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Dr. Phil follows up with Krista and Bonii's quest for the truth, to find out if 3-year-old Kaylee is being molested by her father, Jeremy. Jeremy maintains his innocence even after a polygraph test showed him to be lying. He took another lie detector test at his hometown police department, and brought the results for Dr. Phil to review. What does an independent polygrapher say about this second test? Then, Jeremy asked to undergo hypnosis as another means of getting closer to the truth. Were there any new revelations? And, Jeremy had agreed to supervised visits with Kaylee, but when he got home, he changed his mind, so Krista denied him visitation. They end up facing off in front of a judge. Did Krista serve jail time or let Jeremy see Kaylee? Is Jeremy being falsely accused, or is this little girl still in harm's way? Talk about the show here.

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November 28, 2006, 9:09 pm PST

11/28 Jeremy Returns

First and foremost their is no PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that Jeramy is sexually abusing Kaylee and there is absolutly no way Jeramy could cover that up.  That will be what the judge will base her decision on.

 

There is a reason that lie detector tests are not admisable in court.  They are not reliable.  I have experienced a lie detedter test and was found deceitful when I was not.  However I was retested and also passed.  I do suffer from Bipolar disorder and I suffer from an anxiety disorder and that is part of the reason that my test was wrong the first time.  

 

This is a young desperate mother with three children all from different fathers.  That can cause an enormous amount of stress.  When I watch her she has so much anger.  I know her intention is to protect her daughterb but if a grown an penitrated her daughter the physical evidence would be overwhelming.  A doctor has already stated their is no physical evidence.  In addition DCF would do a physical exam and they have found no evidence.

 

I do not think Jeramy abused his daughter and have maintained that opinion since I first heard the polygraph results.  Anyone who has taken one of these test knows how nerve racking it can be to take on.  They cause a great deal of anxiety.  Thats why he failed.  Mom shold do a bit of research into polygraphs and she could learn a great deal about them.

 

I am certainly not blaming the mother I just think she is young with little life experience.  Her mother (the grandmother) only fuels the fire.  I was especially shocked to hear that they have alienated law enforcement in theri town.  This is a private family matter not a public spectical like they have made it.

 

I think Kaylee has be exsposed too much already.  Kaylee also realizes she gets a great deal of attention when she makes these accusations.  Children are very preceptive to what is going on around them.

 

Be very careful about the things you say.

 
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November 28, 2006, 9:09 pm PST

Snakish

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NO!!!.... I just think he is different.... and that does NOT make him guilty......
The man is acting like a snake.  I agree he was so shifty and it all had to be about him.  However everybody needs to rember the little girl in all of this
 
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November 28, 2006, 9:09 pm PST

They all disgust me

Jeremy:

The one thing that IS certain is that he has an unhealthy attraction to girls under the age of consent. However, nothing is proof-positive about his alleged abuse of Kaylee. My opinion is that he has been inappropriate with her, because although there is a possible explanation against each of the indicators that would point to him being an abuser, when you add them all up it just doesn't look good. It's probably not enough for a conviction, but it sure suggests that supervision is warranted. And if he truly is guilty of this he should be tossed in jail forever.

 

Krista and Bonii:

In the worst case scenario, they've conspired to fabricate a story that Jeremy is sexually abusive. If that is truly so, they should be sued to the last penny they will ever earn and lose custody of Kaylee. That may sound harsh, but a man's reputation is forever destroyed by even a false accusation like this. Even if a judge laughs a ridiculous case out of court, the accused will be forever stigmatized.

 

In the best case scenario, Krista and Bonii believe Kaylee is abused and are frustrated by "the system". Even so, they are certainly a piece of work. Consider THAT evidence. Stalking Jeremy's new wife for infidelity? Harassing the authorities to the point of indifference? Distributing flyers, allowing her face to be televised, and creating a website to trumpet this alleged abuse?!? This poor child has no chance of moving beyond this with all the self-serving publicity her mother and grandmother have garnered for her, exploiting her as an unwitting poster child.

 

If I were King Solomon judging this case, I'd take her away from the whole sick lot of them, and give her up for adoption to some decent loving childless couple.

 
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November 28, 2006, 9:10 pm PST

Not sure what to think

I would have to say that a simliar thing happened to a lady That worked at my college.  The town i live in refused to believe her about what was going on.  She was able to show proof of from doctors stating that it in fact happened.  Because this lady was known for trouble in the past and turned in a local cop for askinf for sexual favors in return for not giving tickets out to an 18 and 16 yr old. she had gotten this cop in troulbe. she was not able to get any assistance in the town as it seems is the case here.  This lady (lisa) was able to pick up and move to other county and now has proved her case and in one hearing got full custody of her all her children.  The police in my town had gone as far as taking her children out of her custody and placing them with her ex husband.  i fear that if the ladies on your show today do not stop the same thing may happen.
 
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November 28, 2006, 9:11 pm PST

11/28 Jeremy Returns

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I am just furious about this!   I watch the show and I see a liar sitting there duping everyone. Jeremy is a liar as far as I am concerned.  It doesn't take a rocket scientest to see how cocky he is when he answers any of the many questions when asked if he touched his daughter or if he slept with a 12 year old girl.  "Hell NO!" he says. He is very good at saying that. For crying out loud, if you look at the eyes of nearly every criminal you will see small beady eyes and Jermey's eyes are just like that. If you know anything about horses, the first thing a person sees is their eyes. They say, "The horses eyes are the window to their soul."  When you have a horse with small beady eyes, you can bet your bottom dollar that horse will be flighty, It works the same with people.

Jeremy is arrogant.  He thinks everyone around him is stupid.  He has an answer for everything.  He keeps that smirk on his face and I 'd like to slap him. Don't anyone come back and tell me that he is innocent. That's bull crap.  He failed that first lie detector test, then he told Dr Phil that he wanted to get hypnotized and when that was arranged he made damn sure he wouldn't be put under.  Then he had the second lie detector and they find out he passed that one but he was taking drugs and so he managed to screw that one up.  What the hell is wrong with CPS? What is wrong with that judge?  Dr Phil, you need to do everything possible to keep that animal away from that darling little girl.  I know Kaylee's mom has other children and she really couldn't do this.....but I think she should take her away and hide her until she is old enough. I wouldn't let that S.O.B. within a country mile of Kaylee. If he doesn't want to agree to supervised visitation then I say to hell with him!!!!  Anyone who uses the name of "analbastard" on a chat line has to have a screw loose somewhere.  He is a creep! 

Linda

I do nto beleive we can convict the guy over beady criminal eyes, if we did we'ld have to arrest President Bush too. I do agree he is ignorant and arrogant, but I also believe that the Mother and Grandmother also have mental issues, his is just worse!
 
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November 28, 2006, 9:11 pm PST

What is the main objective?

To me, the main objective, wait, let me say PRIORITY, is to get Kaylee into a loving STABLE environment with supervised visitation from ALL parties in this mayhem of crap.  I know that Dr. Phil, whom I greatly respect, keeps saying it is about protecting the child, as it should be.  I don't see that happening.  Do I believe Jeremy?  Not sure I do, but guilty or not, there are a few cards missing in that deck.  As for the dynamic duo, the Mom and Grandmother - they seem to be self serving and no matter how much they plead and preach how it is about Kaylee, I beg to differ.  I know as a mother myself, if my four year old son came to me and said something about someone touching him, I'd be all over it and get as much information from him WITHOUT putting questions or answers or ideas in his head and then I'd head for answers from whomever and  wherever I had to go, but would make sure my son was OK and checked out and not have him have to relive it over and over as these two continue to do to Kaylee.  And I certainly wouldn't tape it.   Regardless, the main objective is to find out what the hell is going on in that dysfunctional family.  If there is a "true" sexual abuse going on, then why on God's green earth is that child not in some type of therapy?  Oh, I forgot the lack of evidence part....however, with all this self-harming banter going back and forth between the parties, it is clear to me that this child should be in some type of therapy - period!  Not to mention, I think they all should benefit from therapy - and stay away from each other for awhile.   Is the Bonii an issue?  Yes.  I've read some of the entries about Krista being 14 dating a 21 yr old.  Back in the day, I had to have written permission for my boyfriend at the time, who was 21 yrs old, to take me to my junior and senior prom.  Fourteen year olds grow up way too fast, maybe Krista has regrets on how her life turned out and somehow is using this situation to redeem herself from her own regrets on her "lost" innocence.  I think Dr. Phil is just barely scratching the surface on all of these people - but the only one in my book who has a chance is Kaylee and who seems to be a pawn in a game she won't win with these players.  Kids need to be kids and I agree a parents job is to protect them, nurture them and provide for them.  They all need to GROW UP and stop thinking of who did what to whom when, find the truth, deal with it, and move on so Kaylee can be saved and be a kid that she so richly deserves to be.  Not that it matters, but I to was a victim of abuse.
 
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November 28, 2006, 9:11 pm PST

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This topic really is upsetting, I feel so bad for the mother of this little girl who is just trying to do the best she can in her situation ,and I absolutly believe everything she is saying and know it is true. Dr Phil really upsets me the way he has treated this mother, as if she is just trying to ruin Jeremy by giving out flyers...I say good for you ! People need to know to keep thier children safe. I was raped and molested countless times by respected people of the community and told so many different people, and nothing was ever done to help me. Yet had I been an adult they would have been arrested right away, why is it when a child says something nobody listens? I say if you want to know the truth ask a child. I wish I could do something for this little girl. My whole life was messed up by my abuser and I have had trouble with relationships since then. Please Dr Phil wake up ...this guy is guilty !!!!  This mother has been completely honest about everything. If I found out someone did that to my child they would be wearing a toe tag before daybreak.

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November 28, 2006, 9:12 pm PST

YES! Wondering the same over here - this guy reminds me of my father in too many ways..... the man who molested me till i was 11 an would have kept molesting me if my mother had not finally got the courage to leave him......... anytime she confronted him

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NO!!!.... I just think he is different.... and that does NOT make him guilty......
 

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November 28, 2006, 9:13 pm PST

A total travesty...

To begin I'd like to know where the mother was when her 14 year old daughter began "dating" a 21 year old man!!! Now to the present time...I can't believe that the child protective agency and the courts would not demand supervised visitation for this child until further investigation could be done. If there is any resonable doubt, which there definately is, then this man should not be left alone with this little girl! Shouldn't it be children first?  This man is so obviously guilty it isn't even funny! I was abused as a child and I'd dare say there would have been no visiable evidence but there was abuse just the same. If this man had to think about whether or not he stuck his tongue in his daughters mouth then you have your answer right there...HE'S A CHILD MOLESTER...he proved that with his ex wife...14/21...pedophile...the mother should have stopped it then!!!

 
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November 28, 2006, 9:13 pm PST

yeah it is look at the number of replys to the topic

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This topic really is upsetting, I feel so bad for the mother of this little girl who is just trying to do the best she can in her situation ,and I absolutly believe everything she is saying and know it is true. Dr Phil really upsets me the way he has treated this mother, as if she is just trying to ruin Jeremy by giving out flyers...I say good for you ! People need to know to keep thier children safe. I was raped and molested countless times by respected people of the community and told so many different people, and nothing was ever done to help me. Yet had I been an adult they would have been arrested right away, why is it when a child says something nobody listens? I say if you want to know the truth ask a child. I wish I could do something for this little girl. My whole life was messed up by my abuser and I have had trouble with relationships since then. Please Dr Phil wake up ...this guy is guilty !!!!  This mother has been completely honest about everything. If I found out someone did that to my child they would be wearing a toe tag before daybreak.
but do you really think Jeremy is guilty? cause he failed a lie detector the first time hell i would have failed it and i don't have a daughter  lol , now the guy on the show that blew through the 3 hour test and passed well he simple tricked every one he was guilty!!!! and if they had done a drug test on him they would have found zanax in his system!! only way any one could be totally still and calm for 3 straight hours<
 
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