Topic : 11/28 Jeremy Returns

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Created on : Tuesday, November 21, 2006, 02:20:16 pm
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Dr. Phil follows up with Krista and Bonii's quest for the truth, to find out if 3-year-old Kaylee is being molested by her father, Jeremy. Jeremy maintains his innocence even after a polygraph test showed him to be lying. He took another lie detector test at his hometown police department, and brought the results for Dr. Phil to review. What does an independent polygrapher say about this second test? Then, Jeremy asked to undergo hypnosis as another means of getting closer to the truth. Were there any new revelations? And, Jeremy had agreed to supervised visits with Kaylee, but when he got home, he changed his mind, so Krista denied him visitation. They end up facing off in front of a judge. Did Krista serve jail time or let Jeremy see Kaylee? Is Jeremy being falsely accused, or is this little girl still in harm's way? Talk about the show here.

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December 1, 2006, 12:15 pm PST

to worried grandmother

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I totally agree with Frustrated Grandmother.  Dr. Phil, you are off the mark on this one.  I emailed your show two weeks ago regarding a case involving DHS in Arkansas.  It does not involved child molestation, but it does involve my niece who was 6 months old at the time and tested positive for methamphetamine.  Long story short, my husband & I were granted custody of her for 9 months and she has since been returned to her mother.  You see, in Arkansas unless a heinous crime has been committed against the child, apparently being drug addicted at 6 months IS NOT heinous, then the goal is always reunification with the parent.  We had numerous problems with Arkansas DHS and were called "baby stealers" by the DHS attorney.  Dr. Phil, I think you need to look into some of these cases and report on the failing of the system that is in place to protect the children.  The only people DSH/CPS or whoever is looking out for is the parents and their rights, not the children. 

 

Also Frustrated in Kansas

try writting to your senator or some of the high archie that need to do their jobs, Have them check out your report and why nothin is bein done.

 

I have to say I have not had bad response from CPS. my heart goes out to you.

 

grandmother,

 
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December 1, 2006, 12:18 pm PST

11/28 Jeremy Returns

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For some reason the first time I came to the board I could not get my cursor in the big box so figured we just got to type a few words, LOL  Couldnt figure it out....  sry new to this board an tryin to get the hang of it. THIS is much better! Thanks :)
No problem.... I know the feeling.... I am pretty new to all of this as well... I am glad you did not take offence to my pointing that out.... and thank you for that.... debate on.....
 
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December 1, 2006, 12:24 pm PST

The child reports!

Dr.Phil

In the clip you showed, oVer and over and I never heard anyone make a response to.

The clip where the child is being held by her mom,, gettin her out of the truck and she the child says' "THEY TOUCHED MY PEPEE" Well, everyone blames Jeremy, (I'm not saying he  is innocent' But the little girl uses the word THEY touched her pepee. well my english class taught me that meant more than one.  So who else is the child referring to.

 

I watch this show all the time, I have never seen a miss like this one.

 

Please answer this one.

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December 1, 2006, 12:26 pm PST

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          Wait a minute- just because a parent puts their child on their lap and swings DOES NOT make them guilty of sexual abuse!!!!- I did that with my kids when they were that age- and so did my husband- infact my own father did it with me and he was the best father ever!! I am positive there are tons of people that have done that - so let's not take a innocent moment between children and their parents and turn it into an ugly thing!!!!
when I was young... molestation was happening to my friends..... and I mean that they were being abused by their families.... and this was before I UNDERSTOOD that I was being molested by a family friend... BUT my father was so afraid that someone would take his affection the WRONG way.... he did not swing with me.... and I did not get to sit on his lap... and he hardly ever hugged me...... I missed out on affection from my dad.... and I hate to think that that is happening more and more.... it is too easy to point a finger... and ruin someone's life....
 
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December 1, 2006, 12:29 pm PST

I agree with re: AR CPS

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Note to Dr. Phil... I am a Grandmother who has been worried about my 5 year old granddaughter since she was about 5 months old. I have always thought her "father" and I use that term very loosely, has been sexually abusing her, as well as emotional and physical abuse. My granddaughter had demonstrated some disturbing actions and made statements that led me to believe she was being abused. My daughter is stuck in this very abusive relationship and she doesnt know what to do. Unfortunatley, I was in the same situation withe her father many years ago. My daughter was sexually mistreated by her stepfather and I didnt do anything. I have lived with that guilt for years now. I finally got my head on straight 7 years ago and now I see the error of the choices I made back then and how there are perpetuating through the generations. I am trying to stop that cycle with my granddaughter but I feel it is too late. The DHS has been out to my daughters house on more than a few occasions. I had to raise my granddaughter for 6 months because  the father and the other grandmother, as well as my daughter were accused of physical abuse of my granddaughter. During the time she was with me, she shared many stories with me that I just couldn't take. I called DHS and shared with them what she had told me and I was told that unless my granddaughter explicitly stated she saw naked bodies there was nothing they could do. She was 4 at the time.... she new enough to tell me what she saw and what she was made to do with her other grandmother of all people.

 

So... when I hear you say that you just don't believe that Child Protective Services would not follow up on a complaint I have to disagree. This was in Arkansas and they said they would make sure that my call was documented but they did not see any cause for an investigation. Maybe you should do a show on the breakdown of this system in America. My daughter and the father both got off from the charge of abuse and I had to return my beautiful granddaughter back to them. She went from a very angry, uncontrollable, raging little 4 year old to a sweet little girl who said her prayers at night, flowering little girl in the 6 months I had her. I have since watched her return to the angry, frustrated little 5 year old that she is now.

 

Please Dr. Phil.... don't turn a blind eye the reality of the Child Protective Systems in this country. I am sure there are many offices that do the job they are supposed to do.... but the one in my county...... has much to be desired.

 

Frustrated Grandmother feeling helpless in Arkansas.

 I agree about the CPS (actually it's DHS - Department of Human Services). Two years ago my then 3 year old niece told her mom that a family member touched her in her privates and a few other things. Our town's police investigated it but since this person didn't remember it, and my niece wouldn't talk to any one about it...the police and DHS discounted it. Then my daughter told a counselor who got the state police involved and this person pled quilty...it took a year later. This person was a repeat offender ( had molested one of my kids 17 years ago....my sis-in-law was clueless...apparently her hubby never told her and we thought she knew the reason why our kids were never allowed at the molestor's home without either my husband or I there at all times). My sis-in-law and I were told by the DA that this person would serve time and they would not plea bargin...guess what??? He plead out and...six years SUSPENDED sentence and was suppose to register as a sex offender...picture and all on the AR registry...last I checked...a week ago - he still hadn't.  The sis in law gave up calling the DA's office about the registry...she just kept getting the run around with them.

So Dr. Phil...not all CPS/DHS are as good as CA....I dealt with CA and they did investigate my child's claim and the DA prosecuted...first offense so it was counseling and community service...It was actually first documented offense...he didn't want it to come out that he had a history of it with female family members...which I didn't know until after the facts...guess you could say I married into a family with secrets that have now been exposed.

 

 

Disllusioned Auntie in AR

 
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December 1, 2006, 12:37 pm PST

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Statistics can be manipulated in any way to fit your agenda. That is a fact. Unfortunately people like to use statistics to fit their agenda. I'm sure if someone was to give a statistic on something someone else could find a statistic to counter it. The more I read this message board the more I start to feel sorry for this child. Everyone has a right to their opinions but I find a lot of these opinions based on emotion and not facts. People are so quick to jump to a conclusion based on half truths and only bits and peices of the facts. That is what is wrong with shows like these. There is not enough time for everything to be laid out on the table so you are only given bits and peices of the information and that is usually the information that the producers think will make good TV. I'm sure that these people have very good intentions but to say someone is guilty because of the way they act, look, talk, etc. is not being objective.

 

Another thing I don't understand is why people say that children do not cry like that just because they don't want to go with someone else. I have 2 children and I can tell you that yes in fact they do. I have even seen other children act like that. When I first started taking my kid to daycare you would think I was beating the ever living crap out of her by the way she screamed and cried and carried on and begged "No mommy I don't want to go....I want to stay with you". I can assure you the daycare was not beating or molesting my child.

 

I find it interesting that people are debating over the fact that she wasn't potty trained at the age of 3. Children potty train at all ages. Some before 2 and some after 2. Doesn't mean a darn thing.

 

 

You are soooo right... about ALL of it....and, this should NEVER have been tried in public like this..... and I am really thinking that I HOPE that if Dr Phil does this again... that he does it with a man who has been tried and convicted in court first.... I think this was just a bad idea ALL AROUND......and as for the crying.... when my care giver would bring my daughter home after I got off work.... my daughter would scream and cry that she wanted to stay with my care giving... and when I would drop her off with the care giver she would scream and cry and wrap her arms TIGHT around me.. and say the same thing yours did.. NO MOMMY.. I don't WANT YOU TO LEAVE ME... I WANT TO STAY WITH YOU....... THEY JUST DO THAT.... and she has NEVER been abused at all.......
 
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December 1, 2006, 12:47 pm PST

BTW...

we have only seen the video that Bonii's side wants us to see.... there could be a bunch of other ones where Kaylee is acting just fine..... WE JUST DON'T HAVE ALL THE FACTS........ and again.... I just don't think Kaylee is being molested..... we as viewers only have about 20% of the story and facts.... YET... there are people here that 100% sure that THEY KNOW she is being abused by her father.... and that is just NOT fair to try him in public like this without ALL the facts.....
 
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December 1, 2006, 12:49 pm PST

I see your point but.....

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If Krista goes to jail then Jeremy gets Kaylee for fifteen days. As hard as it must be to let Kaylee go with her father, I think playing by the rules is the most  productive thing to do until the situation get straightened out. Whats worse, send ing kaylee to her dads every other weekend, or for 15 days in a row?
I see your point but 15 days,one weekend? Seems the outcome for Kaylee will be the same. I was abused by a so called "family member" on and for 3 years. It made no difference if it was a weekend or an evening-the damage to my life was done. There is no way that man should be allowed to breathe the same air as Kaylee not for a weekend,not for fifteen days,not ever.
 
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December 1, 2006, 12:55 pm PST

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As an adult incest survivor and a mother of three children, one of which we suspect was molested by her biological father (I am now divorced from the biological father of my three children who are now adopted by their stepfather), I will say that I am sympathetic to Krista's fears. 

 

I was however disturbed by the videotapes of the visitation exchanges.  I was upset to see the way Krista spoke to Kaylee about the abuse.  Perhaps I view things differently than most, but even when my daughter (5 at the time) came home from visitations informing me that her bio-father made her sleep in the bed with him and he was in nothing more than his underwear, we acted like nothing was wrong so as not to disturb our daughter further, and we immediately moved to change visitation from unsupervised to supervised.  I was successful, I think primarily because I made the decision not to discuss any of this with my child.  Rather than feeding into it, I played it off while moving within the bounds of the court system, so when my child was interviewed, it was easily apparent to the interviewers that in fact there was NO coaching.

 

Now, some background into my particular case, my ex caused my oldest two children to be placed in the custody of social services because he refused to watch them while I worked, and my oldest daughter who suffers from ADHD (impulsive type) liked to venture outdoors unattended (at 3) and so the girls were placed in custody for 10 months while we fought to bring them back home.  A second time my middle girl was placed in custody because my ex hit her (he admitted it to the police so I was not charged) and it took me 14 months to get her back.  During the time my younger daughter was in custody my ex never visited her once (he lived less than 3 blocks from the agency, while I was living over an hour away and I made the drive as often as I was allowed to with my current husband).  The second time my younger daughter was taken I had been separated from my ex for six months, but still she was taken because I didnt protect her, even though I was not present when he hit her.  So, believe me, I do not believe in the social services system, as they took one child, and left two others in my custody (I couldnt protect one, but was good enough to care for 2 other children, all while I had letters of recommendation from the kids school, daycare, doctors, etc?)  With everything going on, I am really surprised that Krista hasn't had Kaylee removed from her custody, as is very common in a dispute like this one...take the child into foster care and do the investigation from there.

 

If Krista really wants this to be investigated completely, she needs to cease discussing it in any fashion and allow Kaylee's counselor (I pray this child has one) and physician figure it out, and submit the reports to the courts.  The courts view the recommendations of counselors much more highly than that of parents in a custody dispute.  Often CPS will not even hear the complaints of parents in a custody dispute, because far too often child abuse is alledged in these battles. That is why Krista should stop discussing it, and leave it up to professinals.

 

I hope things work out for the best for Krista and Kaylee.

 

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December 1, 2006, 1:00 pm PST

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I am no professional but anyone that believes Jeremy is out of their minds.  He is guilty and I want him and everyone out there to know that he will be caught.  He needs to go to jail for life.  I am so sick that the judicial system is blowing this off.  Come on America where is the Justice!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I am so sorry for Kaylee and her mom and family that truly do love her. Jeremy you deserve to rott in Jail and then again in Hell unless you get help.

 

If you are innocent then you should want supervised visitation untill your name is cleared.  You are guilty and everyone knows it.  Just the fact that you will not see a counselor with Kaylee proves above all that you are guilty.  I hope you spend the rest of your life in Prison.

 

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