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July 18, 2008, 3:38 pm PDT

Neecie

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Hey everyone,

 

I just wanted to bring something up that has been bothering me, and find out what you all think about it.  I just watched an old Oprah show (don't know how old it is) and it was about a teenage boy that got lured into having an internet porn business when he was only 13.  Have any of you seen this?  It started out with a kid who was computer-savvy, who got a webcam, thinking that he could use it to make friends.  Almost immediately he got sucked in by predators and it escalated to something where he was basically pulling in thousands of dollars every week by doing live sex show son this webcam.  He's now become a federal witness and is in a protection program.

 

Obviously, this is a very scary thing, and I don't intend to let Erin have a webcam, or a computer in her rooma dn that kind of thing.  But I'm wondering about something that seems innocent, but I have a feeling that it's not.  At the store you can buy a Webkinz.  Also you can buy Bella Sara cards.  Both of these things lead the kids to websites that let them play games, feed the virtual animals, horses, whatever.  There was another site that I can't remember what it was called now, where the kid could create an avatar, that could earn money with a job, buy furniture for a house and stuff like that.  That one also allowed some chatting and interaction with other kids on the site, IF the parent allowed it, which I didn't.  I've checked out all these sites and they seem innocent enough; they profess to be closed, secure sites, blah, blah, blah.

 

My question is this... am I being paranoid in thinking that the actual purposes of these things is to get kids used to using the computer, used to "living" in a virtual world, chatting with other "kids", so that when they get older, they will be comfortable in sites that aren't so secure??  Am I dreaming up a conspiracy theory that it's the predators that have designed these sites?

 

I've definitely limited the time Erin can spend on these activities, although in recent months, there were times when I was so exhausted that I had to take a nap, and then I couldn't monitor how much time she was spending.  But these websites have always made me uncomfortable, even though they seemed to be safe. But lately, I haven't been as tired and of course, with visitors etc, she's been too busy to think much about it.  Erin has a good friend her age, who I completely approve of -- I know her parents very well.  But she is the one encouraging Erin to play in these sites.  I'm sure that the friend is very innocent and only wants to share this with her friend.  But she has an older brother (who also seems to be a good, decent kid) who I have never seen do anything BUT playing on the computer.

 

Am I crazy to be worrying about this?  Have any of you with kids had experience with these types of sites?

In my perfect world, there would be no computers.

 

Whatever will we do if the power goes out?  Maybe actually make a phone call and hear each other's voices and ask if everyone is okay?  Catch that gleam of emotion....  sense that thought.  Send hand-written notes? With a stamp from another country...

 

Play games with our kids that don't involve a mouse?  Sit in the dark with candles and tell stories?    Listen to our kids play a piano with flat notes and smile.  Or cuddle up in the dark under the covers and watch the sun set or rise...

 

MJ, who is almost three-years-old now,  sits on my knee when I'm checking my email, and wants to get into Treehouse or other games.   My solution - I shut down the computer.  That's it.

 

At some point I want her to remember that we have given her this whole, wonderful, playful world.  There is nothing on a computer screen that can duplicate that.

 

Neecie, you know me well enough to not ask me to explain what I've just written.

 

Unplug the damn thing...

 

xoxo

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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July 18, 2008, 4:31 pm PDT

Ami...

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I was going to catch up today, I got up feeling a wee bit better I thought, but the screen won't be still.  I am having the worst nausea/vertigo I can remember ever having. I am hoping it is just meds making me sick, it is some very strong stuff they have given me. I sleep in two hour runs at a time. My backside is getting plumb sore from it honestly.

 

Haven't heard from the docs yet about when to see the specialist about colon resection. My gp thinks I may want to do "elective colon resection".  I get limp at the thought of it. I guess the thought it that if I keep having bouts of diverticulitis it is only going to get worse each time and eventually will perferate my colon. Suxxors to be me.

 

I have either become the biggest wimp known to woman, or I have just suffered through a horrendously painful weekend. Now I like to think I am tough, I gave birth all three times naturally (though none were supposed to be they just ended up that way). I wait until an abcessed tooth has swollen my entire face into incredible hulk form. And I lived with gall stones and gall stone attacks for a year before I would have that surgery. <sigh> So I have never really thought of myself as a pain wimp, I'm a pretty tough cookie...or WAS that is.

 

This weekend in the ER they asked the usual question of "on a scale of 1 to 10 where would you rate your pain?" Now I for one think this is a stupid way to measure someone's pain but in reality what else has 'modern' medicine got really? I generally suck it up and have never given an answer more than a 6 in my life. Saturday I blurted "10" without a seconds thought. The doc looked kind of surprised, but I just didn't care. I had been so sick for the previous 12 hours that just no more was tolerable. I wanted to roll around and blubber frankly. So there, I was a "10". Probably the only time in my life I will ever be a "10" and definately not the kind of "10" I wanted to be. =/

 

I think since my surgery everything seems to hurt more, like it is magnified or something. Maybe that is lupus talking, arrrrgghhh.....I don't know and really don't even care. I just want to feel better. Ok someone call me a wha-a-a-amublance would ya?! Yeah right after you pass me the cheese....damnit nevermind they said no dairy. =P

 

Anyway, a couple of things to say before I have to call it, my innards are churning faster than I can type. 

 

Kelly, I think you will love going to the gym!! I loved it when I was going. It is very refreshing and just plain old feels good!! Glad you are losing weight too as long as that is what you want to be doing. =)

 

JP, I can never walk into a furniture store again and not try to visualize whether the employees have as much fun as you or not. ;) I suspect not.

 

Kak, just a quick note to let you know that John did get your birthday gift. Absolutely adorable!!!! I noticed he has it sitting right next to his computer. He was supposed to drop you a thank you and you may get it yet. He is gone to orchestra camp this week so I can't ask him if he got it done or not. Boys. =P  Anyway just wanted you to know he loved the gift!!

 

Neecie.....YAY!!! is there really anything else to say!

 

Loretta, Vicki I know you gals are busy with your mini-mees hehe!

 

Oh and last note, John made first chair at camp!! His little bright light can shine on the worst of days. =)

 

Hugs,

Ami

xoxox

 

 

So sorry to know you are hurting - again. I know what you mean about being able to withstand a lot of pain. I usually don't feel it as badly as most either, so I know what you mean when you say, "It's a freakin' 10!!!!" 

 

Thanks for the note about John-boy receiving his birthday package. I was wondering. I'm certain he'll send a thank you when he can fit it into his schedule. He's a great kid and being a boy, it slips to the bottom of his list of stuff he should do. LOL  Just happy to know he liked everything. And congratulations to him on first chair at camp!

 

Now I hope and pray that you feel better real soon. Take care of yourself and don't be a martyr. Have Icees in interesting flavors (since you can't have dairy) and full body massages and mani/pedi tereatments if you can get out to indulge yourself. You know what treats you deserve! Just get better!!!

 

Love ya! kak

 
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July 18, 2008, 4:33 pm PDT

About my post...

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I just now read this.....Al Gore over this woman shows what I have said for a bit now. The Nobel Peace Prize sadly has deteriorated to a pop fest contest instead of the honor it once was. I have been saying that since they awarded it to Yassir Arrafat. When they gave it to a terrorist I knew it had gone to s***.  =(

 

Ami

xoxo

 

 

This message about Irena Sendler was one I received one day from JP. She sends such interesting email attachments.

 

Thanks, JP!

 
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July 18, 2008, 4:39 pm PDT

Hey JP!

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out posting something. So. How ya doin? lol

I'm doin' fine. Not so much from the rest who are here...

 

Did you sell out the store already? LOL

 
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July 18, 2008, 4:50 pm PDT

Duh! I didn't pay attention to the date

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I'm doin' fine. Not so much from the rest who are here...

 

Did you sell out the store already? LOL

so thought we might be in "real" time and on the board together. Oh well....
 
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July 18, 2008, 8:58 pm PDT

No! The old grey mare ain't what she used to be

But my mgr (Tim) was passing me and I said "Tim!  I'm having a killer day!" And it was good, They were mostly call customers (the one's you waited on that asked for you again). Felt so good that I was maybe kinda sorta your old you. I completely hate not being that aggresive top producer I used to be, but know I have to give me a break. I am not recovered and I am getting better. It's just gonna take time. The really fun part is when you wait on older people that totally get what healing is all about and I promise you will ask for me when they return. One old, old guy that had a heart transplant, after laughing lots said "I guess I have to get these bird legs walking again." I said "You have no idea what bird legs are sir. Take a look at these!" Hummed the music to porn as I slowly lifted the pants off my  legs and he goes "Omg! How do you stand up on those?!" We  al cracked up. I said "I know! In high school people asked me "How do you stan up on those?" He mentioned toothpicks and I said I've heard it al my life.

 

Ami I think I  have a high tollerance for pain but I always say it's a 10 so I get the meds that I need and won't take unless it's really rough and take em and function in my world. You will be fine and you have to keep us posted.

 
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July 18, 2008, 9:09 pm PDT

Ya know what you guys?

And thank you Kathy for saying that. I have no idea what ya'll think of the emails I send. I hardly ever hear from some of you and if ya'll prefer, I don't have to send em. It's alot of effort to make sure you all get them, and if you really would prefer I don't send them, it's way ok with me. Could you just say it to me so I don't have to send it out to so many of you? I do think I'm completely blessed with what I get and I think alot is top knotch and very many I just delete or send to those that do respond. It's an amazing world out there and I feel priviledged to recieve what I get.

 

When Ami said she shut it down I was thinking "But how in this world would they know these things if they didn't participate? Way more stuff we would never, ever know if it weren't for the internet. And this chat room? I'd die a thousand deaths to not hear all or your news and everyday events. And how could I survive without your input when I face a crisis? Which of course even I do as wonderful as my, not quite normal, life is. Simple yes But I still have "stuff" I have to deal with. I'm single. Many friends, but cyber friends are as important as those ones  I see every day. Never do I want to end a computer world. Ever! You guys are as real to me as those other ones, cept I truely love you.

 
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July 18, 2008, 10:26 pm PDT

Nuh-uh girlfriend it weren't me!!

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And thank you Kathy for saying that. I have no idea what ya'll think of the emails I send. I hardly ever hear from some of you and if ya'll prefer, I don't have to send em. It's alot of effort to make sure you all get them, and if you really would prefer I don't send them, it's way ok with me. Could you just say it to me so I don't have to send it out to so many of you? I do think I'm completely blessed with what I get and I think alot is top knotch and very many I just delete or send to those that do respond. It's an amazing world out there and I feel priviledged to recieve what I get.

 

When Ami said she shut it down I was thinking "But how in this world would they know these things if they didn't participate? Way more stuff we would never, ever know if it weren't for the internet. And this chat room? I'd die a thousand deaths to not hear all or your news and everyday events. And how could I survive without your input when I face a crisis? Which of course even I do as wonderful as my, not quite normal, life is. Simple yes But I still have "stuff" I have to deal with. I'm single. Many friends, but cyber friends are as important as those ones  I see every day. Never do I want to end a computer world. Ever! You guys are as real to me as those other ones, cept I truely love you.

I didn't say shut it down!!! I love my computer and the internet and I think it is great for learning! I love my internet friends and I like my kids being on the computer and learning how to function in the next dimension. Hell I'm a sci-fi geek!

 

>>>>>>>TRACE<<<<<<<<said shut it down! =P She be the guilty one!!!!!!!

 

She doesn't love us like she says she does... ;(

 

*giggle*

~Ami

 

 

 

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July 18, 2008, 10:53 pm PDT

thanks

I appreciate all your thoughts on that topic.  Ami, I completely agree with you, especially about this kid I was talking about.  Clearly, his mother and step-dad were not overseeing him as they should've.  He was an honor student, blawdy, blah, blah.  The ironic part is, his mother was a counselor... counseling kids who were victims of sexual abuse.  And even worse than that, when the kid's secrest were about to be exposed by a schoolmate, he just told his mother he was going to Mexico to find his real dad, and she... let him go.  D'oh.  And when he found his dad, Daddy Dearest helped him expand the business. OMG.  Seems like they both should have been brought up on charges.

 

Anyway, I'm sure you're right about the safety of these kid's sites.  But I also REALLY believe, like Trace, that less computer time, and more time being creative and active is the answer.  And never, never, NEVER under MY roof, will she have a computer in her room, or a webcam.  Of course, my computer is in my rrom, but I really don't have anyplace else that makes sense.  It's my home office, also, and as far as Erin is concerned, a common room in the house. :)  One of my dreams is to have a slightly larger house, so that I could have a guestroom, AND an office that Erin and I could share. 

 

Erin and I have talked about predators and what that means, and how people can pretend to be something they're not on the computer.  We probably need to refresh that conversation from time to time, but we will and I feel pretty confident that she'll always be safe.  But as this fellow, a reporter who saved the kid and exposed this underworld business, said "If you think your child could never be sucked into this, you're wrong."  Constant Vigilance!!!

 

Anyway, Erin and I are off to Californ-i-a in the mornin'.  Hoping for a pleasant and restful trip.  Sounds like the fires are a bit more under control, not so smoky, and also not so hot, at least for the next few days. 

 

Oh, and may I say, that while we still might get the occasional flamer, I never would think of our little community as anything other than healthy, positive, and very, very real.  Would that we never lose these relationships - real or cyber.

 

XOXOXO

 
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July 19, 2008, 4:16 am PDT

Sigh...

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I didn't say shut it down!!! I love my computer and the internet and I think it is great for learning! I love my internet friends and I like my kids being on the computer and learning how to function in the next dimension. Hell I'm a sci-fi geek!

 

>>>>>>>TRACE<<<<<<<<said shut it down! =P She be the guilty one!!!!!!!

 

She doesn't love us like she says she does... ;(

 

*giggle*

Ami

 

 

(I just love that word)

 

For the record, I said, "unplug the damn thing".  And it was in reference to what Neecie described in her post, about how our children can be affected.

 

You know I love you guys.  You're my family.  You have helped me through so many things and taught me even more.  If it weren't for you ...

 

And JP - I love your emails.  Especially the pics of animals.

 

Sigh, once again.  Can I go back to bed now?

 

xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo

 

 

 

 

 

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