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Your partner asked you to do WHAT? Some things are taboo. Some things are common but just not discussed. Where does your sex life fit in?

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June 25, 2008, 12:52 pm PDT

Is This Normal?

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I need some advice, i'm in quite the situation and not sure what to do.

My partner and I  split 6 months ago and are still in a sexual relationship, better than ever I might add, anyhow, we've been talking about getting back together and it hinges on one thing.  I must have sex with multiple strange partners while he watches, and I MUST enjoy myself to prove to him how much i still care for him.  He says he wants me to enjoy myself even though he knows I was against this sexaul act when he first mentioned it years ago.  He says he is not willing to compromise or he will not come home. 

I've always believed that sex is something special that couples share in a relationship, this act that he wants me to do will feel like cheating even though he will be watching.  It goes against my beliefs and i want him and him only, not some stranger in my bed

We have had the stormiest and sometimes violent relationship and I do still care but i question if he wants me to do this.. Can he really care about me?  Will he even come home?  Can I live with myself after?  I don't know anymore.

I wish I had great advice, unfortunately I'm in a similar situation - not to that extreme though.  This is my first post.  I signed up to respond to your post.  All I can say is WATCH OUT!  There's so many problems I see here and things that could backfire.  It's a can of worms that can get out of hand in a hurry.  The biggest issue I see if that this is a must and it's an extreme must that suggests other issues your partner has.  If he loves you than he loves YOU and needs to keep his fantasies in check.  Has he said why this is such a big deal?  Is he prepared for the aftermath - what if you find someone else in the process, what if it's not as great to watch you do this as he thinks it is, etc... 

 

My DH had been strongly suggesting for me to sleep with other men for a couple of years.  I was like you and found it wrong on multiple levels.  He didn't say he wanted to watch, he didn't have any 'rules' for it other than I couldn't love that person.  He swore that he didn't want to sleep with other women.  He thought it was rev up my libido.

 

I shrugged it off for a long time.  And even felt a little put off that he would be okay with sahring me that way. Then last fall I finally thought I'd keep an open mind.  We'd been having some issues and were getting better so I thought maybe it would be okay - even though I still really struggled with it.  To buy some time and make sure that I would stay in control of the situation I said that I wasn't ok w/him sleeping around, I would have to know and feel comfortable with this person & they'd have to be safe (meaning clean, nice, and w/little risk of the word getting out).

 

Several weeks later I mentioned one of my male friends as a 'possiblity', but I was still very iffy about it for a number of reasons.  DH kept pushing for me to tell this friend how he felt and see if there was an option for that.  I did, but was clear with my friend that I wasn't sure that I was okay even though DH was.  As we started talking about the possibilty and getting to know each other better we realized that we had feelings & that this wouldn't just be sex.  We decided to stop going down that slippery slope.  I didn't tell DH, b/c i didn't want to hurt him and I wanted to keep my marriage and not persue other routes.  DH confronted me and I admitted to having a crush.  All hell broke loose.  He threatened to leave.  I broke the only rule - even though it wasn't on purpose and I was against the idea to begin with.  Even though I didn't act on those feelings I broke his heart.  On top of other issues we were already dealing with this has been horrendous. 

 

Now on top of having a crumbling marriage I have to distance myself from a friend who didn't choose this.   DH and I put him in an akward position.

 

After the blow-up I found that DH had signed up for a swinger/hook-up sex site.  He had e-mail accounts that I didn't know about.  He was taking MBA classes and going to the same bar to have a beer to 'unwind' after every class.  He still wanted to go 'check out' a night club that catered to swingers.  He even suggested that we have a shell marriage and date/have sex with other people.  He went nuts secretly spying on me - searching through my stuff, SIM card Reader, Keylogger, trying to hack into my acounts trying to find out 'how I really felt about him'.  Meanwhile I keep thinking what is he hiding?

 

My life is pitiful and I wouldn't be in this place if I had stuck to my guns.  Even if it doesn't go this bad for you is this how you want to start over in your relationship - him forcing you to do something you don't want to?  What will it lead to down the line sexually or in everyday events?

 
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June 25, 2008, 1:12 pm PDT

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My husband and I knew each other for about 5 months before we were married and have been married for 6 yrs now.  My husband and I haven't had sex in about a year and a half and prior to that I was lucky if it was once in a 6 month period. I would try to initiate it but there was always a reason for not being intimate (he was tired, had to be up early etc...) I gave up finally thinking it was all my fault. I have been sleeping on the couch for about a year. Within that year I have told him how I felt on several occasions only for it to end up the same again. I have a medical condition that for the first couple of years was very trying on my body (I was always ready and willing to be intimate however) and I gained weight. I was also in a very stressful job for about 5 yrs and gained additional weight. I am not happy with that fact but I have tried more than once to lose weight and did only to gain it back. During this time my husband also gained a lot of weight. However I have never with held sex from him for it. We recently had a huge fight about something and he ended up telling me that he hates me with a few other choice words. This hurt really, really bad. So bad I didn't talk to him for a week except quick yes and no answers. He apologized but it doesn't feel the same anymore. He had even said he forgot how to ask for sex. I wanted to laugh cus you don't ask your spouse for sex. It is something that should just happen naturally. His neglect of being an appreciative husband in other areas (cooking, cleaning etc.) has left me very bitter as well.  We do struggle financially as well because of unnecessary expenses (his boy toys). Now after this blow up when he tries to make a flirtatious pass at me it feels awkward and not natural.  Over the last several months I have discussed this with a friend via the internet. That friend has been more encouraging to me than my own husband. He tells me I am beautiful and is excited when I lose weight (a total of 16lbs now).  This friend is also not happy that my own husband would treat his wife in such a manner. I have needed so badly to hear loving words from my own husband and have told him this several times. I now am torn as to what to do. I am drowning in sorrow over this and its keeps me depressed. The only time I am not depressed is when I talk to my friend.  I would never think of an affair before but lately that has crossed my mind and now my heart is torn between my love of another man and my commitment for religious reasons to my husband because the love just isnt there anymore and I think he knows that. He said to me the other day you dont love me anymore do you? I said yes I do for sake of argument and so I didnt have rehash out everything once again only for the result to be the same. That would be insanity.  I just dont know what to do because nothing feels right anymore. I mean he has left me to wander with my eyes and now my heart.  I dont want to betray him or God or my religion but the pain has been so unbearable.  I just long to be loved the way a wife should be. I have been so depressed over this at times that suicidal thoughts have entered my mind so I dont have to face the problem but I know I cant do that to all my family.  I used to right poetry and my friend and his encouragement I started to do so again. Here is a sample and any help with my situation is appreciated. PLEASE HELP ME!!!!

 

What To Do?

 

My existence is living for everyone else.

My needs are shoved onto a dusty shelf.

Oh the pain I have in my heart.

from this world how I long to depart.

Why cant I let go of the hurt?

And fight to not be treated like dirt.

It seems as though solitude is to be my fate.

Inside I have become bitterness and hate.

Longing for the day to break loose.

Oh, what is the decision I will choose.

To continue to be trampled upon,

Or leave and forever be gone.

But wait a light at the end of the tunnel.

Calling me, sucking me in like a funnel.

To stand, be strong, and fight.

Take back myself that is my right.

Not giving in to those around me.

Standing tall and firm as a tree.

Learning to live and love again.

That it seems is where I shall begin.

Then my soul will be happy and joyous

Swaying in the breeze, fluttering and boisterous.

And the memories of distress will fade into the dark

And I can go on living and loving with all of my heart.

 

 

I am interested to see what happens as time passes.  I agree with the other responder that you should seek couseling and work on YOU.  Need learn to be happy with yourself no matter what youd DH says/thinks.  In fact he may just change gears as the positive changes take over in you from you learning that you are worthly just for being you.  Your poetry is great for therapy - you should make the line "Take back myself that is my right." for your motto!  In any decision you make you have to find YOU.  The man doesn't the woman make.

 

That being said I completely understand staying b/c of your faith.  The biggest reason I am with my husband right now is becasue of my faith based viewpoint.  I'm not in an abusive sitaution and my child is happy and safe therefore I can't bring myself to divorce - even when my DH brought it up.  We are in a very bad place right now and a big part of that was that I found myself in a similar situation as you with a 'friend' I never acted nor did I want to act on those feelings, but DH found out and it was horrible.

 

Another huge reason for me to stay it that I realize that I need to fix what I am doing wrong.  Even if our relationship fails if I don't learn the lessons of what I am doing to contribute to it then I will just carry that into another relationship.  The divorce rate for second marriages is bleak.

 

It's hard and I just keep praying for strength.   There of course is more to the story that would take too long in a post, but I'd be happy to keep in touch with you through posting or e-mailing.

 
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June 25, 2008, 1:40 pm PDT

Is This Normal?

Quote From: kcisneros

 I've been married for many years and my husband wanted to try swinging. I didnt want to but went along with it   for years  so he wouldnt get mad i was afraid of loosing him. i didnt like the way it made me feel about my self .Recently i told him i didnt want to any more he thinks im being selfish and its not abnormal for him to want this. i really hate being in those situations.I Our marriage is great other wise I dont think it will last if i dont go along with this i feel so much better about myself as a person once i put a stop to this I dont think im abnormal. help

You are NOT abnormal.  Though the swinger life is defintely out there I don't think it's more popular than keeping sex between two people in a committed relationship.  He should respect & love you enough to respect your feelings about this.  Out of curiousity would you be okay with him continuing and you not?  I'm just thinking that might be a compromise.

 

Why is it so important to him?  You say that you never wanted to - what was it that made you say ok?  I ask b/c for 2 yrs my DH wanted me to sleep with other people and I brushed it off.  I couldn't understand why he'd be okay with that.  He said that he didn't want to sleep w/other gals, but he did want to visit a swingers club "just to see".  I thought strongly about doing what he asked, but in teh meantime developed feelings for the person that was a possibility and decided to not do anything.  DH found out about the feelings and was devestated.  He was willing to share my body but not my heart. 

 

After the fallout I discovered that he had a profile on a swinger/hook-up site.  We are now in this horrible cycle of mis-trust and hurt.  We'd had issues for several years, but were getting a little better before this.

 
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June 25, 2008, 2:04 pm PDT

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My wife and I are active swingers for the past couple years and have been to a number of swinger clubs so I do have some experience in this area.  For starters tread very carefully in this matter and keep your eyes wide open and keep the channels of communication open at all times.   All men are titilated with the idea of swinging and  for the right couples doing it for the right reasons and in the right manner it can really enhance the level of trust, intimacy and communication between a couple.  HOWEVER it is not for most couples.  there is a good reason that the vast majority of the earth's population practices monogamy as it's official form of sexual expression.

 

Swinging may enhance a satisfying, stable and healthy relationship that already has a satisfying romantic and sexual relationship but it will quickly DESTROY a relationship that has any cracks in it at all.  My advice at this point is to think of it as a sexy fantasy and discuss it more and open up your communication with a lot of "what if?" questions.   Find some swinger message boards and read as much information there as you can from current active swingers.  I would also suggest looking into some actual homemade swinger videos and watching those together and discussing them.  Do NOT get commercial porn videos from Hollywood porn studios.  Real swingers are not young hardbodied porn models.  Real swingers are your middle aged next door neighbors with familys and strethmarks and receding hairlines and potbellys.

 

Don't jump into anything and don't let your SO talk you into anything just because he has a fantasy.  In order for your relationship to survive this has to be something  that you two do together as full equals and it has to be for both of your benifits.  Do lots of talking and research and make sure it is really something that both of you want to explore.

Since you are an active swinger I'd like to ask you your opinion on something.  First what made you and your wife decide to head down that path?  Do you ever get mixed up emotionally with partners?  Does it help or hender your physical relationship between the two of you?

 

My DH had been strongly suggesting that I sleep with other men for over 2 yrs.  I was not interested and was concerned that he wanted to sleep with other women.  He said no, he just thought it would rev up my libido.  I started to be cautiously open to the idea, though still not comfortable.  He wanted to go check out a swingers club in town - not to participate, but just to see what it was like (or so he said).

 

I started having feelings for a prospective partner and that broke Dh's heart.  Even though I stopped everything before we got pysical and said I wanted Dh not this other man. It wasn't good enough b/c he says he would never develop a crush on anyone else and that he's felt that he loved me more than I loved him for years. He was fine with sharing my body, but not my heart. 

 

After the blow-up I found that he had a profile on a swinger/hook-up site.  He'd been going out for a beer at one particular bar everytime he had a MBA class.  He withdrew significantly and for awhile even wanted us to have a shell marriage where we dated other people.  The whole thing has left me confused, hurt, feeling guilty, and untrusting.

 

I suppose what I'd like to know from you is what you think his plan really was when he started bring this up yrs ago?  Was it really just for me?  Was it for him?  Was he trying to ease me into the swinger life?  Did he just underestimate the consequences of opening that door?  Am I crazy to believe/feel that I am being punished for something I didn't mean to do (feelings) and that wouldn't have happened if he hadn't have pushed me that direction?  Don't get me wrong I am very willing to take my share of the blame - I am carrying significant guilt over this. 

 
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June 25, 2008, 2:27 pm PDT

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Quote From: aprilssmiling

i have put posts up needing advice for months........
NO One has replied..........

my family wants me to give him up.  do an annulment. 
I want to give him a chance, but I have no idea how to do this.
Please help

It's killing me to live with a man that doesn't want to be with me.  WHAT THE HELL am i supposed to do to keep this marriage together.
Why do you want to be with a man who doesn't want to be with you?
 
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June 25, 2008, 4:23 pm PDT

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Quote From: chiefgirl

I need some advice, i'm in quite the situation and not sure what to do.

My partner and I  split 6 months ago and are still in a sexual relationship, better than ever I might add, anyhow, we've been talking about getting back together and it hinges on one thing.  I must have sex with multiple strange partners while he watches, and I MUST enjoy myself to prove to him how much i still care for him.  He says he wants me to enjoy myself even though he knows I was against this sexaul act when he first mentioned it years ago.  He says he is not willing to compromise or he will not come home. 

I've always believed that sex is something special that couples share in a relationship, this act that he wants me to do will feel like cheating even though he will be watching.  It goes against my beliefs and i want him and him only, not some stranger in my bed

We have had the stormiest and sometimes violent relationship and I do still care but i question if he wants me to do this.. Can he really care about me?  Will he even come home?  Can I live with myself after?  I don't know anymore.

What about what you want? To prove his love to you, he should be willing to NOT demand that you have sex with other people while he watches. You ask, “can he really care about me?” In my opinion, I don’t think so. It sounds like he is very selfish; he cares very much about himself and having his needs met. When/if you do go through with this for him, he is going to use it against you for the rest of your life. Don’t do it; do not go against your own personal morals to please someone else. You won’t be able to forgive yourself.
He isn’t willing to compromise. All of your wishing, hoping and praying is a waste of time and energy. Instead, take that time and energy and focus on YOU. You deserve to live a happy, healthy and fulfilling life; don’t settle for anything less. It won’t always be easy, but be true to yourself!
 
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June 26, 2008, 10:04 pm PDT

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I wish I had great advice, unfortunately I'm in a similar situation - not to that extreme though.  This is my first post.  I signed up to respond to your post.  All I can say is WATCH OUT!  There's so many problems I see here and things that could backfire.  It's a can of worms that can get out of hand in a hurry.  The biggest issue I see if that this is a must and it's an extreme must that suggests other issues your partner has.  If he loves you than he loves YOU and needs to keep his fantasies in check.  Has he said why this is such a big deal?  Is he prepared for the aftermath - what if you find someone else in the process, what if it's not as great to watch you do this as he thinks it is, etc... 

 

My DH had been strongly suggesting for me to sleep with other men for a couple of years.  I was like you and found it wrong on multiple levels.  He didn't say he wanted to watch, he didn't have any 'rules' for it other than I couldn't love that person.  He swore that he didn't want to sleep with other women.  He thought it was rev up my libido.

 

I shrugged it off for a long time.  And even felt a little put off that he would be okay with sahring me that way. Then last fall I finally thought I'd keep an open mind.  We'd been having some issues and were getting better so I thought maybe it would be okay - even though I still really struggled with it.  To buy some time and make sure that I would stay in control of the situation I said that I wasn't ok w/him sleeping around, I would have to know and feel comfortable with this person & they'd have to be safe (meaning clean, nice, and w/little risk of the word getting out).

 

Several weeks later I mentioned one of my male friends as a 'possiblity', but I was still very iffy about it for a number of reasons.  DH kept pushing for me to tell this friend how he felt and see if there was an option for that.  I did, but was clear with my friend that I wasn't sure that I was okay even though DH was.  As we started talking about the possibilty and getting to know each other better we realized that we had feelings & that this wouldn't just be sex.  We decided to stop going down that slippery slope.  I didn't tell DH, b/c i didn't want to hurt him and I wanted to keep my marriage and not persue other routes.  DH confronted me and I admitted to having a crush.  All hell broke loose.  He threatened to leave.  I broke the only rule - even though it wasn't on purpose and I was against the idea to begin with.  Even though I didn't act on those feelings I broke his heart.  On top of other issues we were already dealing with this has been horrendous. 

 

Now on top of having a crumbling marriage I have to distance myself from a friend who didn't choose this.   DH and I put him in an akward position.

 

After the blow-up I found that DH had signed up for a swinger/hook-up sex site.  He had e-mail accounts that I didn't know about.  He was taking MBA classes and going to the same bar to have a beer to 'unwind' after every class.  He still wanted to go 'check out' a night club that catered to swingers.  He even suggested that we have a shell marriage and date/have sex with other people.  He went nuts secretly spying on me - searching through my stuff, SIM card Reader, Keylogger, trying to hack into my acounts trying to find out 'how I really felt about him'.  Meanwhile I keep thinking what is he hiding?

 

My life is pitiful and I wouldn't be in this place if I had stuck to my guns.  Even if it doesn't go this bad for you is this how you want to start over in your relationship - him forcing you to do something you don't want to?  What will it lead to down the line sexually or in everyday events?

I know, I feel that way with every bone in my body.  I know how my ex is, he's done all the computer hacking thing on me too.  I don't trust what he says yet i try and make it fit my sense as well. 

 

Since we've separated, my life has changed dramatically, for the better in every sense.  I've accomplished one of my life's biggest goals and have alot of people depending on me to lead them into a better future and at the end of the day I couldn't possibly respect myself if i did what he is asking of me regardless of keeping our family together or not.  I know what i have to do but it is so hard and scary..  my life, my beliefs, and my self respect mean too much to me to compromise. 

 

I guess i just needed to get this off my chest because it isn't something you want to talk to your family members about thats for sure.  I've kept this in for so long keeping the shame with me...

 

I don't want this kind of relationship, I want someone who want me and only me.  I've told him that recently yet he still wants to come around and keep the same relationship with hopes i'll change my mind.  We've gone through so much together in the last couple years, things that hurt so much that lead to our broken relationship, broken heart, and broken trust.  I wish I could type it all out but that would end up being a novel... 

 

Thanks for the advice and the chance to vent.. i really needed that..

 

And to you liv, thanks for sharing your experience and I wish you the best in whatever you decide..

 

Sorry for taking so long to respond,,,, my life is crazy busy right now.. but great crazy busy!

 
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June 26, 2008, 10:11 pm PDT

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What about what you want? To prove his love to you, he should be willing to NOT demand that you have sex with other people while he watches. You ask, can he really care about me? In my opinion, I dont think so. It sounds like he is very selfish; he cares very much about himself and having his needs met. When/if you do go through with this for him, he is going to use it against you for the rest of your life. Dont do it; do not go against your own personal morals to please someone else. You wont be able to forgive yourself.
He isnt willing to compromise. All of your wishing, hoping and praying is a waste of time and energy. Instead, take that time and energy and focus on YOU. You deserve to live a happy, healthy and fulfilling life; dont settle for anything less. It wont always be easy, but be true to yourself!

You have confirmed everything I feel, I cannot compromise myself like that, cause at the end of the day it is me who has to live with myself. 

 

Take care

 
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July 1, 2008, 6:35 pm PDT

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Quote From: lizlive

Since you are an active swinger I'd like to ask you your opinion on something.  First what made you and your wife decide to head down that path?  Do you ever get mixed up emotionally with partners?  Does it help or hender your physical relationship between the two of you?

 

My DH had been strongly suggesting that I sleep with other men for over 2 yrs.  I was not interested and was concerned that he wanted to sleep with other women.  He said no, he just thought it would rev up my libido.  I started to be cautiously open to the idea, though still not comfortable.  He wanted to go check out a swingers club in town - not to participate, but just to see what it was like (or so he said).

 

I started having feelings for a prospective partner and that broke Dh's heart.  Even though I stopped everything before we got pysical and said I wanted Dh not this other man. It wasn't good enough b/c he says he would never develop a crush on anyone else and that he's felt that he loved me more than I loved him for years. He was fine with sharing my body, but not my heart. 

 

After the blow-up I found that he had a profile on a swinger/hook-up site.  He'd been going out for a beer at one particular bar everytime he had a MBA class.  He withdrew significantly and for awhile even wanted us to have a shell marriage where we dated other people.  The whole thing has left me confused, hurt, feeling guilty, and untrusting.

 

I suppose what I'd like to know from you is what you think his plan really was when he started bring this up yrs ago?  Was it really just for me?  Was it for him?  Was he trying to ease me into the swinger life?  Did he just underestimate the consequences of opening that door?  Am I crazy to believe/feel that I am being punished for something I didn't mean to do (feelings) and that wouldn't have happened if he hadn't have pushed me that direction?  Don't get me wrong I am very willing to take my share of the blame - I am carrying significant guilt over this. 

I can not answer any questions pertaining to his motivations or plans.  Your gut will tell you the answer to those questions.

 

What I can say is that what you are describing is NOT legitimate healthy swinging and you are in no position whatsoever to even consider any kind of swinging arraingement.  Swinging is NEVER, repeat NEVER the answer or the cure to troubled or unsatisfying marriage.  Think of marriage as like a fire and swining like a wind.  If the fire is burning bright and strong the wind will make it hotter and more intense.  But if the fire is weak and flickering the wind will snuff it out in an instant.

 

I don't know why he has been asking you to do the things he has.  My suggestion is to seak traditional marriage counseling and work to improve the level of communication and intimacy in your marriage and not to even consider bringing anyone else into your bedroom under any circumstance.

 
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July 1, 2008, 9:03 pm PDT

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Quote From: chiefgirl

I need some advice, i'm in quite the situation and not sure what to do.

My partner and I  split 6 months ago and are still in a sexual relationship, better than ever I might add, anyhow, we've been talking about getting back together and it hinges on one thing.  I must have sex with multiple strange partners while he watches, and I MUST enjoy myself to prove to him how much i still care for him.  He says he wants me to enjoy myself even though he knows I was against this sexaul act when he first mentioned it years ago.  He says he is not willing to compromise or he will not come home. 

I've always believed that sex is something special that couples share in a relationship, this act that he wants me to do will feel like cheating even though he will be watching.  It goes against my beliefs and i want him and him only, not some stranger in my bed

We have had the stormiest and sometimes violent relationship and I do still care but i question if he wants me to do this.. Can he really care about me?  Will he even come home?  Can I live with myself after?  I don't know anymore.

As an active and happy swinger in a healthy and happy marriage I can say with certainty that what your partner is proposing is abusive, manipulative and downright destructive.   I can't understand for the life of me why you are even wasting the bandwidth and time and effort to ask strangers what you should do.  Do you think anyone is really going to tell you to do anything else besides kick him to the curb and get him out of your life completely?

 

You are correct, sex is something special that couples share in a relationship.  What he is proposing is degrading and manipulative and discusting.  My bet is he is doing to try and strip you of what last few crumbs of self esteem you have left so that once you feel like total trash then he can have total control over you. 

 

No he does not care about you, he wants to own and dominate you.  Those are two completely different things.  He is violent, manipulative and perverted, why on earth do you even want him to come home?  You need to get as far away from him as you possibly can and then get yourself into a decent shrink to find out why you are putting up with this kind of crap. 

 

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