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Created on : Tuesday, November 21, 2006, 02:20:16 pm
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Dr. Phil follows up with Krista and Bonii's quest for the truth, to find out if 3-year-old Kaylee is being molested by her father, Jeremy. Jeremy maintains his innocence even after a polygraph test showed him to be lying. He took another lie detector test at his hometown police department, and brought the results for Dr. Phil to review. What does an independent polygrapher say about this second test? Then, Jeremy asked to undergo hypnosis as another means of getting closer to the truth. Were there any new revelations? And, Jeremy had agreed to supervised visits with Kaylee, but when he got home, he changed his mind, so Krista denied him visitation. They end up facing off in front of a judge. Did Krista serve jail time or let Jeremy see Kaylee? Is Jeremy being falsely accused, or is this little girl still in harm's way? Talk about the show here.

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July 17, 2007, 5:47 am PDT

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Ok, well, how does one get a paper cut from sexual activity then?  That doesn't make any more sense either.


Men working jobs handling rough and sharp objects have very rough hands.

thier fingers can have broken caulases that would indeed scratch.

Also fingernails can be sharp, expecially if unkept, broken?

many answers can explain it, many.  The biggest problem I see

is the same one teh ER staff seen: it was very late, she cried from

her sleep enough to be taken in to a hospital with no explaination of

how it possibly happened.  The emotions displayed by the child and

adult with her alerted the staff.

It hurts at the time of injury!

 
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July 17, 2007, 6:07 am PDT

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The father did not come up with 5 different reasons for how it happened, he clearly said that he didnt know how it happened and had to speculate as to how it could have happened.

 

But lets look at the facts.

 

-The mother has admitted to coaching her daughter.

 

-The grandmother very clearly has a grudge against this guy.

 

-The mother has a grudge against this guy.

 

-The grandmother has a history of stiring up trouble.

 

-there is NO evidence of molestation.

 

-Kaylee changes her story when interviewed by councilers and adds things in (ie: her father touched her pee pee with a folk).

 

-The father has a mental illness which can explain things like the pauses he makes and his disposition.

 

But for some reason people seem to be stuck on the small tear on her labia, "they touched my pee pee" and the footage of Kaylee crying when her father collects her. Do you think that the latter two could be a result of the mother coaching Kaylee and the tear was not the result of molestation (like the medical examiner said)?

 

Why is it so easy to damn someone when the evidence doesnt support the accusation, yet when the evidence suggests something else it is ignored?

to be respected and believable teh facts should actually be the facts.

 

*Mother admited to her dramatics of emotions coaching more drama.  Common

that some people may say and do that in some situations, as like here.

*The Grandmother did nto grudge anyone until teh child was treated as if

she was a liar and a stranger in the childs life was allowed so much

freedom to abuse, even leavign out the sexual abuse.

*The Mother went out of her way to seek the father to be in Kaylee's life.

even tried hard to not believe harm happened by him after first 2 incidents?

*The Grandmother does not have a history of stiring up trouble unless you call

speaking out against coruption a crime? 

** Kaylee actually did not change her stories, only Jeremy did.  More was added to what

kaylee told over the course of the show regarding what she said, not her changing, but

rather adding to it.   A 3 year old verse a grown man, who's story held water?

** Mental illness is not a pre disposition for crime!  That is absurd!

most people with the kind of disorder he claims is more passive people, problems with self,

not arrogance and abusive.  Also the medication he did not take would not cause waht you describe.

FACT: Accusations that lean so close to a person defending themself or one like them is

a troubling method to show what evidence should be given by a small child? 

Sexual abuse does not leave evidence as so many want.  Fact is that is why most  sexual

abuse to small children is so easily explained away by perpatrators.

I have worked around mental illness: they are the least likely to harm.

medications cannot cause and effect when they are not taken!

 

I will give Jeremy this: when his childs mother invited him to her 2nd birthday party he did come, most like him who choose to stay away and not pay support would not.  He held up well

against his own wife stating she did not understand why Kaylee was afraid to be alone with him.

He also did very well in grudging enough to go after his childs mother repeatedly after the show

to cause her troubles and dispite the harm to Kaylee he persisted until he had her jailed from her newborn and family regardless of his own wife being halfof the decision that caused the confusion to get jail time?  He has little troubles thinking or speaking when he wants something bad enough? He also was very good for some time in agreeing to not be alone with Kaylee.

He should try taking the medication 1 Doctor previously prescribed, maybe it would help him.

The alcohol hasn't. Shame is now though, that counseling was some time ago, he would have to agree to new counseling,  from what I have seen so far to date, he still refuses that, even for

kaylee's best interest? 

 

 
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July 24, 2007, 9:35 am PDT

Jeremy etc.

Me and my girl, 16 ( we live in Holland) , just so the show 's about Jeremy. Today, it is tuesday and we saw the tree shows. We don't know what to believe anymore. This is a show taken in 2006. Is Dr .Phil also on this forum??? What is going on now, is he guilty??? We don't like Jeremy at al, but there are so many people in the US , pffff, what is the word, no, I am not gone say it, but...... Thank God, we live in Holland. I do not believe he did this. There is something goning on, that's for sure. What about het barby story

 

 
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August 17, 2007, 10:37 am PDT

authority's continuating sexual/emotional abuse..

Dear dr.Phil,

 

I dont know if this message will reach you, but I’m willing to try. I saw the shows about Kaylee, Krista, Jeremy and Onii on air in Holland. Here the shows are shown a year later.

 

I think it’s a good!! thing the subject ( and complicity) of sexual abuse of children is brought more to the attention of people wrold wide. For me the shows proved the power of denial, all sings point at Jeremy being guilty, but people keep doubting, can not believe it, he’s guilty. When Jeremy started talking about ‘sleepwalking’, he allready proved his guilt for me, already he was trying to cover himself, in case truth would came out. He’s failing and manipulating tests, come on, how much prove can be given.

 

I think it’s a bad thing Krista is being forced into counceling with the abuser of her daugther, being forced to work things out with this man. In a relationship like this for me it’s very obvious the person with te less love inside is the one determing the relationship.

Instead of the abuser being brought to jail, Krista is the one being threatened with jail, and why? Only for trying to protect her child. I think she’s being traumatized aswell. Who can blame her for doing all what is in her power te protect her child. She’s bringing it into publicity because it’s the only thing for her left she can do. How many sexual abused children are hoping en praying for their mothers’s to rescue  them? How many mothers dónt rescue them? When Kaylee will be able to come out with the truth, I hope she will be heard and acknowleged, and above all, protected.

 

I believe Onii when she’s tells the authority’s dont want the truth to come out. These things with ahthority’s making these kind of mistakes, dont’t only happen in America, they happen all over the wrold. My own experience learned me, most authority’s are not willing to admit making (big) mistakes. Because hiding their own mistakes or cause of loyalty towards their colleges they remain silent. My experience learned me, the continuation of emotional en sexual abuse by authorized person’s is more common than exceptional. For me it’s obvious the authority’s are trying to make Onii look bad by saying she’s stirring trouble an haunting people down. I believe Onii is a brave woman dearing to fight these authority’s, fighting for the truth to come out.

 

Why a gandmother would send a tape of her granddaughter to a wrold wide show, only for getting back at her daughter’s ex husband? It makes no sense!

Why a mother with three cildren to care for would go trough so much trouble only for getting back at her ex? It makes no sense! For me it’s obvious Krista is the one person being wrongly accused of alienating.

 

I hope truth will come out more and more, wroldwide, about the complicity round proving sexual and emotional abuse, and round authority’s CONTINUATE these abuse aswell.

 

A survivor of emotional and sexual abuse.

 

 
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September 11, 2007, 10:46 am PDT

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Dear dr.Phil,

 

I dont know if this message will reach you, but Im willing to try. I saw the shows about Kaylee, Krista, Jeremy and Onii on air in Holland. Here the shows are shown a year later.

 

I think its a good!! thing the subject ( and complicity) of sexual abuse of children is brought more to the attention of people wrold wide. For me the shows proved the power of denial, all sings point at Jeremy being guilty, but people keep doubting, can not believe it, hes guilty. When Jeremy started talking about sleepwalking, he allready proved his guilt for me, already he was trying to cover himself, in case truth would came out. Hes failing and manipulating tests, come on, how much prove can be given.

 

I think its a bad thing Krista is being forced into counceling with the abuser of her daugther, being forced to work things out with this man. In a relationship like this for me its very obvious the person with te less love inside is the one determing the relationship.

Instead of the abuser being brought to jail, Krista is the one being threatened with jail, and why? Only for trying to protect her child. I think shes being traumatized aswell. Who can blame her for doing all what is in her power te protect her child. Shes bringing it into publicity because its the only thing for her left she can do. How many sexual abused children are hoping en praying for their motherss to rescue  them? How many mothers dónt rescue them? When Kaylee will be able to come out with the truth, I hope she will be heard and acknowleged, and above all, protected.

 

I believe Onii when shes tells the authoritys dont want the truth to come out. These things with ahthoritys making these kind of mistakes, dontt only happen in America, they happen all over the wrold. My own experience learned me, most authoritys are not willing to admit making (big) mistakes. Because hiding their own mistakes or cause of loyalty towards their colleges they remain silent. My experience learned me, the continuation of emotional en sexual abuse by authorized persons is more common than exceptional. For me its obvious the authoritys are trying to make Onii look bad by saying shes stirring trouble an haunting people down. I believe Onii is a brave woman dearing to fight these authoritys, fighting for the truth to come out.

 

Why a gandmother would send a tape of her granddaughter to a wrold wide show, only for getting back at her daughters ex husband? It makes no sense!

Why a mother with three cildren to care for would go trough so much trouble only for getting back at her ex? It makes no sense! For me its obvious Krista is the one person being wrongly accused of alienating.

 

I hope truth will come out more and more, wroldwide, about the complicity round proving sexual and emotional abuse, and round authoritys CONTINUATE these abuse aswell.

 

A survivor of emotional and sexual abuse.

 

So many seem to forget that the Grandmother sent the tape to the Dr. Phil staff,

who aired it.  If she is wrong so is Dr. Phil because he aired them.

putting a face to acrime is not as bad as many think it is.  It does get teh attention

to help the victims all over the areas.  It is sad society needs that btu they do, it's been proven over and over.  The reason we do have better laws on abuse from rape to leaving a mark is because of

the media putting a face to the crimes.  It is sad but fact of life.

 

I agree who coudl be allienating when it was Kaylee's Mom who invited the father into her life because he was absent and contributed nothing to her life.  Kaylee's Mom had a man and otehr children, she obviously did not want Jeremy.  As children grow they ask about family, she was trying to get that for her daughter, a choice she will forever regret now?

 

I too KNOW the feelings that stay with you always.  We as a society is much better abotu this topic but we also still have a long way to go.

 
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September 17, 2007, 10:15 am PDT

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That doesn't answer my question at all.

answer is in stats listed in many sites regarding abuse of small children.

the area of injury is skin similar to our facial lips.  It heals and stops hurting rather quickly.

it is also very thin skin.  There is people who work with metals or similar items that have very rough hands, caluses, cuts tares of dead skin on fingers etc...  it is like a paper cut with 'like' the key word to describe

what it can be compared to?  Bottom line is the professionals at teh ER turned this in as sexual abuse because it was very late and hurt.  the type of injury where it was would hurt at the time of injury not hours later.  Children especially conplain most at teh time of injury to voice it in cries and demand relief most then.  Not too hard for the professionals to know it was a very recent injury thus had to happen within a short time of the ER visit, certainly not while she was sleeping?

 
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September 17, 2007, 5:43 pm PDT

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answer is in stats listed in many sites regarding abuse of small children.

the area of injury is skin similar to our facial lips.  It heals and stops hurting rather quickly.

it is also very thin skin.  There is people who work with metals or similar items that have very rough hands, caluses, cuts tares of dead skin on fingers etc...  it is like a paper cut with 'like' the key word to describe

what it can be compared to?  Bottom line is the professionals at teh ER turned this in as sexual abuse because it was very late and hurt.  the type of injury where it was would hurt at the time of injury not hours later.  Children especially conplain most at teh time of injury to voice it in cries and demand relief most then.  Not too hard for the professionals to know it was a very recent injury thus had to happen within a short time of the ER visit, certainly not while she was sleeping?

Speculation, speculation, speculation....

Maybe you can speak for yourself, but injuries I get to my gential area don't stop hurting really quickly...and I'm a grown woman.


 
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September 23, 2007, 7:46 pm PDT

Jeremy returns

Hi im Kylie from australia, im just inquiring as to what happen to Jeremy and his daughther? If he was guilty or not.
 
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January 24, 2008, 4:13 pm PST

Another Arkansas frustrated mother

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Note to Dr. Phil... I am a Grandmother who has been worried about my 5 year old granddaughter since she was about 5 months old. I have always thought her "father" and I use that term very loosely, has been sexually abusing her, as well as emotional and physical abuse. My granddaughter had demonstrated some disturbing actions and made statements that led me to believe she was being abused. My daughter is stuck in this very abusive relationship and she doesnt know what to do. Unfortunatley, I was in the same situation withe her father many years ago. My daughter was sexually mistreated by her stepfather and I didnt do anything. I have lived with that guilt for years now. I finally got my head on straight 7 years ago and now I see the error of the choices I made back then and how there are perpetuating through the generations. I am trying to stop that cycle with my granddaughter but I feel it is too late. The DHS has been out to my daughters house on more than a few occasions. I had to raise my granddaughter for 6 months because  the father and the other grandmother, as well as my daughter were accused of physical abuse of my granddaughter. During the time she was with me, she shared many stories with me that I just couldn't take. I called DHS and shared with them what she had told me and I was told that unless my granddaughter explicitly stated she saw naked bodies there was nothing they could do. She was 4 at the time.... she new enough to tell me what she saw and what she was made to do with her other grandmother of all people.

 

So... when I hear you say that you just don't believe that Child Protective Services would not follow up on a complaint I have to disagree. This was in Arkansas and they said they would make sure that my call was documented but they did not see any cause for an investigation. Maybe you should do a show on the breakdown of this system in America. My daughter and the father both got off from the charge of abuse and I had to return my beautiful granddaughter back to them. She went from a very angry, uncontrollable, raging little 4 year old to a sweet little girl who said her prayers at night, flowering little girl in the 6 months I had her. I have since watched her return to the angry, frustrated little 5 year old that she is now.

 

Please Dr. Phil.... don't turn a blind eye the reality of the Child Protective Systems in this country. I am sure there are many offices that do the job they are supposed to do.... but the one in my county...... has much to be desired.

 

Frustrated Grandmother feeling helpless in Arkansas.

Dr. Phil.

i am a mother of two beautiful children. My son Caleb who is 4 and a daughter Riley who is 1. Caleb is by my x and let me tell you it has been a bad journey. His father lives in Kansas where we all used to live. Me and his father graduated high school in Arkansas together then moved to Kansas to attend college, meanwhile I got pregnant and had my son July, 14 2003. It was great but his father just acted like he didnt care about either one of us, so I packed our stuff adn moved back to Arkansas with my family. His father would rarely come and see him but gave me a hard time because his family lived in the same town I lived in and he wanted them to see him. So I agreed and let his mother visit every other weekend till things started going badly. I decided it was time to take it to court and let the judge set visitations. Of course his father got him 1 3 day weekend out of the month and of course his scheduled holidays and 3 two week intervals for summer visitations.  Christmas time came and my son went out to his grandmothers with his father and cousins, aunts, and uncles. And I guess you could say everything was going fine. Januarary came and my son started getting errections not he is only 2 at this time. I took him to dr. after dr. and they sent him to urologist and they couldnt find out what was bothering him. It either was hurting him or scariing him because he cried everytime he got one which was 3 to 4 times a day. We took him to another dr. and she was suspicious because he didnt want her touching him or looking at him down there. She requested we send him to a therapist.She said he acted as if someone had messed with him but she wasnt exactly for sure. We took him to the therapist (psychiatrist) and of course I went in first while my son set in the waiting room with his aunt and I told her the problems we were having. Then I had to go out of the room and he came in and she had anatomical dolls to display after she got him used to her. She called me in and let him go back out and told me he had been sexually molested and she was 100% sure. So I lost it as any mother would do. I asked her if he asid any names and she said no that he was afraid but he did tell her it was a girl a young girl and that was it. I was in shock. I didnt know what to do I kinda knew or had a clue because there was a girl my son didnt like and would cry when she was mentioned and it never came to my mind but then it did. It was his fathers 11 year old neice. I kept my son in therapy and also kept him away from his father and he got better. The same year in May I got served with papers for contempt of court..Keeping my son away from his father. So I got my lawyer, we had the therapist testify in court. She told the judge everything about what he did to the anatomical dolls and everything. He could have cared less. He gave his father an extra week in the summer for my contempt  meaning my 2 year old son went ot Kansas City for 3 weeks. His father told me he had a great job where he could take him to work with him everyday.. I called my son non stop and he was constantly crying. I had a bad feeling something was going on.. So one day I called his fathers house phone annonmously while I knew he was at work and his 11 year old neice answered the phone. I about hit the floor. His father was told in court by the judge, that until we found who was molesting him to keep all of his neices and nephews away. Of course that didnt happen and he never took my son to work with him either. He let his 11 year old neice babysit my son from 7 in the morning to 7 at night. Just them two... When my son came home he was a totally different child. Cryed over anything had anger issues and everything. He got home around 9 that night and the very next morning he had a therapy appointment. He told everything he said the neice made him do all kinds of things to her and she did things to him.. I could have KILLED her and the whole family. The therapist said he was threatened is why he didnt say any names before but she told him that he would be protected. So he told. She had to call DHS and they came to my house twice two different women she talked to us as a family then my son by himself he told her everything that the therapist had told me. So they go to the neices house which wasnt 30 minutes from my house. The mother refused to talk which is allowed, so they ruled the case unsubstaniated. They did NOTHING...Now my son is 4.. I have kept him away from his father again, ang again I got served with papers 1 day before a year.. He went a whole year and never talked to my son.  I finally got my little boy back he was acting normal again the therapist discharged him as well, she thought he was doing amazing. Now were back to where we started my son has to go to his grandmothers every other weekend without any mionors being around and I did agree to that because what could go wrong she lived in the same town and it kept him from goint to Kansas City. Now the neice is there everytime my son is there and he is acting the same way he did before so I stopped her rights but his father gets his rights and they will not keep his neice away the courts said as long as they were supervised..That is crap. I dont know what to do Its feels like I am allowing it to happen but if I dont let my son go I could loose him to sorry excuse of a father and family forever. I love my son and would do anything for him..What do I do..The DHS and State Police will not do crap..I cant deal with this. I want to keep my kids safe and I need backup...The system is cruel to children my son done NOTHING to deserve this.

 
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June 16, 2008, 4:27 am PDT

Jeremy seems like a pathological liar

I am a big fan of the Dr. Phil show but I am disturbed about the show concerning Jeremy. His nonverbal behavior indicates dishonesty and he's made a few slipups. Watch carefully in the first show when Dr. Phil pulls him to the private room and asks him if he would agree to a polygraph. Why does Jeremy mumble "ok it can't be used in court" and why does he swallow nervously on stage whenever Dr. Phil mentions the results of the polygraph test. I'm not a professional I'm just a woman and mother with female intuition. I truly believe Jeremy is a pathological liar. I have had experience with pathological liars to recognize the behaviors. Pathological liars will go to their deaths lying and they lie because they truly have convinced themselves of their lies. That's why they're so convincing. If I had a million dollars and had to bet my life on the bible that I'm convinced he's lying I would do it. Please bring in an expert behavioral analyst. He's fooling you.

A concerned mother.

 
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