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Topic : 11/28 Jeremy Returns

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Dr. Phil follows up with Krista and Bonii's quest for the truth, to find out if 3-year-old Kaylee is being molested by her father, Jeremy. Jeremy maintains his innocence even after a polygraph test showed him to be lying. He took another lie detector test at his hometown police department, and brought the results for Dr. Phil to review. What does an independent polygrapher say about this second test? Then, Jeremy asked to undergo hypnosis as another means of getting closer to the truth. Were there any new revelations? And, Jeremy had agreed to supervised visits with Kaylee, but when he got home, he changed his mind, so Krista denied him visitation. They end up facing off in front of a judge. Did Krista serve jail time or let Jeremy see Kaylee? Is Jeremy being falsely accused, or is this little girl still in harm's way? Talk about the show here.

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November 28, 2006, 10:27 pm PST

I know where your coming from Im from Michigan too

I have been in Kaylees position however I was 14 and ironically I am from Michigan and the system did nothing nothing for me after countless times my assaulter skipped polygraghs and the police did nothing I gave up, It was alot for me to handle at a young age, It torn my family apart, because of course it was a family member, My family is still split between those that believe and those that don't. I lost complete faith in the system and I truly believe that it casuing more pain for the victim to try and get justice then to just try and move on. God I know Dr Phil would not agree with that and I myself know its horrible advice but its alot of work to prove your innocennce. I'm 23 now and a mom, its taken me a long time to put the past behind me, and when I hear stories about girls like Kaylee it breaks my heart and makes me sick. I have a 1 and 1/2 year old daughter now, I just want to put her in a bubble so things like this can't happen to her. I hope with all my heart Kaylee's family gets there justice,and help Michigan change, because something needs to happen. I never got my justice, but at least I can sleep at night now. Maybe Kaylee is young enough that when all this is over she can move on, quickly, I hope with all my heart she can.  My heart goes out to all of her family, and if Jermey doesn't get what is coming to him, God will take care of him, I have to believe that, and you should too!
 
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November 28, 2006, 10:28 pm PST

Exparte Order

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That's good for you but your case and Kaylee while similar are very different. 

 

1.  Your ex lives in a different state, I believe Kaylee's parents live within the same county maybe same town

2.  You have physical proof daughter's letters  and previous police report of physical abuse

 

3 your daughter is 15 years old, Kaylee is 3

 

4.  you had CPS fighting for you once school got involved but you know even in your case, it went on for a long time.  Why did you send her back after he threw her into a wall?

 

5.  Please don't assume that Krista can do anything more than she is doing.

 

I would suggest that if one suspect abuse, they gather facts  and document and if the state allows them to move to move as far from the perpetrator as possible or with facts petition for an exparte order to protect the child.

 

If the child is of school age, have child speak to couselor or teacher, a report by them is taken more serious.  When a parent reports abuse, the other parent will claim it is a custody issue.  If you can get the child a cell phone and let them know that they should use it if ever in danger again.  If child is old enough, the child should be told call police asap as soon as safe to do so.

 

 

If a parent has an attorney who does not file an exparte order, what should the parent do next?

 

 
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November 28, 2006, 10:29 pm PST

guilty until proven innocent

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I have seen all of the shows, as a mom, if I thought my daughter was being molested, I would certanily go to jail to protect her, and her excuse is her other children doesn't fly with me, it is obvious she has her own mother to help her out with them- I am getting a very funnly feeling that Jermey is innocent- I have worked as an ad litum- and believe it or not, children will make things up if they see that they are receiving attention -  And there is a reason that lie detectors are not admissable in a court of law-there are so many factors when reading the results that have to be considered- as I stated not 1 court of law in our great county will allow it as evidence- and apparently, based on the physical evidence- Jeremy is not guilty of what the child has stated took place-

This sort of reminds me of the Salem witch hunts- I have read some of the other postings and most of you going on only what you have seen on TV are ready to burn this guy at the stake- let's remember- GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT"  A false allegation could ruin this guys life forever- If he is guilty, trained professionals will get to the bottom of it-Let's all pray for this little girl sake that he is-INNOCENT

Guilty until proven innocent is right.  I think you meant to say innocent until proven guilty.  When a child is involved then it should be guilty until proven innocent.  I don't believe the child should be coached though.  They need to bring in the specialists who deal with children like this day in and day out. 

 
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November 28, 2006, 10:30 pm PST

11/28 Jeremy Returns

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Jen, I think you have made a very good point. It started with Jeremy going back on his agreement with supervised visitations. Yes I think the calming down needs to be Jeremy. PROTECT THE CHILD--- Lets First Protect the Child and Keep Kaylee Safe

Here Here!  Finally, someone says something intellegent!

 

 
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November 28, 2006, 10:32 pm PST

WOW

  I lived this. This was almost my life with my little girls. No one can say how they would feel, act, nor do unless you've lived this, and on top of that with a system that doesn't work. They should be shot. My ex even planed out my murder. It was bad, so very bad. But, now we are safe. My girls don't want anything to do with they're father. He got off, he got away with it.

  I sat watching this man and thought WOW!!!!!! He is my ex in everyway. The way he talked, moved, his expressions on his face, everything. Come on people, do you honestly think he's going to say, yes, I did it? Not once did I see pain in his eyes. I seen fear in his eyes once, just once. But nothing of pain of being acused. Like, how could they acuse me of such a thing. It was all about anger. If a man has a daughter that is saying these things, wouldn't you think that he would be going to the daughter and saying honey, who did this to you?  If it wasn't him. Don't you think he would be in tears saying how could you say that I could do such a thing and I want to find out who is hurting my baby?

  See that was my ex.The same way, it was scary to watch. You know what, my ex never said to me, I didn't do it. He never once asked me how I thought he could do such a thing. Facts are facts, this man needs to go down. Dr. Phil please do something. Don't let this little girl be abused by him. Can you just sit back and think how this little girl would feel growing up with all these people knowing and Dr.Phil at that. Being abused her whole life because no one stepped up to the plate. I tell you what, if I were the mom, I'd start looking into going under ground if needed. This world we live in. Sad thing is, there are many many kids out there that have or are being abused, and the parents don't even know about it. Or they're just to scared to look at the truth. In a sense, they're abusing them by closing they're eyes to it. They are just as quitly.  I am very worried about this baby girls. She should be in with doctors now, getting the help she needs, to get passed this. It's been six years for us and we still deal with the effects and we did the therapy. It's on going. 

 
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November 28, 2006, 10:33 pm PST

Damn that Jeremy!

Jeremy is a liar and it shows all over his face.  I don't care WHAT kind of evidence that the courts didn't find; any smart person knows that there are things that won't show up as evidence.  For instance, touching someone's private part can't be documented.  It's almost like someone touching my face, yet the courts want physical evidence for that.  It won't be found!  Also, I rememember when Dr.Phil asked Jeremy if he stuck his tongue in Kaylee's mouth, and he took a whole hour to answer that question(I am exaggerating).  My point is that if he stuck his tongue in her mouth, would there be evidence to show for that? 

 

Also, Jeremy speaks extremely slowly so that he could think of what he is saying.  When he speaks slowly like that, he is trying not to catch himself in lies and he is also speaking slowly to give himself enough time to think of what to say; he doesn't just speak because he is a liar.

 

I also hated the evil smirk he had on his face when the results showed that the courts didn't find evidence against him.  That ALONE shows that he is guilty.  His smirk shows that he was thinking,"Haha... they couldn't find me out and you can't prove a thing against me!"

 

Damn that 'man' and others like him.  What goes around comes around and he will be found out soon.  We can't forget that he keeps flunking his liar detectors tests and his ex-wife didn't flunk hers.  He also tried to fool with the hypnotist.  He is a sad person. 

 

I feel sorry for Kaylee.  The stupid  Child "Protective" Services are a joke.  I am wondering how they benefit from not pursuing a case.  They must benefit monetarily.  That's all some people care about anyways; money. 

 

Ok..... I am a little heated right now. 

 
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November 28, 2006, 10:34 pm PST

she's just a baby!

I give my heart out to this little girl. When I was young I was molested. When some of my friends were young they were molested. Almost all of my friends and I, never spoke of what was happening intill we were way older and it was not happening anymore. I dont know how Kaylee did it, but this little girl is brave for standing up and having the courage to know that what was being done to her was totally wrong. She is such a cute and smart little girl that deserves a happy life. I am sure that Jeremy is molesting Kaylee. What 3 year old little girl cries like that when going to see her daddy? None that I know.. UNLESS THEY WERE GETTING ABUSED MENTALLY, VERBALLY, PHYSICALLY JUST DOWN RIGHT ABUSED IN SOME WAY! It descusts me hearing about the social worker situation because those people that talked to Kaylee and her mother dont know what they are doing or are blind sided by the truth. I am not meaning to jump any ones throats, but this is a really upsetting case that the courts and cps are not taking care of! They assume that the mother is lieing to get custody. Wouldnt it be better to assume the other way around just incase it was true! I know that some parents may lie, but you know what, that does not mean all do. I know it can not be detected who is lieing sometimes, but still, instead of letting jeremy see his daughter and keep hurting her, he should not beable to see her intill proven innocent for sure, or have it supervised while visiting. Why on earth did he all the sudden not want it supervised? That sounds a little fishy, and when he talks he seems like he is trying to play with peoples minds by thinking he is innocent by just the way he talks. Not just the way he says he didnt do it. Its like he is trying to win us over, which is failing misserably in my opinion. it is hard to describe it. I hope that everything will turn out ok and young Kaylee can finally be free from this tourment that she does not deserve.

 

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November 28, 2006, 10:34 pm PST

11/28 Jeremy Returns

Jeremy is a shifty sly and creepy liar. All pedophile's lie through their teeth! This guy should be in jail no question. If Kaylee has said he touched her, then lying or not, he goes to jail PERIOD! Someone better start listening to that child. I do believe there is physical evidence that he had done something to her. The torn labia just doesn't happen unless she is running around naked and straddles something that could tear it. I go along with the lie detector test from the expert. The heck with these small town cops. Probably some of them are pedophiles too. Liberal judges and some people do not protect these children. What is happening to our children is pitiful. They are not being heard. I think the mother and grandmother have every right to protect Kaylee. I would go to great lengths as they have to make sure this guy is accountable for what he has done. Don't take my word for it, just ask Oprah. Get rid of these jerks, they can't be helped. Even if you castrate them it doesn't help, because it is all about power. If it were my child or grandchild someone would pay dearly, by me, and I don't mean money. Lock the creep up!
 
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November 28, 2006, 10:35 pm PST

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE CHILD

I think the Point Should be Protecting the Child. Isn't this what Dr Phil Always says. When It comes to Children, He's in there Corner. So Dr Phil Please Help this little Girl. Until there is More Information PLEASE Intervene in this little innocent Childs behalf (If you are able). Because it is about Protecting the Little Children who do not have a Voice. There must be, at the very least, be safety for her in Supervised Visitations. It is what Jeremy Promised to You. Please call him on it. Let someone from your staff supervised. HELP THE INNOCENT CHILDREN -- Before it is too late

 
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November 28, 2006, 10:35 pm PST

I could scream!!!

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I am so distressed by this father I feel like crying.  Every cell in my body says he is molesting that child.  What physical evidence do they need?  Blood and a torn hymen, she already had a torn labia!  He is savvy enough to not penetrate her hymen especially with all the scrutiny and anything less than that is not going to show.  I find it so disheartening that our system does not do more to get to the bottom of things.  Why doesn't the CPS make surprise visits on days of pickups and drop offs and witness the child's distress?  She is obviously VERY distressed going to her father's!  No child I have ever known except for one girl that I knew, she used to scream and try to crawl out of her father's car when he came to pick her up, he would sit her on his lap in front of everyone and nuzzle in her neck, and it turns out later he was molesting his daughter and this guy later tried to rape me (which no one believed and I was 24 and articulate, can you imagine the hell it must be for  3 year old to be completely disregarded and unheard and powerless), and finally  this rapist was sentenced to 5 years in jail after raping two other women.  This rapist's daughter had been telling people for years her father was touching her and no one did anything or could PROVE anything.   She was 12 when he finally went to jail and it breaks my heart it wasn't even for molesting his daugher and I wonder how many years had she been molested before he was removed from her life. Behavior is a strong indicator and Kaylee does not want to go with her father. 

Please Dr. Phil, use all you pull and power to get that little girl supervised visits.  I can't believe the judge would not hear CPS's hospital report of the torn labia, or that Jeremy failed TWO lie detectors.  He never has a straight answer to anything.  He is master at twisting words into nonsense and that is typical of someone who can justify their monstrous behavior and still live with themselves.

Why wouldn't our system, even if the father is innocent, based on the child's distress and the torn labia and her persistence that her father is touching her (she's not saying anybody else so its obviously not just randam rhetoric), why wouldn't the court want to protect the child first and foremost instead of the stance of there's no proof.  Rarely is there going to be proof unless the guy is a complete agressive abusor but Jeremy seems smart enough to not leave much of a mark.  I hate that guy!

I can't stand to watch another follow up and see that smug bastard know he's getting away with this.  What can the mother do?  She seems powerless to stop him and I feel so frustrated for her.  And you tell her to be calm?  If my daughter came back from every visit saying her daddy stuck his pee pee in her pee pee and I see proof of this with redness and irritation and other signs I would scream from the rooftops and I would picket till my feet bled if the courts would do nothing to help stop this monster.  She needs to get LOUDER in my opinion!  I would run away with my child before I let that monster lay another hand on her!

I WOULD NOT BE CALM and it angers me that you are so passe about how its being handled and for getting on the mother for being too dramatic.   She should do more!

What would you do Dr. Phil if your child were being molested?  I doubt that you would be calm and reasonable.  My sister was in a foster home where she was being physically abused and no matter how  many times she said something to somebody, no one in the system believed her!  She finally ran away and ended up in juvenile hall.  I find it so naive that you think people in authority such as CPS would be professional and would not leave a chilld in that predicament.  Are you serious?  Where have you been?  Have you not heard of social workers being overwhelmed and not even making visits at all to the children their supposed to be protecting and later that child turns up dead from abuse?  Look at all the police officers who abuse their power, look at priests, educational teachers having sex with their students?  Wake up Dr. Phil, our system sucks, they're underpaid, overworked and not listened to...

I can't even write anymore...I'm so disgusted at the handling of this situation.  
 
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