Topic : 11/30 Spoiled and Entitled

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It's holiday time again, and parents everywhere are figuring out how they're going to afford what's on their kids' Christmas list. Theresa is a single mother who is extremely stressed out because she says her 17-year-old daughter, Bailie, is spoiled. Bailie expects her mom to buy her new clothes, a computer, purses -- much more than Theresa can afford. Theresa says that Bailie even leaves notes around the house saying, "Clean my room!" How has Theresa, who's unemployed, been able to keep up with Bailie's demands? She reveals a dark secret that she's been keeping from everyone, including Bailie. And what does Bailie want most from her mom that she's never gotten? Then, 24-year-old Katie says that she's always been handed everything she wants, and if she doesn't get her way, she begs and whines to get her dad to foot the bill. He still pays for her gas, insurance, furniture and clothing. Now, Katie says her 4-year-old daughter is growing up to be just like her, and it's Grandpa’s fault. Plus, Dr. Phil and Robin have signed on to be the national spokespeople for Toys for Tots. To kick off this year's holiday toy drive, they head to Texas Motor Speedway to cheer on the UPS Store/Toys for Tots racing team. Talk about the show here.

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November 30, 2006, 10:28 am PST

11/30 Spoiled and Entitled

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I'm going through the same thing here.  How pathetic - it never stops.  Last year, among others (including a great week holiday in Las Vegas to see all the Christmas lights), we all got cell phones - great family tool - we love being in contact through calls and text messages, however, it costs $200 a month on top of the $80 a month land line phone.

 

Now my 14 yr old wants only "three things Mom" - an XBOX 360 - $500 , an IPOD like his sisters $180 and a paint ball gun $250.  My daughters list is kinder - there's only like 50 small things including the new IPOD (hers is 3 months old but there's a smaller one now).

 

The thing is we are all my kids have.  No other family.  We have never had help in this area - we were Santa and family all wrapped up.  Everyone else we knew had grandmas and grandpas - most with several different sets thanks to remarriages, etc.  And everybody bought a ton of stuff and my kids had to be able to have a good Christmas too.  We've had to compete with this crap of everyone going beserk at Christmas... and this will be the 16th year of it. 

 

Now the hard part is we are truly blessed to be able to actually afford it.  So therein lies the problem.  I CAN afford it.  Both my kids are great, down to earth, achievers in school (for the most part) my son is in the drama performance tonight.  My daugter just came back from a leadership conference (for handpicked teens in two provinces).  They don't appear to have bad attitudes like spoiled or anything.

 

But its been -25 this week and I saw many down-and-out people shivering under thin blankets and I could be sick.  I am really struggling here.  A big part of me wants to take the money and as a family give it someone less needy.  I mean my kids get it good every day of the year like someone else said.  What a great idea to give back on that one day.  I am sick of the commercialism and why can't I space out the things I buy, over the year.  Why should i buy in to this crap in December EVERY YEAR.  Sheesh.  I am being used by the big commercial marketing gurus. 

 

Whatever.... just had to vent I guess - and now I have to go into town to meet a girlfriend for breakfast and a day of shopping... because.... my GOODNESS tomorrow's December already and well Christmas is ALMOST HERE..........  AAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghhhhhhhhhHHHHHHH

 

 

We've shared the same one cell phone for five years--no camera, no MP3 player, no graphics, no text messaging, just a phone.  We're just now thinking of getting a second one (the most basic one we can find) for safety reasons.  My parents use one when they travel so they don't have to use their hosts' land line and I keep one with me since I drive through the city to work.  We buy the fewest minutes we can and use them evenings and weekends for the free long distance.

 

My parents got the best they could for us (to the extent that they could afford it, but there was no going into debt at Christmas) when we showed a serious interest in something.  We both have good cameras that we use a lot.  I got musical instruments.  My brother, who is in graduate school, just got a lap-top.  So, they did buy us some "extravagant" things but they saved the big purchases for things that we either really needed or that could be used productively (I took the pictures at my brother's wedding last year and they came out great!). 

 

Why not plan a family trip or activity instead?  Most people can get a little time off around the holidays and everyone seems to be lamenting these days that they spend so little time with one another, anyway. 

 
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November 30, 2006, 11:02 am PST

Not anymore!

     I use to buy my kids everything for Christmas.  I would go as far as drawing out of my retirement fund from work and spend as much as $1000 on each one.   I finally learned that I was doing this out of my own guilt rather than because I wanted to.  Now, depending on what I can afford depends on what they get but I will not spend more than $100. 00 each. 
 
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November 30, 2006, 11:08 am PST

Spoiled Rotten

My sister and I were spoiled growing up, we got all the toys in the world and candy, however, there comes a time when even spoiled children grow up.

I went on to college and graduated and learned the value of a dollar. I worked all throughout high school and college and earned my own money. Sure my parents helped me out with a place to stay and food and help with my son, but I always had a job and helped out with the groceries or chores around the house even if I couldn't afford to pay them rent. I paid my own tuition and books and school supplies with my own money or took out a student loan in my name.

My sister, on the other hand, has always let my parents pay her way. She quit high school because she has learning disabilities and couldn't cope. Guess who paid for her GED classes? My parents. She tried a couple classes at the community college, but failed because they were too hard and she has a learning disability. Guess who paid for those classes? My parents.

Now she and her lazy ass husband (who is also a spoiled child) can't find jobs because the job market is bad in that area and they have to take care of their little girl, are living with my mother. Gues who pays the rent and groceries and their cigarettes? My mother of course!

Now I am hopping mad about this because my sister and her husband had stolen a few thousand dollars from my parents in the form of forging checks, fradulant use of credit cards and pawning jewelry to support their drug habit. My mother has kicked them out, taken them back in and kicked them out and now they are living with her again! She refused to press charges against them, even though they admitted that they stole money and jewelry, because "K" can't cope with a criminal record and they have the little girl to think of.

I am so glad that I live over 1,000 miles from my family, because if I get my hands on my sister......

I am raising my son to be like myself - independant. I want him to be able to get a job and support his family when he has one. I want him to be successful and happy and fulfilled in life. He's seen too much of the drama in my own family; that I hope that it's a good teaching lesson and that he wont follow in their footsteps.

I do have to draw the line with my son. At 14 he wants certain style of clothes and ipod and a cell phone, and I have to tell him "no".  And just because I have the money does not mean I will buy it for him either.
 

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November 30, 2006, 11:16 am PST

And Patience.

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We as parents and grandparents have to be strong and teach our children at an early age when to say "no."  I'm raising my 2 granddaughters 7 yrs and 5 yrs old.  Believe me I know how to say "no" to them.  They're not going to get everything and do what they want.  I do spend quality time, show them a lot of love, etc. I'm teaching them there is certain boundaries, to follow rules, pick up after themselves, using manners, etc.  There's at times they can act up, but I do put them in a time out to get themselves together and we talk about it afterward.  I mean what I say, and say what I mean.  Children do need discipline, boundaries, responsibility, love, nurturing, safe place to be, etc.  When they're older they will thank you for being their for them and teaching them to be responsible grown adults .      
I also want to add, AND most importance is P - A - T - I - E - N - C - E!!!!!!
 
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November 30, 2006, 12:05 pm PST

Not only that...

Not only that, but Christmas is not all just about gifts & presents. It's all about having the good spirit, & giving others what they really need (love & affection), & to help them out in their troubles. It's supposed to be the time of giving & sharing, having really good Christmas spirits within themselves, within their hearts, not by gifts. Christmas is also Jesus birthday, & we should all honor that as well. Gifts can't replace people of who you love, whatever it's your family member, your close/best friends, your boyfriends/girlfriends, husbands/wives, etc.! You get what I mean.
 
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November 30, 2006, 12:11 pm PST

11/30 Spoiled and Entitled

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Do you know that the Wii system is really $250 (unless you're talking with games, that comes to around $400 on what you just said)? And that the DS lite is $130? Playstation 3, however, stands at $500 for the core, & $600 for the premium. If you would've gotten a Premium PS3, plus a DS lite, & a Wii, it would all come up to $980. With tax, you would be paying a little over $1,000. And that's without games, & such, just for those two home console systems, & a handheld alone. Now, that's kind of ridiculous! People are going to just have to put your foot down like you just did, & tell them, "NO!". How are kids going to function out in the real world if they don't learn how to do things for themselves, & pay everything for themselves? If they don't like what you hear, tough. They just have to get used to it. I'm very ashamed at parents who spoil their children. As long as the spoiling continues, these children will never learn anything in life.

Yes, I do know that.  But  the system isnt very good without games.  Also the extra controller (I think it was?) and God knows what else.  They had the DSlites on special during after Thansgiving sales for the $130 but  they are back at $180 (least in my area) now.  Course, im sure there will be another sale!  LOL

 

It is kinda ridiculous.  More then kinda!  So here is MY question... Why is there STILL a part of me that feels guilty about not giving them what they want?  Is this simply mom guilt?  Do dads feel this way too?  I have never noticed my husband troubled over things like this. 

 

I have a hard time believing im the only one who KNOWS what they are doing is right, but still feels frickin guilty about it. 

 

Show of hands, anyone? 

C'mon!  Fess up!  LOL

 
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November 30, 2006, 12:26 pm PST

I can not believe this

My daddy spoiled me when growing up and he still spoils me today and I am 26 with a husband. The way he spoiled me was by playing outside with me, buying me ice cream once a week, parading my accomplishments, always hugging me when I needed a hug. It was the little things that made me a daddy's girl. Actually he spoiled my sister as well. He use to sneak us moon pies as a treat if we did something good. Buying the moon for your kids while putting yourself in debts is not a good way of instilling values. It's not loving your kids. Kids need to be told no.

 

Bailie acted like her care was an embarassment. I wish my first car was like that. My first car was a 1991 red ford tempo that had a white bumper. Her mother needs to grow a back bone and put her foot down. Bailiee will get over herself. She is not entilted to nothing but a swift kick in the rear end. She may good grades, but good grades can not be rewarded with Roxy, Anne Klien, Prada and any other name brand items. A $900 dog is crazy, especially if you have no plans to breed it out.

 

 

 
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November 30, 2006, 12:35 pm PST

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My daddy spoiled me when growing up and he still spoils me today and I am 26 with a husband. The way he spoiled me was by playing outside with me, buying me ice cream once a week, parading my accomplishments, always hugging me when I needed a hug. It was the little things that made me a daddy's girl. Actually he spoiled my sister as well. He use to sneak us moon pies as a treat if we did something good. Buying the moon for your kids while putting yourself in debts is not a good way of instilling values. It's not loving your kids. Kids need to be told no.

 

Bailie acted like her care was an embarassment. I wish my first car was like that. My first car was a 1991 red ford tempo that had a white bumper. Her mother needs to grow a back bone and put her foot down. Bailiee will get over herself. She is not entilted to nothing but a swift kick in the rear end. She may good grades, but good grades can not be rewarded with Roxy, Anne Klien, Prada and any other name brand items. A $900 dog is crazy, especially if you have no plans to breed it out.

 

Theresa stand up, tell your daughter HELL NO and move on

 

Aww it sounds like you have a GREAT dad.

But he didn't spoil you! You are not a "spoiled" or ruined human being, you are now kinder and confident because he helped you become that way!

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November 30, 2006, 12:38 pm PST

11/30 Spoiled and Entitled

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Yes, I do know that.  But  the system isnt very good without games.  Also the extra controller (I think it was?) and God knows what else.  They had the DSlites on special during after Thansgiving sales for the $130 but  they are back at $180 (least in my area) now.  Course, im sure there will be another sale!  LOL

 

It is kinda ridiculous.  More then kinda!  So here is MY question... Why is there STILL a part of me that feels guilty about not giving them what they want?  Is this simply mom guilt?  Do dads feel this way too?  I have never noticed my husband troubled over things like this. 

 

I have a hard time believing im the only one who KNOWS what they are doing is right, but still feels frickin guilty about it. 

 

Show of hands, anyone? 

C'mon!  Fess up!  LOL

It's hard to say no when your children are making a fuss over something they feel they just have to have. Christmas has become to commercial. People forgot what the true meaning is. Children don't understand that meaning because parents don't teach them. CHildren feel that whatever they see on t.v or whatever their friedns have they have to have it. I honestly think that some men don't allow their children excessive demands get to them. They try to get them what they can. I think you feel guilty because most of the time we try to please our children and keep them happy by giving them whatever they want.

 

One year my daughter wanted alot of different things. When we opened presents and here turn was done she had the nerve to ask was that it. She was mad that she didn't get more gifts. So the next year I gave her one gift. Not to be mean, but I needed to show her how blessed she was and how so many kids in this world don't have half as much as she does. Now she only ask for simple things like cds and dvds. She doesn't expect much at christmas.

 
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November 30, 2006, 12:45 pm PST

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Ok, I have read all your messages and would just like to say that you are welcome to your opinions.  This is the Katie that was on the show and I just wanted to say some things.  First of all, I am not the brat that you guys are making me out to be.   I am a kind and loving person that does care about others.  Just because I'm spoiled, doesn't make me an awful person.  I have goals and dreams and achieve things just like everyone else.  I think you guys are being to judgemental on us.  Yes, I agree that we need to learn how to live on our own and I am working on that but it took a long time to make me a spoiled brat, it's going to take a while for me to learn how to change.  It doesn't just happen over night!  I am working on changing and I am proud of who I am and who my daughter is....so continue with your comments but just know that we are good people and don't deserve to be talked badly about. 
 

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