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Dr. Phil follows up with Krista and Bonii's quest for the truth, to find out if 3-year-old Kaylee is being molested by her father, Jeremy. Jeremy maintains his innocence even after a polygraph test showed him to be lying. He took another lie detector test at his hometown police department, and brought the results for Dr. Phil to review. What does an independent polygrapher say about this second test? Then, Jeremy asked to undergo hypnosis as another means of getting closer to the truth. Were there any new revelations? And, Jeremy had agreed to supervised visits with Kaylee, but when he got home, he changed his mind, so Krista denied him visitation. They end up facing off in front of a judge. Did Krista serve jail time or let Jeremy see Kaylee? Is Jeremy being falsely accused, or is this little girl still in harm's way? Talk about the show here.

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November 28, 2006, 8:56 pm PST

i guess nobody close to you has been molested

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Talk about coaching though.............the mom said, "I don't want you to go, but you have to."  Also she openly talks to the camera in front of the child.  Is that in the child's best interest?  Even if this did happen, the mom is making the child into a circus act and she and her mother are the heavily burdened caretakers.  I say to her be a real mom.  She lost all credibility with me tonight when I saw her on video and saw her conversations with the child.  I think there is more to this.  Jeremy may not be perfect by any means, but mom and grandma need help. 
The camera in the car looked to be hidden to me.  Yes, maybe this behavior needs some adjusting.  I would be doing anything and everything for my little girl with the information they have.  Even if he is not doing the molesting, there is enough done to put a hold on him being alone with that child!!!  Or any child for that matter!
 
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November 28, 2006, 8:58 pm PST

This is what I think is REALLY going on!

I try not to watch the show when these particular guests are on because I get so angry!! It's like no one knows what they're doing! When a little girl makes allegations like that out of the blue...you DON'T disregard them! He is molesting her. He's a disgusting person and you can tell every single time he lies about something, like today when he lied about dating a 12 year old. I think everyone is letting this poor little girl down, HER DAD, the judge, the CPS workers, and anyone else involved in this except her mother and grandmother. I have to congratulate them on their patience and perseverance. I mean these idiots who say they're not doing anything to protect her, and talking about how their picketing the courthouse was a bad idea absolutely piss me off!!!!  She's apparently done everything she can AND more!! She's on the Dr. Phil show for crying out loud!! I agree with her when she says it's like everyone's is against her, and especially against her 4 year old daughter since everyone refuses to help in ANY way!!! And think, Jeremy said he would agree to supervised visitation until everything was done with...he could just not stay away, or "out" of his little daughter. He's absolutely repulsive. I don't know how he sleeps at night, and I hope he BURNS in HELL!!
 
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November 28, 2006, 8:59 pm PST

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I have three children ranging in age from 14 to 7. I am a woman who became preganant at an early age (15) and I have watched both shows with Jeremy and Kaylee's mother and grandmother.I understand thier story and agree with their plight aginst Cps.  I feel compelled to write this message because I myself have been in a similiar situation. Heres why: I feel angry when people stick up for CPS or in Illinois as it is called DCFS because in more situations than not I feel as if they are not helpful in various ways. My daughter is now 14 years old when she was 13 she began developing as most young girls do. She and her brother have always been allowed to see thier biological father because I believed that they were always safe and protected when they were with him. My daughter went to spend the night with her father and the following morning I received a phone call from my daughter that was my worst nightmare-she asked me where I was (which was odd because she knows my schedule) and knew I was working at the time-she then proceeded to ask where her stepfather was which she also knew he was working-when I asked her why she wanted to know she said that she wanted to go home-so I told her to tell her father to bring her home at around noon so that she would not have to be home by herself-she said no she needed to come home right now and began crying-when I asked her why she was crying she said that she just wanted to go home so I told her to call me as soon as she got there to let me know that she was okay. About thirty minutes later she called me back hysterical-when I asked her what was wrong she said that she had went to sleep and was woke up by someone touching her bottom-she moved the persons hand not thinking because she was still half asleep-she felt someones hand again this time in the front of her pants towards her crotch and she moved it and turned around and it was her father. She asked him why he was doing that and told him he wasn't supposed  to touch her there and her father then got up and left the room. Before he left he told her that she wasn't to tell anyone and she said you know I have to tell my mom. He left the room and my daughter laid there until she knew I was at work and then called me. I left work immediately and after speaking with my daughter I called the police -they came to our house and asked my daughter questions and then asked for us to follow them to the police department so that she could speak to a child detective. Her father was arrested that evening and questioned and also put in jail. The detective called to say that he had denied any wrong doing but that my daughters story seemed more credible than his so he was put in jail. Following the arrest I was told to contact the states attorney to see about charges being filed -after about a month of phone calls I was told there would be no charges filed because the case was built on "hear say." Following this I received a visit to my home by DCFS and was questioned as to my past and information about myself and the raising of my children. About a month later I received a subpeona in the mail from DCFS for my daughter and I to go to a hearing about what had taken place. Understandibly my daughter was upset having to be in the same room as the person (her father) who had done this to her. I let my daughter know that this would be held in a secure setting and that she would not have to be near her father unless a judge and police or baliff were near him. Here is where the biggest problem begins-When we show up for the hearing we walk through the front doors; past her father, his wife, his girlfriend and his mother all sitiing in the same waiting room as us-my daughter starts shaking and crying because she is in the same room with the man who I said I would protect her from. We were eventually ushered into a room with the child detective but close enough to all the others that we could hear them talking about such things as why they do not understand why I am trying to keep my children from their father, etc. It was determined that during the trial my daughter could stay in the other room until she was called to testify. I was visibly shaken and angry about the whole situation and told by the judge to get a grip on my emotions while I sat only inches away from the man I intrusted the care of my daughter to and he took all that trust and her innocence away from her. While I sat answering questions the judge asked I also got to watch the judge give my daughters father the choice of whether or not he wanted to have my daughter come in and testify against him. Thank god his mother was there to sway him not to force her to do this. My first problem is that I feel that without penetration in the states attorney eyes, DCFS eyes and the local police department they feel as though a crime has not been commited...My second problem is that in this day and age there are millions of domestic violence incidences where things get really ugly and shootings and what not can occur. I took my daughter to this hearing number one because we had no choice in the matter we either went or faced jail time, also I did not think that we would be anywhere near him until we testified and also would have thought victims would have had another entrance than the accused did. I felt like my daughter trusted me two times and felt betrayed by me: One when I let her be around her father and this happened and Two definitely when I told her not to worry there was no way DCFS would make her be around her father without some sort of protection. Throughout all of this DCFS founded the case which means absolutely nothing other than his name and offense will be entered into a computer and the next time he does this (to another child)if there is no evidence there will be something sayin he was accused before. This is great but it does nothing for my daughter and what she has been through. This trial was held in the summer of '06 and there has been no other correspondence or action from DCFS to us. I feel like I would have been arrested if I let my daughter be around her father after this occured and I have taken all the precautions I can to make sure that she would always be safe from that but don't feel like DCFS had the childs interest or emotions at heart or that they used their authority in the proper manner-not to mention that her father has four other children with his current wife that he lives with and is around daily. How is this Protecting Children? Isn't DCFS an abbreviation for Department of Children and Family Services? No thanks, I don't want or need your services.....So please try to have an open mind when you're listening to a mother and child who are not being protected by people who are being paid to protect them.
That's crazy. It angers me. I guess we have to learn to take things into our own hands, but then if we do that then we get in big trouble, but if we do what you did above justice is not served. Our systems are so messed up.
 
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November 28, 2006, 9:00 pm PST

11/28 Jeremy Returns

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I can't understand why this Jeremey person is still able to visit with this poor scared little girl without supervised visitation!!!!  The mother has not tried to keep Jeremy away from his daughter, she is just asking for his visits with her to be supervised.  Is that too hard to do??  At least until the truth is found.  It is obvious that the child's safety is not a priority.

Please someone make sure this precious little child is protected!!!!

I am a foster parent, and have dealt with good and bad CPS workers.  I do see that a lot of the time the "parents good name" is considered more important than a child's safety.   How very sad that makes me.  I pray for all of those precious little children that have no voice.

Apparently supervised visitation is too hard to do.. Stupid Judges..Inconciderate, ignorant judges.  I'd like to see what they'd do if it were thier grandbaby being abused.  I bet supervised visitation wouldn't be so hard then would it???

 

 
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November 28, 2006, 9:00 pm PST

Children Should Be Protected

If I am going to be wrong I would rather protect the child. I would rather make sure that there is nothing happening to the child and take out all possible sources - in this case Jeremy - . If I found out that there was nothing happening then at least I did my best to protect the child. As a parent I would put what is best for my kids before my wants and needs. Even if that ment that I had to have someone supervise me while visiting with my child. I would rather have everything done to make sure that my child is well, healthy , and nothing happening than to be wrong and something be going on and do nothing because I am not completlely sure about what is going on. We must protect our children because they cannot do it themselves - especially at that young of an age. Our children will be around long after we are gone and they will pass down to their children at least some of what they learned from their parents. I hope that I teach my children that they should protect their kids - it is more important to keep them safe from harm and evil as much as possible than it is to do what is easy or what I want. It is more important to protect the child and offend an adult than to not offend the adult and the child get hurt because nothing was done. The adult should now how to cope with life sittuations and know what is right and wrong. A child is looking to adults to see how they should cope and know what should happen or should not. I am not saying that Jeremy is definitly guilty. I am not saying that the mother and grandmother are completly right either. Kaylee's needs and protection should be placed ahead of what the parents want.
 
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November 28, 2006, 9:01 pm PST

"YES STOP DEFENDING HIM"

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Jeremy has been given every opportunity to prove his innocence, and has failed miserably.  #1 priority, Protect the child!!!!

"I Agree #1 Priority is to PROTECT THE CHILD"

 
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November 28, 2006, 9:02 pm PST

Medical Examination for Child Sexual Abuse

I have no clue whether Jeremy is guilty of the accusations and however imperfect our legal system is, it is the system we have.  My concern as the nurse manager of a child sexual assault clinic that performs forensic medical evaluations where there is an allegation of child sexual abuse, is that you did not accurately portray the medical findings.  It is unclear to me whether this child ever had a medical exam by a trained medical expert in child sexual abuse.  It is important that the medical provider have experience with pre-pubertal child exams and has the appropriate equipment to accurately assess the hymenal tissue as well as other genital findings.  Dr. Joyce Adams wrote an article entitled "It's normal to be normal" which, through research, documented that a normal ano-genital exam is not uncommon even in cases of witnessed abuse or confessions.  There are a lot of physiologic reasons for this, but I feel strongly that Dr. Phil and the mom's attorney somehow indicated that since there weren't medical findings (by the OB/GYN who may have no experience with pre-pubertal genital exams) that somehow this added strength to Jeremy's case.  Again, I have no idea of guilt or innocence, but it is important to have facts, especially when you addressing the mass public.
 
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November 28, 2006, 9:02 pm PST

The cps services

        cps services are not always on the side of the child. my son at age 3 started saying his uncle brian was doing things to him. this went on for a yr. he would tell my mom. my mom finaly talked to cps and the DA's office. they came out and took his statement's several times and he said the same thing every time. they brought doll's out and he showed them were he was touching him. to make a long story short..... when it came time for the last meeting with the DA here in sacramento, my son said no mom and grandma told me to say these things. we asked him why he did that and he said..... his dad and his girlfriend kathy told me to say that we told him to say those things because he didnt want uncle brian to go to jail. they told him uncle brian would go to jail if he siad uncle brian was touching his pee pee. not only this but brian refused to take a lie detector test. since he refused to take the test we can only assume that he really did have something to hide.cps did not take further action to investigate. we told them they told him to lie in the end so brian wouldnt go to jail. there was also other things going on.. my ex husbands girlfriend was abusing my son. i have pictures  to prove it and they did nothing. they left my son with his dad and his dad was also beating him. i have no faith in the system.some times they really just do not care.  why can't they put hidden cameras in jeremy's house? his wife could do it. that way they would know the truth. there is no way the little girl is lying. i feel for these people. i say put the cameras in the house.
 
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November 28, 2006, 9:03 pm PST

Jeremy returns

That Jeremy is a pretty unsavoury character - no argument. That little children cannot tell fact from fantasy - no argument. That the CPS confirmed this about Kaylee - no argument. That Kaylee's vulva was 'red or inflamed' as stated earlier - no argument . That INFLAMATION could be caused by penis insertion - HIGHLY UNLIKELY. That some little girls DO have inflamed vulva caused by masturbation, as reported by my school doctor - no argument. That three-year-old girls are usually quite innocent-ignorant about pee-pee touching as an evil - no argument. That adults teach this 'evil' notion for the child to speak of it - no argument. That almost any man subjected to polygraph questions on TV about molesting a little girl is likely to be very anxious - no argument. That Jeremy is a pretty unsavoury character - no argument. Guilty beyond a shadow of doubt - no way.
 
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November 28, 2006, 9:03 pm PST

11/28 Jeremy Returns

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I agree with you 100%. Why would the mother allow this little girl to visit her father if she really believed he was molesting her. Would you nor I not do 15 days in jail to protect our children from a sexual predator. Maybe if grandma and mom made a few sacrifices on their own behalf someone would listen to them and take them more seriously. I'm not defending Jermey, because I do not know that he is guilty, but I'm leaning to believe he is innocent. Both paretns could make more sacrifices fro their children. They are immature, stubborn, and neither puts the childs best interest at heart. I ave a child which I risked jail time for to protect, adn even allowed someone else to adot her so she would never face harms way if her biological father ever came back into the picture to again try to get visitation. A mother shoudl sacrifice her life, her freedom, adn even her heart to protect her child. I don't know what Jeremy's problem is, but he needs to grow up and just answer yes or no. He did make an important point though, maybe he's struggling because he's been accused for so long. I think he has issues with control figures in his life, and maybe he is hiding something he's not proud of and maybe feeling guilty about, but that does not make him a child molestor.
Did you not hear that if she goes to jail, Jeremy will have custody of Kaylee for the time she is serving and that will give him plenty of time to file and get full custody of Kaylee. 
 
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