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July 23, 2008, 10:31 pm PDT

Ami

Sigh...

 

I feel for you.  And while I don't want to talk about me... oh what the hell.  I've had years of experience taking in "strays"  because I thought no one else could help.  When I was younger and healthier and working full-time, alot of the neighbourhood kids would stay in our house because their mothers couldn't deal with them.  One woman actually sent over her ten-year-old with a cheque for fifty bucks and a note that said, "I can't handle him and will be going away for awhile.  I know he'll be okay with you."

 

My husband at the time and I went to court to get temporary custody of a thirteen-year-old who was sleeping on the streets because her mother was on drugs and had too many boyfriends and didn't want her around.  There are many, many other stories. Years later I know that some of those kids didn't turn out too well despite my half-assed efforts.  And others - well I get Mother's Day cards from them every year.  They have their own kids now.

 

You would not believe what my house was like then.  Kids everywhere.  We'd hold "kitchen talks" at night.  Sit on the floor and just be goofy.  One of them taught me how to stand on my head and drink water upside down because I got the hiccups from laughing.  My husband and I put up a tent in the backyard so they could feel like they were camping out.

 

And all this, while I also had thirteen cats (all strays - who just happened to show up at our doorstep one at a time)  One little guy limped up with a broken hip.  We called him Wonky.  Our food and vet bills were horrendous!  But it was okay because not only was I making good money then, but in some way we were helping and it was fun.

 

Now, years later I'm not physically well, alone and can't work so my brother buys me a home so I don't have to worry and can have some peace.  And what happens?  My daughter goes through hell and she and my grandaughter have been living with me for a year and a half.  They are not strays and I love them more than you can imagine.  But it's stressful and takes a toll on my health.  There are days when I think I'm going to break.

 

My brother, who is a very wise man tells me that he never doubted my ability to bounce back mentally, but he's afraid for what the stress is doing to me physically.  If I "pop off" ... I'll be of no use to anyone.  And that would be a damned shame.

 

So my friend - I take care of me and my daughter and MJ.  That's important.  What I have also learned is that if you ever have second thoughts about what you should do - then you probably shouldn't do it.

 

Be good and kind to yourself.

 

Love ya.

 

Trace. 

 

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July 23, 2008, 11:23 pm PDT

Ms. Mod

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I think I may have it all back now! Yippee! Thanks Ms Moderator Person  Or Mr for that matter since Istill have no idea who you are. I  think I love you! lol

To all: I think our moderator may be our old friend Donna.  I'm not sure, but if I'm wrong, I'm also pretty sure they won't mind if we play like it's Donna.  ;-)  Just keep in mind that IF IT IS Donna, she is not allowed to respond to personal messages.

 

I choose to believe that Donna is back with us - so thank you Donna for bringing our bluebird back to us!!

 

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July 23, 2008, 11:55 pm PDT

epiphany?

Could be.  Ami, it took a while for what you said to sink in -- I'm "giving Erin a voice."  but today, which was a much better day by the way) I realized that Mom never gave me a voice.  Maybe it was because I was an only child, or maybe it was a generational thing, as you say.  But I believe I've spent most of my life learning to anticipate what I need to say and do, in order to keep her happy.  And I've gotten pretty good at it, which is kinda sad, isn't it?  I know that I moved to Colorado, and stayed there, in order to put some distance between us, and in that time I believe I've found my voice.  But not with her.  And Erin hasn't had much of that learning at all.  I DO give her a voice, I let her make some decisions, I value her opinion and her emotions.  And when we visit with Mom, I lose my voice and Erin speaks hers and often gets criticized for it.  Last year, my cousin advised me - "don't tell Erin how to stay on Nana's good side. Let her speak her mind.  She's going to have to figure it out for herself."

 

I can understand all that, but I don't know quite what to do about it.  As I said last night, I plan to continue raising Erin in the way that feels best to me.  As for the conflict between them?  There's no doubt that I am just plain in the middle, and somehow the best thing will be to remove myself from that position.  I know that I should probably make a belated stab at finding MY voice with my Mom, but honestly, I don't know how to do that.  I really am not sure that it's possible for me to unlearn something that's taken me 47 years to figure out.  But, if I find that's what I have to do to protect Erin and be a good example for her, I will find a way to do it.  Might take some counseling down the road...

 

Loretta, thanks for your Mom story.  I know that lots of people have relationship problems with family members, and it causes a lot of pain.  To be honest, sometimes I wish that Mom were out of my life, too and I could concentrate my love and attention on my Dad and Stepmom.  Terrible thing to say, I know, but I'm being honest here.

 

Ami, I agree with the others.  One way or another, you have to look out for yourself and your family.  A friend I had lunch with yesterday, her mom is going through a second round of chemo for a recurrance.  Susanne apologized for not getting in touch with me sooner, but said that she has found that with her Mom going through it, she actually has less motivation to throw her support to others going through the same thing.  A neighbor recently asked her for a very inconvenient favor late one night and Susanne said no, she couldn't do it.  She felt awful, but I told her, when a person is sick, everyone steps in at exactly the right moment to help.  And it probably wasn't the right thing, or Susanne wasn't the right person, to help in that instance.  It feels awful to turn down someone's request for help, but there are no accidents and everything always does work out as it's supposed to.  I feel very strongly about that.

 

Ok, I gotta quit.  I need to write an e-mail to my newly diagnosed friend, and this keyboard is driving me nuts.  We really did have a much better day today, and we're glad to have 99% of the shopping done.  Tomorrow we start the food prep as well as getting the house ready.  Mom says I must take a nap tomorrow and I'm good with that!  :D  The party will be fun, but I'll be glad when it's over.

 
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July 24, 2008, 6:28 am PDT

Well finally the posse is stepping up

Not that that's a bad thing guys. Ami needs us to be her rock right now cos she's so darn nice! Ami do you see how hard just saying no to this is on you? Fathom him living there and magnify it ten fold. You're doing the right thing and you need to let your conscious know it's what you need to do and stop the chatter in that head of yours. Take a deep breath and let it go sweetie.

 

I sure hope he's not the type of guy that says ok to overnite stays and drags it out. He seems like that kind of guy. He's married and brings all these women to your house and then brings his wife like it's no big deal? Dragging it out could be no big deal too. So keep an eye on it. I've had family members live with me numerous times and they wouldn't flippin leave when it was time. Ever!  Why the hell should they when it was so cheap and they had no responsiblities? And I have a sister that has the same thing and it drives a healthy person crazy. Imagine what it will do to you. Just watch for it.

 

Trace another wonderful story about your life. You are such an incredible person and one more time I am in awe of you!

 
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July 25, 2008, 12:06 am PDT

Yippee!!! Bluebird is back!!!

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I think I may have it all back now! Yippee! Thanks Ms Moderator Person  Or Mr for that matter since Istill have no idea who you are. I  think I love you! lol

Yippee!!!

Bluebird is back!!!

 

 
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July 25, 2008, 12:24 am PDT

Sorry JP...

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I'm thinking "What da heck is she talking about?" And I realized you arent' on my list. I think I get the best ones and alot of people tell me that too. Of course I"ll add you. Omg!  Another one! BUT for you yes, yes, yes! It's alot of people, and most don't ever, ever email me and it really is alot of effort so I was trying to limit it. Usually if I don't laugh out loud I delete them. But there's alot of political things we'd all never know about and Kathy for SOME reason loves to correct my butt. (playing Kathy. I like that you do it) So I think you have my addy. Just send me something and I'll add it. You won't be sorry I promise. And I'm sorry. You are invited to my house for Derby ya know, so you can't think I don't love you too!

 

You haven't heard any Trace trip stories have you? ahem! I am so bad....

It's a bad habit, and I apologize if I do it and it annoys you. Believe me, you are not the only one! LOL

 

I usually try not to edit spelling, etc, but I cannot let emails pass through that are false -- I verify anything that sounds "funky" through snopes.com and I am very sorry, but I INSIST that others do the same thing. There's enough misinformation floating around and I try to stamp it out. Can't help myself.

 

If I get too annoying - feel free to tell me so! HITYL? Love you Janetpoo!!!!

 
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July 25, 2008, 12:32 am PDT

So JP....

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You have to take care of you. I know that I know more about your situation and it screams to me NO!!!!! You can not do this. You are not physically able to handle what this will do to you. It truely is as simple as that. I know you have grounded me many times in these yrs and you absolutely have to hear me roar DON'T DO IT! Now you have "the excuse". I know you. You can not, can not, can not do this. It will kill you. Rob got himself in this situation and Rob needs to figure this out. You guys are his only hope, but when he finds out it isn't an option he has to decide what the other thing is. It's his drama, that he created for himself, and you guys don't need to go down that road with him. "you didn't cause it, you can't control it, and you can't cure it." Remember that. You more than any other person I know has to take care of Ami. Period. End of conversation. You without Raj in the picture (which of course in more than you should be handleing) can not, can not handle this. If you were healthy of course. But you aren't Ami and that's the real of this. Do not, do not, do not do this.

 

And of course I'm here for you when you do.......

Are you saying Ami should not open her home to this fellow with Hep C?

 

Just wanted to clarify...   ;-D

 

kak

 

 
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July 25, 2008, 5:25 am PDT

Now you listen here missy!

I'm about to open a can of whoopa@# on you! It's a real good thing your out there in cyber land. rofl

 

No I love that you correct me, did I not say I was playing. Ami corrects me too. See I wouldn't know the stuff I know if ya'll didn't tell me. I love that you do that.

 

And no I don't that guy to move in Ami's home. I love her and want her healthy as she can be for a long, long time. And yes I'm sitting here laughging cos yes I am well aware I made it very clear, do not, do not, do not do this.  When did I become the boss of her?!  rofl.

 
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July 25, 2008, 11:05 am PDT

Black clouds with silver linings!!! =P

Ok so I have to agree, and no he won't be staying here. Raj and I talked about it some more last night. Raj plans to go visit him and see if there is anything he can do at his house to make it easier for him. Spend some quality time with him. His type of chemo is in pill form, so hopefully it isn't something so dibilitating and he is just worrying over the unknown.

 

Anyway in reality the entire thing has been taken out of my hands. I saw the colo-rectal guy this morning. I will be having a couple of feet of my colon removed asap. So that pretty well nixes having a house guest anyway. Isn't life a very strange thing??!

 

I have to say I am kind of surprised at his recommendation, sort of, kind of. I knew it was possible, but really didn't think this quickly. I am not healing up from the antibiotics like I should, and he thinks it is possible that my body has been battling this all this time. ei-why I feel so bad all the freakin time.  He suspects I have had low grade infection and flares for all the time since the cancer. If you remember they found the cancer by accident looking at diverticulitis. Anyway cancer took precedent, and now the diver is doing it's ugly dance yet again. This is 4 times in two years. He tells me it is a matter of time before it ruptures. Surgery now means not having to have it under emergency conditions later.

 

I have a great aunt who died from this. Her colon ruptured and she died of blood poisoning. It's fairly common to die from it too. But very preventable. Biggest issue is the fact that I have only one kidney. Seems this surgery has about 3-4% rate of permanent kidney/ureter damage. In most cases they just remove the damaged kidney. In mine they can't, it would leave me with no kidney. So there is some elevated risks with me. He also told me when they get in there they may find that the ureter has attached itself to the colon wall and will have to come out anyway. So no matter which way it is there is some risk that it may get complicated. But hey, you know any surgery has risks no matter how simple.

 

If there is a remote possibility that I might feel better all over in the end, it will be so worth it! He did say there is a chance that chronic infection in my body is what is triggering all the autoimmune craziness. Only a small chance, but it is possible. Wouldn't that be something?? Whatever, if this surgery will alleviate any of the misery I go in waves of, I will be a happier camper no doubt.

 

So the issue of houseguests is really a moot point now. I just have to make my run to Ky, get John back home and settled back in for school and figure out how to do this surgery with the least amount of upset to the house. He said five days in the hospital minimum and three weeks no driving, six weeks no traveling. Surely I can manage that. =)

 

Thank you all for inputs, I had come to the conclusion that I do have to take care of me. I only came to that with all you guys help!!!! It is so wonderful to have peeps who will help me be strong, when I know I'm not.

 

Much love,

~Ami

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July 25, 2008, 11:13 am PDT

Is This Normal Social Discussion

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Are you saying Ami should not open her home to this fellow with Hep C?

 

Just wanted to clarify...   ;-D

 

kak

 

I think she was saying I'm a wimp and would end up letting him come....LOL.

 

Oh and yeah I correct the facts on some of the emails. Like the one Obama isn't a citizen cause his mama wasn't 21 when he was born. As much as I don't like Obama (just can't do the socialist agenda), he is qualified to be President. Those kinds of things give all emails bad names. =( Like I said it is nearly a full time job just weeding the facts from the fiction. =)

 

Interesting enough though, on Snopes their information on this was all speculation with no actual proof at all. Not like snopes to use speculation. They treat the mother age=naturalized citizen birth question as unresolved. 

 

Hawaii was a state at the time of his birth. That is what matters. Interesting that snopes didn't point that out. Raj and I pulled a copy of the Constitution and I checked the statehood dates. It's a non-issue. Anyway as Raj said, if there was a slight chance of that being real....Hillary would have already used it by now. ;P

 

But still I love the emails, interesting stuff and the funnys are a hoot!!

 

Hugs,

~Ami

xoxo

 

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