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Topic : 11/28 Jeremy Returns

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Created on : Tuesday, November 21, 2006, 02:20:16 pm
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Dr. Phil follows up with Krista and Bonii's quest for the truth, to find out if 3-year-old Kaylee is being molested by her father, Jeremy. Jeremy maintains his innocence even after a polygraph test showed him to be lying. He took another lie detector test at his hometown police department, and brought the results for Dr. Phil to review. What does an independent polygrapher say about this second test? Then, Jeremy asked to undergo hypnosis as another means of getting closer to the truth. Were there any new revelations? And, Jeremy had agreed to supervised visits with Kaylee, but when he got home, he changed his mind, so Krista denied him visitation. They end up facing off in front of a judge. Did Krista serve jail time or let Jeremy see Kaylee? Is Jeremy being falsely accused, or is this little girl still in harm's way? Talk about the show here.

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November 28, 2006, 9:45 pm PST

Yes, different, I say with learning disabilities

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I still think he has learning disabilities.  His responses, repeat of questions, everything points to that.  But that doesn't make him guilty.  Some people don't understand things the same way as others.  I have 4 dyslexic children and they are wonderful but God love them they have a difficult time understanding what people say and have to have questions repeated before answering.  I would get so mad at them that they couldn't give me a straight answer to my question, or if they did I'd find out later it was wrong because they didn't understand the question.  After testing all four and years of frustration the truth was double deficit dyslexia.  They have to have accommodations like sometimes oral tests and directions explained, but they are doing great because I got them help.  I truly suspect Jeremy is the same.  That would explain alot of his behavior.  Especially his off the wall comments. 
 
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November 28, 2006, 9:45 pm PST

Maybe Jeremy really is Innocent

I have seen all of the shows, as a mom, if I thought my daughter was being molested, I would certanily go to jail to protect her, and her excuse is her other children doesn't fly with me, it is obvious she has her own mother to help her out with them- I am getting a very funnly feeling that Jermey is innocent- I have worked as an ad litum- and believe it or not, children will make things up if they see that they are receiving attention -  And there is a reason that lie detectors are not admissable in a court of law-there are so many factors when reading the results that have to be considered- as I stated not 1 court of law in our great county will allow it as evidence- and apparently, based on the physical evidence- Jeremy is not guilty of what the child has stated took place-

This sort of reminds me of the Salem witch hunts- I have read some of the other postings and most of you going on only what you have seen on TV are ready to burn this guy at the stake- let's remember- GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT"  A false allegation could ruin this guys life forever- If he is guilty, trained professionals will get to the bottom of it-Let's all pray for this little girl sake that he is-INNOCENT

 
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November 28, 2006, 9:48 pm PST

I think the mother is sacrificing plenty

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Did you not hear that if she goes to jail, Jeremy will have custody of Kaylee for the time she is serving and that will give him plenty of time to file and get full custody of Kaylee. 
What do u mean the mother and grandmother aren't sacrificing anything.  They are sacrificing the time that needs to be put towards Kaylee and her healing process because the government doesn't want to protect our children.  Have u ever been in this situation, it is extremely hard to protect your children and make sure that creeps like Jeremy are put behind bars for their sick actions. 
 
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November 28, 2006, 9:49 pm PST

11/28 Jeremy Returns

I feel so bad for Kaylee,she is so adorable and those eyes are just beautiful..it just sickens me that this man is out there and is allowed to see his daughter.the courts and cps are acting like the mother is making up these stories..why would a little say things like he touched my privates (different word).i just want to beat the crap out of him..and then he has to think about questions like when dr phil asked him about putting his tongue in kaylees mouth???why would you have to think of something like that if you didnt do...he needs to be put in the slammer and let him rott in hell..i feel so strongly b/c i was almost molested by a babysitter when i was younger.i remember i couldnt open my otter pop and he offered so i took it to him and he had his genitals out..and then he tried 2 other times but was interrupted and i ran out of the room.so i feel for kaylee.I have a question Bonii mentioned something about a website she created for this, I've tried to look it up but cant find it..can anyone else search and let me know.I also think that that scumbags wife needs to leave him ASAP and not let him see their kid b/c he will probably do it to their kid...i hope she does come to her senses about her husbands disgusting mind.

 

 
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November 28, 2006, 9:50 pm PST

Kaylee.

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I have no clue whether Jeremy is guilty of the accusations and however imperfect our legal system is, it is the system we have.  My concern as the nurse manager of a child sexual assault clinic that performs forensic medical evaluations where there is an allegation of child sexual abuse, is that you did not accurately portray the medical findings.  It is unclear to me whether this child ever had a medical exam by a trained medical expert in child sexual abuse.  It is important that the medical provider have experience with pre-pubertal child exams and has the appropriate equipment to accurately assess the hymenal tissue as well as other genital findings.  Dr. Joyce Adams wrote an article entitled "It's normal to be normal" which, through research, documented that a normal ano-genital exam is not uncommon even in cases of witnessed abuse or confessions.  There are a lot of physiologic reasons for this, but I feel strongly that Dr. Phil and the mom's attorney somehow indicated that since there weren't medical findings (by the OB/GYN who may have no experience with pre-pubertal genital exams) that somehow this added strength to Jeremy's case.  Again, I have no idea of guilt or innocence, but it is important to have facts, especially when you addressing the mass public.

That baby girl says she's been touched, you better believe her !!!

  My daughter and granddaughter went through the same filth !  A family member at the other grandmas house was touching my granddaughter !  Childrens Mercy Hospital did a rape test, but, said they were not permitted to testify ! And, the judge, after an hour and a half of testimony, from a concientious (msp) caseworker, denied everything she said and replied that it DID NOT HAPPEN !!!  Ths went on for several years, in and out of the court... My granddaughter was a charming, gracious child, her Mother taught her to be considerate and polite... Today, she is about 290 lbs. and quite antisocial... I HATE THOSE PIECES OF FILTH THAT WERE ALLOWED TO DESTROY MY LOVELY GRANDCHILD !

 

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November 28, 2006, 9:51 pm PST

15 DAYS with Jeremy!!!

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None of these people act like fit parents to me. OK, was it molestation when grandma allowed her 14 yr. old to sleep with a 21 yr. old man? What sort of fit parent allows this? I don;t knwo if Jeremy is a molestor, but he certainly is not the smartest guy in town, and he has the maturity of a 12 yr. old. child. he definitely has issues with people of authority. But the mother of the chidl is a joke! Talking about all this in front of her child all the time? She has allowed this fight to take over her entire life. I feel like grabbing the little girl and taking her to Disney for a month so she can be a little girl again, and away from this mess! She sent her daughter back to him just to avoid 15 days in jail? Tell me she really believes he done it? Think I wouldn't do jail time to keep the child safe? Absolutely! I've faced the same threat, and it was not until I accepted the threat and the punishment that the judge took my case seriously to protect my daughter from physical abuse.  Maybe Jeremy is guilty. I don't know, but I do know that MOM has had a negative affect on the investigation by coaching the child. I will not base my oppinion on a lie detectors test from some guy who can't tell you what color his shoes are with out thinking about it and asking why first. They all have mental issues in my oppinion.
I wouldn't take the 15 days in jail either if my daughter was going to have to be with Jeremy for those 15 days!!! Wake up people!!!
 
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November 28, 2006, 9:51 pm PST

This situation is not unique at all

I am in the exact situation as this family.  My reaction varied, but the details, including failing two polygraphs, are almost exactly the same.  The S.D. Evaluator said that he couldn't recommend with good conscience that the Dad be left alone with my daughter or any other child for that matter. 

 

My daughter's father molested her when she was under three years old.  I spent $50,000 and 18 months in court trying to protect my daughter, but she still had to go back unsupervised.  She was unsupervised for two years, and then my daughter started to share her fear of him and said that she didn't want to be alone with her Dad, specifically not alone in bed at night.  Now, since July 06, I am back into the court system and am looking at spending a lot of money again.  She has said many disturbing things recently including that she would be happy if her Dad died.  It doesn't matter to me what he has done recently, just the fact that she is terrified of him should be enough to warrant supervised visits, but that is not the way it works.  She has to specifically disclose certain information to the right individuals in order for her to be protected.

 

I have found the same to be true about the police, and CPS.  What I have found is that the denial is so strong in people not wanting it to be true that they cannot accept that it could be true.  The bottom line is that it is my daughter's responsibility to speak up and share details in order to protect herself.  It is the one area of law that a child is responsible for their own safety.  My daughter really believes that she is choosing between my life (being alive) and her telling the truth.

 

I am glad that Dr. Phil aired this case, but it didn't give me any more hope for my daughter's safety.  When the biological father is the perpetrator it is next to impossible to protect a child from them.  An odd comment that I noticed on the show was the discussion about physical evidence; often there is not any physical evidence, but that doesn't mean that nothing happened.  And one last comment, no one can judge a mother who is trying to protect her child in anyway she knows how, unless they have truly been in her shoes.

 

 

 
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November 28, 2006, 9:52 pm PST

You are way off base with your confidence in CPS

For the most part, I enjoy watching Dr. Phil, but I have to tell you, the Doctor is way off base when it comes to CFS. I know first hand.

In my opinion Dr. Phil is making the positive statements regarding CFS, based on his personal experiences with the system, and I can not argue with that. However, there are thouands of CFS office in the world and it's been my experience that there are many far less dependable. I feel it's important that he contact hundreds of people and document their experiences with CFS before insinuating the mother Krista is falsely allegating CFS is, (for lack of better words ) blowing her concerns and complaints off ,and ignoring her complaints. Dr. Phil does not know. They could very well be doing so. Not only that, to be condescending to her on national television is less than professional. The Dr. Should refrain from comments requiring the guest to defend herself until he has proof they CFS is doing their job. 

I am a 40 year old Christian mother of 4, wife, & successful business owner. I was the fortunate child in my family. How I escaped my fathers wrath I will never know. What I can tell you, is  the beatings my father administered to my mother for years will be vividly etched in my memory until I die. His hanging a large snake in from of her at the window as she did dishes is forever with me as well. The gun he used to shoot at her, barely missing her face while we pretended to sleep on the floor will not be forgotten. The trips to the grocery store my mother had to make with makeup caked on her face in a meek attempt to hide the bruises and cuts on her face. Everyone knew it was happening, and no one did anythign about it. I remember the ongoing battle in my mind when considering sneaking out the broken window at 7 years of age to sneak a mile up the country road to my moms friends house for help for my Mom... always opting not to, due to the overwhelming fear of what would happen if I were caught. My mother finally escaped with a divorce after 13 years of marriage, 7 childrens and many beatings later. (Pregnancy was no safe haven either. Years later I would find out my father knocked my mother to the floor while several months pregnant with my sister kicking her over and over and threatening to kill all of her children if she didn't come home from my aunts house. (She was helping my aunt pack for her move)

 

Years later my father, stepmother and 9 children lived in a 2 bedroom house. My father had my brothers empty the urine from a large jar that he and my stepmother utilized as a toilet during the evening. My father futher beat my brothers with fishing rods and tree switchs, and it was not uncommon for him to hit my brothers with a fist, knocking them to the ground. Belt marks and bruises were no strangers to my siblings either. My brother was beat daily with the belt prior to starting his day. 'I know you will do something you're not supposed to do today....' my father would say.

 

All neighbors turned a blind eye for years.  At 13 I recall dreaming of my father and stepmother (also abusive) dieing in a car accident, and how I would raise my siblings. Perhaps the CFS would come and rescue my siblings from their lifes being lived in constant ridicule, mental and physical beatings and more.

 

Finally, the day came when a knock on the door revealed a CFS worker. I remember that day as if it were yesterday and I was no more than 16 years old. I even remember the Workers name - Jean. (Oddly enough fate brought her to me as a client years later) My father opened the door to a seasoned CFS worker.  The worker indicated my father had been reported by the physical education teacher. He'd indicated there were several large bruises covering both of little brothers legs. (Finally, after years of abuse, there was hope,  someone had the guts and enough concern to report it to CFS....., surely the abuse will stop now right?) Wrong! After confronted by the CFS worker my father curtly stated 'I will discipline my children any way I see fit', and defiantly shut the door in her face.

 

That was the last day anyone ever graced our doorway with their presence. It would be another 2  years before my siblings say relief , and only because my father hung himself in our garage ending the abuse.

 

One of my best friends worked for a different State CFS office for 15 years, and she could confirm CFS drops the ball on many occassions. That said, I have little or no confidence in the CFS system. Perhaps Dr. Phils experiences are the exception and not the rule. It's time to do some homework.

 

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Roberta

 

 

 

 

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November 28, 2006, 9:52 pm PST

I Agree

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  The one point that was never made during this show was that Krista anbd Bonnie would not have escalated this and continued to rabble rouse if Jeremy had agreed to supervised visitations.  He agreed to it on the first show and then went back on that promise.  If I was this child's parent, I would never allow my child to go into Jeremy's home without supervision.  It is crazy to me that at least this requirement has not been mandated by the courts.  Here is a child that is actually verbally complaining about being molested.  I am a teacher and my experience has been that most children do not or can not verbally explain what has happened to them and often molestation or abuse is found through a change in behavior or in their play.  This child is actually telling people she was molested and still action isn't being taken!  Imagine if she was just playing sexually with her dolls, no one would be listening.  I agree that it isn't fair to punish Jeremy until the courts can make a final conclusion.  But the reality is that this is "he said, she said", so until they can get to the bottom of this, there needs to be supervision to keep Kaylee safe.  That is the least that can be expected.  Dr. Phil keeps saying that Krista needs to calm this down...but under the circumstances, I think she should be yelling even louder!  Whatever it takes to keep Kaylee safe.

Jen

Jen, I think you have made a very good point. It started with Jeremy going back on his agreement with supervised visitations. Yes I think the calming down needs to be Jeremy. PROTECT THE CHILD--- Lets First Protect the Child and Keep Kaylee Safe
 
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November 28, 2006, 9:52 pm PST

great synopsis

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Jeremy:

The one thing that IS certain is that he has an unhealthy attraction to girls under the age of consent. However, nothing is proof-positive about his alleged abuse of Kaylee. My opinion is that he has been inappropriate with her, because although there is a possible explanation against each of the indicators that would point to him being an abuser, when you add them all up it just doesn't look good. It's probably not enough for a conviction, but it sure suggests that supervision is warranted. And if he truly is guilty of this he should be tossed in jail forever.

 

Krista and Bonii:

In the worst case scenario, they've conspired to fabricate a story that Jeremy is sexually abusive. If that is truly so, they should be sued to the last penny they will ever earn and lose custody of Kaylee. That may sound harsh, but a man's reputation is forever destroyed by even a false accusation like this. Even if a judge laughs a ridiculous case out of court, the accused will be forever stigmatized.

 

In the best case scenario, Krista and Bonii believe Kaylee is abused and are frustrated by "the system". Even so, they are certainly a piece of work. Consider THAT evidence. Stalking Jeremy's new wife for infidelity? Harassing the authorities to the point of indifference? Distributing flyers, allowing her face to be televised, and creating a website to trumpet this alleged abuse?!? This poor child has no chance of moving beyond this with all the self-serving publicity her mother and grandmother have garnered for her, exploiting her as an unwitting poster child.

 

If I were King Solomon judging this case, I'd take her away from the whole sick lot of them, and give her up for adoption to some decent loving childless couple.

I agree with you entirely.  Her best interest is to be away from this whole circus act the mom and grandma are putting her through and let the courts decide about the dad. 
 
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