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July 10, 2008, 10:25 pm PDT

Food for thought

This a great post in my opinion where a soldier in our military addresses a civilian (Conde62) regarding our invasion of Iraq.  The format it goofy in my doc so it may not paste well, if not I apologize in advance. Anyway just something I think says much we never realize.  

 

 

Cond62 wrote:  
IF the Al quaida masterminds behind 911 are in
Pakistan why did we invade Iraq which had nothing to do with it. Iraq didnt even have a radical fundimentalist Islamic governmnet but a secular one which included women. christians, Kurds and Shiites. Iraq had no income taxes. Free Health care and free education through college.We can only conclude that Bush is either a Moron or A Bloody thirsty War and oil Profits maggot.

 

 

 

Don't paint Iraq under Saddam as a glorious paradise, it was far from it.  I interviewed dozens upon dozens of Iraqi prisoners during Op Desert Storm and have many Iraqi friends who I have known for years. 

 

Saddam was hated by the vast majority of Iraqi's.  Only those who were part of the ruling establishment or otherwise greatly benefitted from the Baathists wanted it to continue.  I am telling you the absolute truth, that is the way it was. 

 

No people want to live under a dictatorship nor do they want to live under the terror conditions the people of Iraq contend with today.

 

The conditions of the Mid East on one hand presented the US with a great challenge and threats as well as a developing opportunity.  Nations there who have been friendly to the US have been under two pronged threats for the past twenty plus years, on one hand by the Jihadists and terrorists and threat by Iran, Syria and Iraq on the other.

 

Take just a moment and imagine Saddam's army once again on the move, this time not stopping at Kuwait but also seizing the oil fields of Saudi, Qatar and the UAE.  One would find 80% of the world's oil trade under the control of Saddam.  That was one threat.

 

The other was Jihadists taking over those same nations, the outcome would be Usamah in charge of the oil, rather than Saddam.

 

The opportunity was the possibility of bringing about peace in that region.  Israel under Sharon was ready to trade land for peace but only if its northern borders could be secure.  Jordan, Saudi and Egypt were no longer threats, it was Iraq and Syria presenting the greatest threat, through their surrogates in Lebanon.

 

The deal was cut...not hard handshakes, just a series of maybe this then maybe that, if Iraq were gone, if Syria was out of Lebanon, then maybe land for peace.  And more followed.  Saudi wanted an end to the Israel Palestine problem as well.  They simply cannot afford to let the war and unrest there simmer any longer.  It fed the JIhadists, gave them cause to continue the growth of the terrorists that threaten those nations.

 

Saddam had to go, peacefully or by force he had to go.  And he did, and Syria has withdrawn from Lebanon and Israel is withdrawing from Gaza and terror ops in Israel have essentially ended and the Saudi's are making money guarantees to the Palestinians and the other Arab nations are joining in that effort.

 

The Jihadists have had their foundations cut from beneath them.  Al Qaeda is scattered to the wind exept for Iraq where they are fighting their last ditch stand.

 

For the first time in sixty years we actually stand at a point where we may see peace in that region.  Maybe, maybe.  But if we don't try, we will never know.

 

 

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July 11, 2008, 6:53 am PDT

Well!

Now we know just how long a post this site allows!

 

Thanks Ami, I definitely appreciated all of the information -- food for thought indeed!

 
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July 11, 2008, 9:29 am PDT

LOL

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Now we know just how long a post this site allows!

 

Thanks Ami, I definitely appreciated all of the information -- food for thought indeed!

Oh you can post a post as long as you want, all you have to do is hit copy to be sure it isn't lost if DP times out. If you time out, you simply log back in paste your copy and hit post. Not a big deal.

 

Now if long posts bore you, you can just skip it, voila` !

 ~Ami ;)

 
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July 11, 2008, 9:46 am PDT

Hmmm...

I guess I should apologize for the posts being so long. But you know the interesting part, they don't begin to touch the actuality of what this war is about, the whys and wherefores, the history and science in it all. So perhaps the main point I made inadvertantly...there is nothing simple or clear cut and dry regarding this war and it is so very wrong that people think it is. jmo as always.

 

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xoxox

 

 

 

 
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July 11, 2008, 9:46 am PDT

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A note about the Colombian hostage ordeal. 

 

Marc Gonsalves, one of the Defense contractors, is originally from my area.  I don't know if this case was common knowledge throughout the rest of the country but since they were taken hostage back in 2003 my newspaper has run numerous features on his mother's efforts to find out any info on her son.  She traveled to Colombia, Washington DC several times to try and bring attention to the situation.  When a video was released last fall showing her son and the others alive our newspaper printed a story again and she spoke of how happy she was to see him.   She begged for our government, the Colombian government, and anyone else she could to try and help save her son.  She didn't give up on her son or the hope that she would see him alive again.

 

I would read these stories and I always felt such admiration for her determination to make sure that we didn't forget about her son.  I would also felt so very sorry for this woman because I just could not believe that after so many years she would ever see her son again.

 

I must say that I am truly so very pleased to have been so very wrong.

 
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July 11, 2008, 9:54 am PDT

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I guess I should apologize for the posts being so long. But you know the interesting part, they don't begin to touch the actuality of what this war is about, the whys and wherefores, the history and science in it all. So perhaps the main point I made inadvertantly...there is nothing simple or clear cut and dry regarding this war and it is so very wrong that people think it is. jmo as always.

 

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Ami

xoxox

 

 

 

You know Ami, that is so true, there is nothing simple or clear cut about any war really.  I know that I do not know all there is to know and I don't think any of us will ever but I am always interested in learning more.  And usually I end up learning the most from a view point that opposes mine.

 

Oh and regards to the media and secrecy, sometimes I just wonder if they could really be so flipping stupid.  The whole Prince Harry thing so pissed me off.  Here is a guy trying to do his damn job and the media just blows it and puts a whole bunch of lives at risk.  Everything needs to have a tabloid flavor to it these days and it just drives me nuts.  It wasn't always like this, there was a time when journalists had integrity.  Now they are the exception.  What fools.

 

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July 11, 2008, 9:56 am PDT

Loretta

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A note about the Colombian hostage ordeal. 

 

Marc Gonsalves, one of the Defense contractors, is originally from my area.  I don't know if this case was common knowledge throughout the rest of the country but since they were taken hostage back in 2003 my newspaper has run numerous features on his mother's efforts to find out any info on her son.  She traveled to Colombia, Washington DC several times to try and bring attention to the situation.  When a video was released last fall showing her son and the others alive our newspaper printed a story again and she spoke of how happy she was to see him.   She begged for our government, the Colombian government, and anyone else she could to try and help save her son.  She didn't give up on her son or the hope that she would see him alive again.

 

I would read these stories and I always felt such admiration for her determination to make sure that we didn't forget about her son.  I would also felt so very sorry for this woman because I just could not believe that after so many years she would ever see her son again.

 

I must say that I am truly so very pleased to have been so very wrong.

I will be honest, I did not even know about this story until their release. Where has it been? Raj told me he knew about it but only from several years ago. He said he had not thought of it since then.  I won't do the media rant, though you know I am itching too....lol

 

I am very glad they are home.

 

Hugs,

~Ami

 

 
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July 11, 2008, 10:07 am PDT

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I will be honest, I did not even know about this story until their release. Where has it been? Raj told me he knew about it but only from several years ago. He said he had not thought of it since then.  I won't do the media rant, though you know I am itching too....lol

 

I am very glad they are home.

 

Hugs,

Ami

 

Don't know if you saw the press briefing that the men gave after they went through reintegration but Marc Gonsalves is the one who spoke and called the rebels what they are, terrorists.  And it was really wonderful to see his mom there with him.  Oh sometimes happy endings really do happen.
 

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July 11, 2008, 4:04 pm PDT

Ami

I didn't think the posts were too long, and I definitely wasn't critizing.  I just thought it was funny!  There used to be a limit on how many characters (maybe 500?) you could put in a post, and if you went over, the system simply truncated it.  That's when I started cutting and pasting, well in those days you could go back and edit your post for about 30 minutes, can't do that now, so that I could see if something got cut off and then paste that part into a new post.  Then I thought I saw that the limit was increased to 1500.  And there are so many comments made here -- "oh, I'm probably running out of space; I'll post this and continue..."  And then to see your post which seemed to go on forever, though I really enjoyed it! 

 

I did appreciate what you said, Ami.  It mirrors my gut instinct about it all, but I find that I'm reluctant to argue the points, because I don't feel that I have the knowledge of facts to back it up, at least not ones that I can quote on the spot.  A lot of my family, living in Calif, are quite liberal, and whether because I'm a conflict avoider at heart, or because it feels to me that family is too important to risk causing a rift, I tend to keep my opinions to myself.  It's not as though I'll quote YOU as a source, but now I feel that I can be a bit stronger in my arguments, knowing I'm not the only one who feels that way.

 

As to the Columbia kidnappings.  I'm not sure I was aware of it until the videos were released last fall.  The truth is, the media picks and chooses which stories it will focus on.  With the right elements a domestic murder can take on movie of the week qualities, but if the victim was black or otherwise "unsympathetic" it gets no play at all.  How come the Scott Peterson case became so big?  We know that, tragically, women are murdered by their husbands or boyfriends frequently, but they rarely make the national news.  Just recently I saw of a man who, after proclaiming his innocence and being convicted, led the police to his wife's body, in hopes of getting a more lenient sentence.  Why had we never heard of THIS woman who was missing until now??  It's all on the media and their choices.

 

Ok, enough for me!  I had my last Taxol treatment today so we celebrated by going to Cold Stone for ice cream.  Now I'm super tired and need a nap. 

 

Cya!

 
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July 11, 2008, 9:32 pm PDT

Shooo neelie!

Trying to recover is a trip!!!!! I can't believe that I haven't told ya'll all my stuff with trying to recover from this stupid surgery stuff and in case I haven't told ya'll I am in physical theraphy now. Well! I went to a kareoke bar tonite (can't do the dances cos I can't listen to that music and not dance) and this nite! This nite! I ALMOST finished a line dance! You see they only sing, but when the person that does the kareoke takes a break she puts on line dances. I'm so sure to get the blood flowing. Well two wks ago I started two and only got 1/2 way through. Well this nite I almost, almost!!!!! got through the whole thing. So I'm thinking in a few wks I'll be "me" again! I had this surgery on the 7th of April!

 

I told my mgr today that I haven't used the scooter for two shifts and if I didn't need it this wkend I'd take it home on Monday. He asked if I was working this wkend and I told him yes. He was pleased and I think more so that I'm getting that much better that quick. Did I tell ya'll he cares about me? lol

 

He also asked if I was gonna be able to send it back and I told him no. But! And this is really a cool but that I can't believe I haven't shared with you guys. I have a friend that fell off a balcony 30 yrs ago and she and one other person are the only two people in the world that got a new plastic heel. You can't even tell she has one from looking at it but she walks with a major limp. Great girl and friend btw. Well she wasn't suppose to weigh more than 135 and she's less than 200 so it's alot for her. She now has a cadaver hip in place of it! She's the very first one to ever have this surgery. So. Moral of the story is I have a scooter she can use during her recovery, and that's 3 mos of no load bearing.  I was tellling Tim about it and said "So now, she can use it for when we go to festivals and stuff we always do together. Isn't that great?!" 

 

Life is good people. Life is good. I had no idea when I bought this thing that she'd ever have this thing surgery. She had no idea she'd have this surgery . So inadvertantly I can help someone I love dearly. Ain't no way I'd have said "Sherry, let me buy you a scooter." The Lord works in mysterious ways I swear.

 

I almost danced an entire dance!

 

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