knowing of love only.  They don't understand her rage.  Quite frankly I have a hard time and I've been in the same place as she has.  I was molested by my biological mom who was schizophrenic, my father was an alcoholic who french kiss me, I was raped by a friend of my dads at 12.  I was shy where my step daughter wants her father, me, brothers, friends, family etc. to pay and she don't care how she hurts us.  The family is ruined and the man only got 20 years. 

 

Dr. Phil I was disgusted that you judged those two women for doing what they felt they had to do.  You are brought up to believe that this country will protect you as long as you are in the right.  ONly after being through the courts do you realize thats no t so true.  Only in a perfect world.  I'm not trying to say anything bad about CPS but I believe they get so many people who cry wolf that the children who need true protection don't get it.  Therefore, they always believe everyone is out to get their ex. 

 

Also, speaking, I have a sister who is a CPS worker.  She is about messed up in the head as anyone can be.  She had 3 boys and claimed medical problems with them.  She claimed her husband had brain cancer yet he's still alive 20 years later.

 
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November 28, 2006, 1:32 pm PST

Disturbing...

Here's my 2 cents for what it's worth....By looking in Jeremy's eyes, I can promise he's guilty! He looks nervous and cocky! He was worse today when they revealed the 2nd lie detector test report him innocent. He had a smirk as if he got away with it. What goes around comes around. He will pay some day!

 

Although, I disagree with Kaylee's Mom and Grandmother. They are making things worse. It seems that everyone here is more interested in being seen and heard then caring for the child. I would assume if my child came home saying her father hurt her or I saw anything on her, I would be in the ER immediately! I don't care is CPS had a problem with us going to the ER daily! If my child is hurt, I want it documented. The more proof, the better in the courts.

 
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November 28, 2006, 1:33 pm PST

KRISTA

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EVERYONE IS BASHING ON JEREMY BUT YOU ALL NEED TO LOOK AT THE MOM SHE FELD HER POLYGRAGH ON THE QUESTION ARE U COUCHING UR DAUGHTER THINK ABOUT IT SHE JUST WANT TO DO THIS TO RUIN HIM I NO THIS FAMILY AND SHE IS MAD AT HIM SO THIS IS A WAY TO GET BACK AT HIM THE LENGTH PPL WILL GO TO GET BACK AT SOMEONE IS UNBEARABLE BEFORE U JUDGE THINK ABOUT ALL THE EVIDINCE EVEN AGAINST THE MOM AND GRANDMA.

That is the only thing that the mother failed, was question about coaching Kaylee. I don't care who you know or how made one family is at the other!! There is a child involved and that needs to be the main focus here!! DUH!!! Look at the questions that Jeremy, the sick creature, failed!! Those QUESTONS are ALOT more serious than the single 1 questions the mother failed. So you need to look at the evidence against this so called dad Jeremy

 
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November 28, 2006, 1:33 pm PST

PLEASE READ THIS...OH MY GOSH!

 Iam so upset. When I watch this little girl on the show...I literaly cry. I know from experience how she feels. She doesnt need to be put into another home, like Ive read on other comments. She needs someone to help her. She is crying out for help. Today on the show it showed her comeing home for the first time not saying a word...thats probably because she has realized that no one is obviously going to help her. She cries out everytime she comes back home to the only person she feels like is suppose to help her...her mommy. Dr Phil has got to do something. If nothing is done, and she is continued to be taken and droped off at her dads, where she doesnt feel safe, with no supervision, it will affect her when she grows up. She will have problems trusting people...especially people who she feels like are suppose to be there for her. It will affect her having problems with intamacy with her partner...but most of all, it would be heartbreaking for her to blame her mother for not doing all she could. Dr Phil, I love your show and I respect you very much for everything you do....but you've got to do something NOW. Im not saying a couple of weeks or a month...Im saying NOW. You seem to be the only one who cares enough to do something about this. I can tell her mother tries...but she isnt getting anywhere. Please I know how it feels to be that little girl...and I am BEGGING you, someone or anyone to help this little girl!
 
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November 28, 2006, 1:33 pm PST

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I will say it again, 'You are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty', NOT HERE IN AMERICA!!!

If by some slim chance this father is innocent, which after watching the show I do not believe he is who have we harmed by protecting the child.Our duty as citizens are to protect the helpless and put the child's best interest first and foremostsimply called think of the child first. Something has happened to this little one and at least Dr. Phil will get to the bottom so this child can be care for and counseled as she is needed.

We have so many predators in this country who should have thought about what harm theywere bringing to the people they hurt which includes their family as well. How many predators are loose in your neighborhood? We have a least 800 in our state that's one too many for me! The rights of a accused criminal are always held to a higher standard than the victims. When it comes to child safety I would rather err on the side of the child. Children do have a bill of right's!

When I was younger, my parents spanked me as a form of punishment. I reported them to the school authorities when I was 9 because I was angry at them for doing so and wanted them to be as angry and as hurt as I was.

Needless to say, because of my Bill of Rights, my parents were wrongly accused of sexually molesting me. There was no evidence, yet the school was convinced something was wrong. Yeah, something was wrong, they neglected me, and then punished me for eventually having my existance disrupt their lives.

I personally feel that in America you should be PROVEN GUILTY before you are told you are guilty. Where I live, 9 out of 10 reported child molestation cases are benign.
 
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November 28, 2006, 1:33 pm PST

remy returns

the mother is coaching the little girl. the courts or noone else can find evidence of sexual abuse but dc. phils people. the mother is going to ruin this childs life
 
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