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Topic : 11/28 Jeremy Returns

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Created on : Tuesday, November 21, 2006, 02:20:16 pm
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Dr. Phil follows up with Krista and Bonii's quest for the truth, to find out if 3-year-old Kaylee is being molested by her father, Jeremy. Jeremy maintains his innocence even after a polygraph test showed him to be lying. He took another lie detector test at his hometown police department, and brought the results for Dr. Phil to review. What does an independent polygrapher say about this second test? Then, Jeremy asked to undergo hypnosis as another means of getting closer to the truth. Were there any new revelations? And, Jeremy had agreed to supervised visits with Kaylee, but when he got home, he changed his mind, so Krista denied him visitation. They end up facing off in front of a judge. Did Krista serve jail time or let Jeremy see Kaylee? Is Jeremy being falsely accused, or is this little girl still in harm's way? Talk about the show here.

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November 28, 2006, 2:57 pm PST

I would sit in Jail too, but.........

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I tried to have an open mind when I watched the first show about Jeremy.  I then decided that Jeremy seemed to be guility.  My heart  went out to this child , her mother, & grandmother.  However, after today's show I'm not really sure how I feel.  It seems that Krista & Bonnie did things that did not seem to have Kaylee's best interest in mind.  If I thought for one second that my child was being molested or abused I don't care how long I would have to sit in jail, I would do whatever was necessary to  keep her safe (even hide her).  However, Krista did not want to go to jail for 15 days (to keep her child safe & make a bold statement to all involved), but was willing to hand out 700 flyers & picket in front of the court house, & put up a billboard.   It just doesn't make sense to me.  Also, Dr. Phil advised them to calm things down for Kaylee's sake & go about things properly.  To me it seems that they did not take his advice.  It also seems to me that Krista prompts Kaylee for answers that she wants to hear.  If Kaylee was upset or had something to tell her mom when she came home from these last visits I'm sure as vocal as she is, she would have told her mom without it be drug out of her.  I'm not saying that Jeremy hasn't at least made very bad parenting decisions, along with Krista, but I'm not so sure anymore that he is guilty.  It seems to me that maybe Kaylee would be better off with someone else (at least for now).  I originally thought that Bonnie might be a good choice, but after seeing some of her actions on today's show & what law enforcement had to say about her I have changed my mind about that too.  It seems that Kaylee is being forgotten.  I went thru a very nasty divorce & custody battle.  I was accused of things that were absolutely not true.  I wasn't happen with these accusations, but I knew that I had done nothing wrong & in the end the truth would prevail.  It makes me wonder if that might be what's going on here.  Also, Krista remarked that she has 2 other children at home.  Where are these children's fathers?  Maybe Krista & Bonnie want all of these children & no fathers around.  Where is Bonnie's husband.  It seems that other than Jeremy there is no other male figure around Kaylee. 

I would sit in jail too to keep my kids safe, BUT Kaylee would have gone to Jeremy for the 15 days she was there. That wouldn't have been good. That whole court deal should not have happened that way. It was the courts fault that he wasn't made to have supervised visits.

I know Krista, and Boni have made a lot of mistakes, and they haven't done things correctly either.They made me mad today, but all you have to do is listen to Jeremy for 2 minutes and you can tell he is lying about something.

 
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November 28, 2006, 2:57 pm PST

Jeremy is lying

I think Jeremy is totally lying. I mean, you could tell it in the first show. His eyes were back and forth, and he took so long to answer the questions that Dr. Phil asked him. I hope someone gets to the bottom of all of this so this little girl can be safe. I understand Krista getting so upset, if it were happening to me, I would be just as disgusted.  Everyone must come together and help this little one before it is too late.
 
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November 28, 2006, 2:58 pm PST

lets think about this one shall we?

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  If this man is innocent, why is he so defensive?  And why does he have a really nasty attitude?
A: he his being accused of a nasty, evil, and sick crime of his own KID B: his ex Wife wants to destroy him C: he knows that once a person is aaccused of hurting a child you life is over and no room to start over   D: mods and sick people with views like you can make any one have a nasty attitude.   When I was in foster care I for one never could have a normal life while still in the state's care. I had a really nasty attitude and was always on the sefensive with people when they found out about my LDS back round I fore one am an athest(sp) because of people like you who want to forgo the proof and want to condem people and get mobs with pitch forks and torchs to go after people because of hear say or such things.   now for me I see my self as a wise person and a honorable person so I tend to try to stay in the gray but its hard when people want to just say guilty when their not.
 
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November 28, 2006, 3:00 pm PST

Wouldn't YOU have a nasty attitude?

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  If this man is innocent, why is he so defensive?  And why does he have a really nasty attitude?
he's been convicted on the streets by these women without a fair trial, his relationship with his daughter has been virtually ruined, he has to go on national television to defend himself from a crime that has absolutely not been proven, and he has to put up with flyers all over his town making statements that could turn out to be false, yet he will undoubtedly pay for them no matter the outcome!  Wouldn't YOU have an attitude?
 
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November 28, 2006, 3:00 pm PST

Everybody involved needs help.

I complety think that this father is guilty. He can't answer a single question with a straight answer, he always tries to turn the attention on him into what he thinks the mother is doing wrong. I don't think  innocent until proven guilty should apply when it come to child molestation, if there is any doubt about someones innocience. I also dissaguree with Dr. Phil about the good job that CPS is doing. Being in the child care profession gives you a chance to work with these state employees and I have had a problem with every single one. They were not professional, and if everybody with a job took as much time accomplishing something as these people have, nothing in this world would every get done.
 
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November 28, 2006, 3:00 pm PST

They are not coaching her

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Krista and her mother are coaching Kaylee to say the things she does. If Krista truly believed "100 %" that Jeremy was molesting her then she wouldn't want him to get visitation. She said on today's show that she didn't want to stop his visitations but only wanted them supervised. If that was my child and I was 100% sure she was being molested by her father I wouldn't want him anywhere near her. Why is it that NO ONE in her town, including those to serve and protect aren't helping her; what is it that they know about Krista and her mother that we don't? Something on her side is just NOT right. People are innocent until proven guilty. In order to prove someone guilty there has to be evidence, not just words; the court will not waste their time or taxpayers money to pursue something that the mother is trying to make a fact to make the father look bad and hurt him.
How do you explain the little girl clinging onto her mother, so that she did not have to go with him. That is not acting. Did you hear her cry? That doesn't sit at the bottom of your stomach? What kind of a person does this to a child...and what kind of person defends these people?
 
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November 28, 2006, 3:01 pm PST

Judge in Michigan

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 Iam so upset. When I watch this little girl on the show...I literaly cry. I know from experience how she feels. She doesnt need to be put into another home, like Ive read on other comments. She needs someone to help her. She is crying out for help. Today on the show it showed her comeing home for the first time not saying a word...thats probably because she has realized that no one is obviously going to help her. She cries out everytime she comes back home to the only person she feels like is suppose to help her...her mommy. Dr Phil has got to do something. If nothing is done, and she is continued to be taken and droped off at her dads, where she doesnt feel safe, with no supervision, it will affect her when she grows up. She will have problems trusting people...especially people who she feels like are suppose to be there for her. It will affect her having problems with intamacy with her partner...but most of all, it would be heartbreaking for her to blame her mother for not doing all she could. Dr Phil, I love your show and I respect you very much for everything you do....but you've got to do something NOW. Im not saying a couple of weeks or a month...Im saying NOW. You seem to be the only one who cares enough to do something about this. I can tell her mother tries...but she isnt getting anywhere. Please I know how it feels to be that little girl...and I am BEGGING you, someone or anyone to help this little girl!
The little girl is crying out for help and you can imagine the fear she has to go through going to her dad's but the judge not listening to the mother is what anger's me. I have a friend that is going through a similar incident, she has a little girl that she was fighting custody for, again this was in Michigan. The mother was from Arkansas but had moved to Michigan with her husband, her mother was having a lot of medical problems and this woman was having marital problems, going through counceling, etc. She went back to Arkansas to help her mother taking the little girl with her, while in Arkansas, she decided to stay because her little girl had asthma really bad and she didn't have any problems whatsoever living in Arkansas. She had been in Arkansas for 6 months, in the meantime the father of the child came to Arkansas with an order from the court to take the little girl back to Michigan. The mother of the child filed papers in Arkansas for custody but since he filed in Michigan first, Arkansas gave jurisdiction as to which state would handle the custody case, naturally the father won. This lady had to drive from Arkansas to Michigan every other week to court hearings, etc. The judge finally gave the father custody and told the lady if she wanted to share custody, he could have the baby one week, her the other, and so on and so forth. It is over 500 miles one way to travel to Michigan. If she didn't drive back and forth she would be in contempt of court  so the lady had no choice but to move back with her husband in order to be in the child's life! I don't know if all Michigan judge's are this uncaring for the sake of the child or not but listening to the case of this child, the judge is not concerned with the safety of the child as did the judge with my friends case, how unstable would that type of environment be being passed from one to the other every other week, what in the world is wrong with the Michigan judicial system! My friend living in the United States of America was forced to live in a state she didn't want to live in just because a judge had the control of three lives that he had no idea would be affected by his decision. I just hope the judge can live with himself and this judge as well when this   child's life depends on his decision.
 

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November 28, 2006, 3:01 pm PST

I've Never Seen a More Vindictive Woman

The mother of this little girl oozes hate out of every pore of her body. I wouldn't trust her any further than I could throw her. It's obvious she would go to any length to hurt someone she feels has wronged her. Is Jeremy guilty? Only he knows that. But this mother is emotionally dangerous to her child. She's a publicity-hound and  vengeful beyond imagination. I think SHE could use some psychiatric intervention.
 
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November 28, 2006, 3:01 pm PST

the best interest of the child

Being a person who was abused when she was little. i dont feel in anyway that the child is not being honest. The child is not being coached by her mother and grandmother.   the same thing happen in my hometown and the plice arrested the guy after it was to late, he had attacked other girls and killed one of them.  Jeremy needs to be arrested and put in jail for taking the innocence of a little girl.
 
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November 28, 2006, 3:02 pm PST

Unbiased Comment

First I want to say to every one that is involved with this case that I realize that you may not agree with what I have written here but that I am doing my best to look at this from an unbiased point of view and that I truly do not wish for any child to be hurt.  I also want every child to have healthy and good relationships with both of their parents if possible.

I think that in order to truly find out what is going on the child should be sent to live with non - biased family members and/or with a foster family for a period of 3 months. 

During that time the father should be subjected to supervised visits so that no further damage can be done.  The mother and grandmother should go through the same supervised visits so that mom and grandmother cannot influence the child. 
 
If during the supervised visits the child still complains about current behaviors from daddy with mommy even though the visits were supervised a counselor should be brought in to speak with the whole family. 

If the child says nothing more about being hurt by daddy lately but tells the foster parents of past problems without coaching then investigation of the matter should be done immediately.

Trained specialists should be brought in to watch Jeremy with his daughter at play to look for mannerisms which could lead to touching in a setting that is not being closely guarded. 

I have not heard in all of this any classic mannerisms from the child that would suggest molestation.  How does she play with other children?  Does she touch other children in play that would be considered bad?  Does she act out?  Are there extreme lows and highs with her in one sustained environment even though she should be happy and playing?  Does she get angry and lash out physically?  Does she actively seek out attention or does she sulk and not want to be hugged at all? 
 
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If Jeremy disclosed his use of RX drugs to the lie detector test person why was it not made note of in the beginning.  Wouldn't he be given the information ahead of time.  If it truly would affect his test would they even allow it?  Why is it that the father saw his child and visitation with her to be so important that he would drink so close to having such a test while being on medication. 

 
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