Topic : 11/28 Jeremy Returns

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Dr. Phil follows up with Krista and Bonii's quest for the truth, to find out if 3-year-old Kaylee is being molested by her father, Jeremy. Jeremy maintains his innocence even after a polygraph test showed him to be lying. He took another lie detector test at his hometown police department, and brought the results for Dr. Phil to review. What does an independent polygrapher say about this second test? Then, Jeremy asked to undergo hypnosis as another means of getting closer to the truth. Were there any new revelations? And, Jeremy had agreed to supervised visits with Kaylee, but when he got home, he changed his mind, so Krista denied him visitation. They end up facing off in front of a judge. Did Krista serve jail time or let Jeremy see Kaylee? Is Jeremy being falsely accused, or is this little girl still in harm's way? Talk about the show here.

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November 28, 2006, 6:06 pm PST

Public Mutiny

This was the worst!!!  This should be in a court of law for judge and jury to properly decide...NOT THE PUBLIC!!!!!  Are we not in America???? What happened to "innocent until proven guilty"????? As for the polygraph...HUH...*snicker*..... I am studying to be a paralegal and ironically, I have researched the polygraph from both angles...advocate and anti....for a research paper.  To read, see, and hear that Jeremy is being judged, NOT by a court of law, BUT BY THE PUBLIC ("couch jurors")....(what if it was YOU being accused of such a malicious crime?????)....it makes me sick to see this judgment based on a POLYGRAPH!!  Polygraph tests are not even admissible as evidence in federal court and many state courts...so why are you using it here to "convict" Jeremy???  Why are they not admissible???? Because the polygraph is unreliable and inaccurate!!! The way I see it, and I don't mean to incriminate anyone here, is that even if Jeremy is guilty it is not up to the public to judge him it is up to a court of law. If he really did commit such an act, why did the mom not press charges????? That would have been the first thing I would have done. Shame on her for bringing this to the public and shame on him for even subjecting himself to this animosity!!!!!
 
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November 28, 2006, 6:08 pm PST

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Why would Jeremy get Kaylee if mother goes to jail for 15 days.?Have the child stay with someone she trust that will keep her safe and away from him and spend your 15 days. I would do it a thousand times to make a statement that I feel he is not fit to have her at this time. Maybe then the judge would see this and grant them what they want.
 
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November 28, 2006, 6:08 pm PST

NO BRAINER

I DONT UNDERSTAND! IF I WAS KAYLEE'S MOTHER AND I FELT I DID EVERYTHING I COULD (LEGALLY) TO KEEP THAT CREEP JEREMY AWAY FROM MY DAUGHTER AND WAS STILL NOT GETTING ANY LEGAL HELP - I WOULD PACK UP AND RUN AWAY WITH HER. YOU DO WHATEVER YOU NEED TO TO KEEP YOUR BABY SAFE. I WOULDNT LET THAT PERV NEAR ANY CHILD UNDER 18, AND WOULD MAKE SURE BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY THAT HE NEVER TOUCHED HER AGAIN. PEOPLE LIKE THAT DO NOT CHANGE. MOVE OUT OF THE COUNTRY OR SOMETHING. ONE MORE THING - I THINK THE THE GRANDMOTHER IS ACTING LIKE A DIRT BAG. SHE ALMOST SEEMS AS THOUGH SHE WANTS SOME SORT OF ATTENTION OUT OF ALL THIS. I DONT THINK ALL HER EFFORTS ARE IN KAYLEE'S BEST INTEREST. MY GOD, HANDING OUT FLYERS, COME ON. PHIL - TELL HER TO SHUT IT AND ACT LIKE A GRANDMOTHER. I WILL KEEP KAYLEE IN MY PRAYERS EVERY NIGHT. LETS ALL HOPE THE PARENTS/GPARENTS CAN START ACTING LIKE IT SO KAYLEE WILL GROW UP FEELING LOVED RATHER THAN A TOOL. AS FAR AS JEREMY - BURN IN HELL. WE ALL KNOW YOUR LYING. DR. PHIL HASNT SAID IT BUT HES NOT STUPID. HE KNOWS YOUR GROSS.  
 
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November 28, 2006, 6:08 pm PST

AGREE!

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It is a very sad day when a child is "apparently" used as a pawn between the break up of parents.    Who is to truely know if this child has been molested or not?  There is no hard evidence to support the mothers claim except what seems to be coaching. The Grandmother, I truely believe, only wants her grandchild to be safe.  Although her methods are not what I would consider to be what is in the best interest of the child.  Plus, if I were to truely believe that my child were at risk of being molested by my child's father she would NEVER EVER go back and I don't care how many day's I would be spending in jail or what I would have to do to keep my child away from the offender.

The father is another story  he needs help.  He has no understanding of the complexity of the messed up situation that he is involved in.  He must be of a simple mind because anyone who would truely care about their child and anyone who would be accused of this horrible crime would want to clear their name and get to the bottom of this.

My question is...if its not the father who is doing this and this child is making these accusation's, who else might be doing this to her? or Better yet what disturbed person would want to be putting these disturbed images and thoughs in this small child's mind?
I agree with you when you say the child is apparently being used as a pawn between the break up of the parents. I also agree with you when you say there is no hard evidence.  Lets look at the child here. Kaylee is the victim in a number of different ways. This incident with her will scar her for life, and I just feel bad for Kaylee. You also put something into perspective for me. The father or Jeremy does not understand the complexity. I agree completely with that statement. Nice Post, it's nice to know somebody out there can see through this mess.
 
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November 28, 2006, 6:09 pm PST

Dr. Phil missed the boat

Dr. Phil missed the boat here - he is letting this guy off way to easy.  His two experts said that he was totally deceptive.   Why aren't you just reading him the riot act.  As for the mother - I would not only go to jail but I would go into hiding if necessary to protect my daughter.  NO ONE is talking about the torn labia - it didn't just happen!  This guy is obvioiusly guilty and Dr. Phil is going soooooo easy on him.  I'm very disappointed.

 
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November 28, 2006, 6:10 pm PST

Look just use your head!

 A 2 cm tear on a 3 year old's labia doesn't "just" happen for no reason. Unless she was in gymnastics and fell and did the splits on a balance beam (without a diaper). She was in the care of an adult of which she stated she wants him to stop hurting her peepee. Hmmmmm.... Just where are the police in this? Child protective Services obviously aren't the greatest, but a tear doesn't happen without a trauma. Jeremy has obviously been consulting a criminal defense attorney which is why he hasn't cooperated with anything that doesn't put him in the most positive light for future criminal charges. He knows what he is (pedophile) and he knows what he has done and will continue to do once he feels confident his prey (children) is vulnerable. It would be nice if these predators would be prosecuted BEFORE leaving a trail of abuse of multiple victims. Seriously why do we wait until the victims are older and there are multiple accounts? A father's right should never outweigh a child's right to have a safe and healthy environment. A father that violates his child's rights should lose ALL of his rights. Simple.
 
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November 28, 2006, 6:11 pm PST

11/28 Jeremy Returns

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Note to Dr. Phil... I am a Grandmother who has been worried about my 5 year old granddaughter since she was about 5 months old. I have always thought her "father" and I use that term very loosely, has been sexually abusing her, as well as emotional and physical abuse. My granddaughter had demonstrated some disturbing actions and made statements that led me to believe she was being abused. My daughter is stuck in this very abusive relationship and she doesnt know what to do. Unfortunatley, I was in the same situation withe her father many years ago. My daughter was sexually mistreated by her stepfather and I didnt do anything. I have lived with that guilt for years now. I finally got my head on straight 7 years ago and now I see the error of the choices I made back then and how there are perpetuating through the generations. I am trying to stop that cycle with my granddaughter but I feel it is too late. The DHS has been out to my daughters house on more than a few occasions. I had to raise my granddaughter for 6 months because  the father and the other grandmother, as well as my daughter were accused of physical abuse of my granddaughter. During the time she was with me, she shared many stories with me that I just couldn't take. I called DHS and shared with them what she had told me and I was told that unless my granddaughter explicitly stated she saw naked bodies there was nothing they could do. She was 4 at the time.... she new enough to tell me what she saw and what she was made to do with her other grandmother of all people.

 

So... when I hear you say that you just don't believe that Child Protective Services would not follow up on a complaint I have to disagree. This was in Arkansas and they said they would make sure that my call was documented but they did not see any cause for an investigation. Maybe you should do a show on the breakdown of this system in America. My daughter and the father both got off from the charge of abuse and I had to return my beautiful granddaughter back to them. She went from a very angry, uncontrollable, raging little 4 year old to a sweet little girl who said her prayers at night, flowering little girl in the 6 months I had her. I have since watched her return to the angry, frustrated little 5 year old that she is now.

 

Please Dr. Phil.... don't turn a blind eye the reality of the Child Protective Systems in this country. I am sure there are many offices that do the job they are supposed to do.... but the one in my county...... has much to be desired.

 

Frustrated Grandmother feeling helpless in Arkansas.

I totally agree with Frustrated Grandmother.  Dr. Phil, you are off the mark on this one.  I emailed your show two weeks ago regarding a case involving DHS in Arkansas.  It does not involved child molestation, but it does involve my niece who was 6 months old at the time and tested positive for methamphetamine.  Long story short, my husband & I were granted custody of her for 9 months and she has since been returned to her mother.  You see, in Arkansas unless a heinous crime has been committed against the child, apparently being drug addicted at 6 months IS NOT heinous, then the goal is always reunification with the parent.  We had numerous problems with Arkansas DHS and were called "baby stealers" by the DHS attorney.  Dr. Phil, I think you need to look into some of these cases and report on the failing of the system that is in place to protect the children.  The only people DSH/CPS or whoever is looking out for is the parents and their rights, not the children. 

 

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November 28, 2006, 6:11 pm PST

WHY?

are all of you blaming Jeremy? Did no one see that the mother failed the lie detector too? for coaching the child? I don't know if this guy hurt that little girl  - but i know the mother has, by her own admission. and by what it showed on tape w/ her alienating that child from her father. Grandma needs to butt out.
 
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November 28, 2006, 6:11 pm PST

SOMETHING IS WRONG!!!!!!!!

I live in Michigan and I have been watching this from the beginning, and it really upsets me that HE, Jeremy, is STILL getting to see his daughter without being suppervised.  There is something wrong.  If I was the mother I would have a VERY hard time from beatting the living daylights out of him.  I have been in the court house before and been a part of child abuse, my exhusbend was sent to prison for 4 years for having sex with a 12 year old little girl, and he addmitted to it, and all he got was 4 years behind bars.  WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?????????  Do these people in CPS and the courts realize what it does to a child when this has happened to them??? I GUESS NOT!!!!!  Where are the rights for the children and the family members that want to help the children?  I really feel if this was in another state this would be handled defferently.  I have NO faith in the Court system in Michigan.  Not just because of little Kaylee, but because I have seen it with my own eyes.  Why can't Dr Phil make a recomendation?  He is a highly respected person.  I do not understand why the people in power can not see through him.  I am not a doctor and to me he looks like he is lieing.  He can not sit still and will not look people in the eye when he is talking to them or asked a question.  Plus all the things that have been talked about, and how does a 3 year old girl come up with "THEY TOUCHED MY PEE PEE"!!!!!  It does not happen.  I have a daughter and she has NEVER said that and she is 15 now.  I really believe something is wrong.

 A Concerned Parent

 

 
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November 28, 2006, 6:11 pm PST

11/28 Jeremy Returns

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Of course he told her to say that.  I just think that Mom has to be careful about which things she brings up.  She has been unfortunately portrayed as by CPS as overreacting.

 

 

Maybe because she has? 
 

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