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July 12, 2008, 5:03 am PDT

Thank you...

For not beating me up and trying to educate me instead!  I really do appreciate your opinions (and Ami - your long posts).

 

Neecie - what you said about things that go on here in our own neighbourhoods, towns and cities is absolutely true.  Did you know that we've just had our 29th homicide here in Toronto this year?  I think we're surpassing a record for violence.  Most of these homicides have been committed by children - those  under 18 who carry guns and take knives to school.  It's unnerving.  This fall, when school starts again, there will be police officers in the corridors of some schools.  Hell, when I was a kid we had hall monitors - you know, the goody-goody kids who would report on you if you didn't have a hall pass to go to the washroom.

 

And the police force here - well I do admire them for what they take on every day.  But lately, several have been arrested for participating in drug grow-ops, sexual abuse and absconding with evidence (i.e. rifles, guns, explosives).  They don't spend jail time - they get suspended or demoted.  It takes away from all of those who try to do good.  Who do you trust?

 

And Ami - I did live under a dictatorship in Brazil.  I think I was only seventeen when I realized that yes, there were two parties you could vote for, but if you voted for the wrong one you could get shot.  My family was stopped several times at roadblocks for no reason, just because we looked different and had a big car.  At one point she of the feather boa didn't have her passport, so she was escorted home by the military to get it, while my father and brother and I waited in the car, surrounded by machine guns, until they brought  her back.  I hesitate to say this, but they only let us go because we were Canadians.  It helped that Mom charmed them.

 

At nineteen, the man I fell in love with in Brazil (an American who worked for Firestone at the time) was relocated to Chile.  I followed him there a few months later.  It  was just after the Allende bombings.  I took the bus from the Santiago airport to La Serena where he lived.  All I can remember are the craters in the roads, the bullet holes in the walls.  And the sad, sad faces of the people.  There was a curfew - you were only allowed to go out between ten in the morning and ten at night.  If you were on the streets during "the bad hours" you'd get shot.  No questions asked.

 

So yes, I'm conflicted.  I've never been one to react on what the media says - because everything to me is on a personal level.  If I were to harm anyone in anyway, it would be because they're right there in my face at my own doorstep where I live, threatening someone I love. 

 

I do admire all of you though for your strength of conviction and your patriotism.  I accept it and will try to continue to understand.

 

Thanks again.

 

T. 

 

 

 

 

 
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July 12, 2008, 3:13 pm PDT

Hi Kelly...

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How's everyone going these days? I hope all is well with you and your's right now, we are doing well and I am taking things one day at a time and slowly getting there!

 

Have started going for a 30 minute walk each day this week and am really starting to enjoy it. It's doing me good to get out of the house for those 30 minutes!

 

Stephanie is on School Holidays right now and so far she's enjoying the holidays. Each morning when I go for a walk, I leave Stephanie here at home, she is fine as she just watches the TV and I make sure the house is locked up well.  I can't really take her with me, as she walks too slow and I like to walk fast, also where I walk to and back is quite a long walk, so it's too much for her little legs. Mark knows that I do this and is fine with it. Stephanie hardly knows that I'm gone and when I get back, as she is so interested in what's on the Idot Box(TV)!

 

Well I might leave it at this for now, but I will return soon, till next time you all Take Care and hope to hear from you soon, Love Kelly.

I know I'm very late in my response to your post but saw that no one else had replied to it and I just HAD to respond as it bothered me...

 

I know you are a very good mum, so don't take this wrong, but... Please do not leave your sweetheart, Stephanie, home by herself for half an hour -- or even a few minutes. I know it is not convenient for you, but so many things can happen while she is there by herself. I'd rather err on the side of caution.

 

Can you get a "stroller" type buggy so you can walk at your own pace and push her in it? I've seen lots of these "baby joggers" where the mum can run while pushing their little ones ahead of them. I'll look for a website, oh, here's one... and they are not too expensive.

 

[http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_ba/104-0982212-1509518?initialSearch=1&url=search-alias%3Dbaby-products&field-keywords=baby+joggers&tag=themusicsource866-20]

 

Copy this website address, paste into the address box, remove the brackets, and "enter"

 

You'll probably find other sites that are in your area. Do a search for "baby joggers" or "strollers"

 

I know you would not deliberately leave Stephanie in harms way, but sometimes we overlook the possible consequences by not considering everything. Love to you and hope I've helped. :-) kak

 

 
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July 12, 2008, 3:25 pm PDT

Yes Ami...

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As you know I have several members of my family and friends that are in and out of Iraq like there is a revolving door to it. lol Not one have I heard nay say their tours. All have made firm believers of me that we are in there doing the right thing. One of my cousin's father told me his son wants to go back that he loved helping the people there and that they were grateful we are there, that for the first time they were actually 'free'. Something we all take for granted sadly.  That cousin helped people that big day of voting, the one where the old people signed their names to the ballots because they were so proud to vote for the first time in their lives!!

 

Keep talking to people who have been there Janet and I think you will find real peace and pride in what is going on there. And remember he trained in one of the finest most advanced militaries in the world, and is doing what he has trained all this time to be ready to do. Mama worrying is normal hon, but also be very proud of him, our guys and gals need that most of all.

 

Oh and never forget bad news sells newspapers and the media feeds on garbage. My father when he was in the Vietnam war (he was there three years) used to tell mom not to believe but half of what they reported if that much. He despised news reporters for their need to sell being more valuable than the need for honesty.  Sadly there is so much they don't tell us, we only get to hear what apologists American's should be. Nonsense I say!! Pffft!  What is crazy is it takes a full time job of researching to debunk the horseshit the media feeds us regarding the war.

 

Remember this Janet, you know in your heart what is right and what it wrong. A country's leader that is killing his own people is wrong plain and simple. We did the right thing and now it is taking time to rebuild. Too many people in this country have a drive-thru window mentality and think a war should be over lickidy split. Right, it took us 35 years to stabilize our own government and country following the Revolutionary war, it took Europe 10 years following WWII, you simply do not rebuild a nation from the ground up over night. Everyone with any understanding of the goals knew this. Our media counts on people being too ignorant to understand the full extent of the goals. And sadly too often they are right. I am constantly amazed at those that have no inkling what our military is even doing in reality, but hell they know about dog leashes on prisoners necks and woohoo that makes them a freakin expert don't ya know!!! 

 

Eeeek, ok so I didn't mean to get on a soapbox and into a hissy fit over it all. Sorry bout that. I know that we don't often tackle hot topics here, but as this one is affecting not only you but also Kelly and I have very strong thoughts on the subject.  Not only that but isn't Kak's daughter in the service also?

 

It's ok to be scared for your guys and gals, it is normal. But they are doing what they have intensely trained and chose to do. Honor them and their mission!!!

 

Hugs,

Ami

xoxoxox

 

 

My 38-year-old daughter is in the Army National Guard. So far, she has not been called up, but she has a few years left of her service and fully expects that she may be sent overseas.

 

I'd much prefer that she stay in the states as a drill instructor, preparing the troops for their stints in Iraq, but the United States Department of Defense has not asked me for my preferences...

 

<heavy, heavy, sigh> :-} kak

 

 

 
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July 12, 2008, 3:31 pm PDT

Thank you Ami for your views...

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Ok so I didn't mean that people are ignorant as in dumb or stupid, I mean that people are not familiar and therefore ignorant of the big picture goals...ignorant meaning uninformed.  (And the media counts on the public being uninformed and also being to busy to actually become informed...) Clear as mud?

 

<sigh> If I offended anyone it certainly wasn't my intent, when I reread my post it kinda sounded harsh which wasn't the intent at all.

 

Ok bed is calling,

Ami ;)

 

 

and I did not think you were being too harsh. I'm much rather know what is going on for real from those who are serving over there. I like knowing that you have had contact with several in the military who have given you the "real deal".

 

No way could I ever picture myself doing the job they are doing, and I thank God that they are willing to serve, and I pray for their safety and well-being while they work so hard over there in the heat and dust and hope they know that most Americans support them even if we don't know why exactly they must be there. You help educate me every time you post about this. Thank you! Love, kak

 

 

 
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July 12, 2008, 4:05 pm PDT

Ami, you kill me!!! (but in a GOOD way...LOL)

I just about FOC (fell off chair) ROLF (rolling on the floor) PMP (peeing my pants) at your...

 *wonders if rolling eyes so much can cause them to get stuck rolling forever*

 

          You rock!!

 

 

 
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July 12, 2008, 4:22 pm PDT

And don't forget... (Thanks JP)

Irena Sendler  

There recently was a death of a 98 year-old lady named Irena.

 

During WWII, Irena got permission to work in the Warsaw Ghetto, as a Plumbing/Sewer specialist. She had an 'ulterior motive.'  Being German, she KNEW what the Nazi's plans were for the Jews. Irena smuggled infants out in the bottom of the tool box she carried. She carried a burlap sack in the back of her truck for larger kids. She also had a dog in the back that she trained to bark when the Nazi soldiers let her in and out of the ghetto. 

 

The soldiers, of course, wanted nothing to do with the dog and the barking covered the kids/infants noises.  During her time of doing this, she managed to smuggle out and save 2500 kids/infants. 

 

She was caught and the Nazi's broke both her legs and arms and beat her severely.  Irena kept a record of the names of all the kids she smuggled out and kept them in a glass jar  buried under a tree in her back yard.  After the war she tried to locate any parents that may have survived it and reunite their family.  Most, of course, had been gassed.  Those kids she helped got placed into foster family homes or adopted. 

 

Last year Irena was up for the Nobel Peace Prize but she was not selected. Al Gore won, for a slide show on Global Warming.

 

Check out her full story at:    [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irena_Sendler]

 

 

 
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July 12, 2008, 4:41 pm PDT

KAK vs HOA

So far, no progress, but I did get a group of about 50 started. Several of the group asked their questions on July 8, but we have had no real progress from the Board. Again, they'll probably just ignore us.

 

Several of our new group are willing to put up money to hire an attorney to help us with our cause. That seems to be the most hopeful idea. I'd prefer to just let it all go and just live in peace and let the Board do whatever they want, but then I get mad about it, and can't seem to back off. I guess I'm not kak for nothing. LOL

 

Maybe a military coup would do it.... Yee haw!! ;-D

 

 

 
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July 12, 2008, 4:52 pm PDT

To the love birds, Ron & Vicki!

I thought about you on the 7th but didn't remember when I was at my computer. Anyway, I was thinking of you both and glad I wasn't in Las Vegas again!

 

Here's something special for the two of you to share with each other...

 

 Let's go out and have some fun.
It doesn't matter where or when,
Or what we say or what we do,
As long as it's just me and you.

 

Let's be together for a while
And get to know each other well,
Exchanging jokes and tales and chatter
Before we get to things that matter.

 

Let's see what happens when we dance
Across an evening sky, and glimpse
Below the stirrings of a sea
That might--or not--wind-haunted be.

 

by Nicholas Gordon

 

 

 
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July 12, 2008, 11:13 pm PDT

HI KATHY...

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I know I'm very late in my response to your post but saw that no one else had replied to it and I just HAD to respond as it bothered me...

 

I know you are a very good mum, so don't take this wrong, but... Please do not leave your sweetheart, Stephanie, home by herself for half an hour -- or even a few minutes. I know it is not convenient for you, but so many things can happen while she is there by herself. I'd rather err on the side of caution.

 

Can you get a "stroller" type buggy so you can walk at your own pace and push her in it? I've seen lots of these "baby joggers" where the mum can run while pushing their little ones ahead of them. I'll look for a website, oh, here's one... and they are not too expensive.

 

[http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_ba/104-0982212-1509518?initialSearch=1&url=search-alias%3Dbaby-products&field-keywords=baby+joggers&tag=themusicsource866-20

 

Copy this website address, paste into the address box, remove the brackets, and "enter"

 

You'll probably find other sites that are in your area. Do a search for "baby joggers" or "strollers"

 

I know you would not deliberately leave Stephanie in harms way, but sometimes we overlook the possible consequences by not considering everything. Love to you and hope I've helped. :-) kak

 

How's things with you and Stan? Hope you're both doing well.

 

I don't mind what you've said here, cause my sister also said more or less the same thing. That it's not a good idea to leave Stephanie at home by herself, even for a very short time. As my sister said, "If I was to fall over and or faint whatever it may be and someone was to ring for an ambo and take me to hospital. It could be afew hours before I came to and I will be wondering what's happened to Stephanie. The hospital will not know where she is and if I was to turn around and say that I left her at home by herself, then the hospital will get on to the Dept of Social Services and then I would be in big trouble."

 

So, since then I haven't gone for my walks, have just decided to wait till the school holidays are finished which will be this coming Tuesday. Once Stephanie goes back to school, then I can go back to my walks.

 

Thank you Kathy for your concern!

 

You and Stan Take Care and enjoy what's left of your weekend, Love Kelly.

 
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July 14, 2008, 9:46 pm PDT

Kelly

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How's things with you and Stan? Hope you're both doing well.

 

I don't mind what you've said here, cause my sister also said more or less the same thing. That it's not a good idea to leave Stephanie at home by herself, even for a very short time. As my sister said, "If I was to fall over and or faint whatever it may be and someone was to ring for an ambo and take me to hospital. It could be afew hours before I came to and I will be wondering what's happened to Stephanie. The hospital will not know where she is and if I was to turn around and say that I left her at home by herself, then the hospital will get on to the Dept of Social Services and then I would be in big trouble."

 

So, since then I haven't gone for my walks, have just decided to wait till the school holidays are finished which will be this coming Tuesday. Once Stephanie goes back to school, then I can go back to my walks.

 

Thank you Kathy for your concern!

 

You and Stan Take Care and enjoy what's left of your weekend, Love Kelly.

How on earth did I miss that post about you and your walks?  KAK, as always, never misses a beat and you have just got to love her for being the kind and helpful  voice of reason.

 

Tell you what - once Stephanie is back in school I'll do those power walks with you.  We may be divided by an ocean but you won't be alone.  Hell knows, I could use the company.

 

Trace.

 

 

 

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