Topic : Is This Normal?

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Your partner asked you to do WHAT? Some things are taboo. Some things are common but just not discussed. Where does your sex life fit in?

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June 25, 2008, 2:04 pm PDT

Is This Normal?

Quote From: virgil

My wife and I are active swingers for the past couple years and have been to a number of swinger clubs so I do have some experience in this area.  For starters tread very carefully in this matter and keep your eyes wide open and keep the channels of communication open at all times.   All men are titilated with the idea of swinging and  for the right couples doing it for the right reasons and in the right manner it can really enhance the level of trust, intimacy and communication between a couple.  HOWEVER it is not for most couples.  there is a good reason that the vast majority of the earth's population practices monogamy as it's official form of sexual expression.

 

Swinging may enhance a satisfying, stable and healthy relationship that already has a satisfying romantic and sexual relationship but it will quickly DESTROY a relationship that has any cracks in it at all.  My advice at this point is to think of it as a sexy fantasy and discuss it more and open up your communication with a lot of "what if?" questions.   Find some swinger message boards and read as much information there as you can from current active swingers.  I would also suggest looking into some actual homemade swinger videos and watching those together and discussing them.  Do NOT get commercial porn videos from Hollywood porn studios.  Real swingers are not young hardbodied porn models.  Real swingers are your middle aged next door neighbors with familys and strethmarks and receding hairlines and potbellys.

 

Don't jump into anything and don't let your SO talk you into anything just because he has a fantasy.  In order for your relationship to survive this has to be something  that you two do together as full equals and it has to be for both of your benifits.  Do lots of talking and research and make sure it is really something that both of you want to explore.

Since you are an active swinger I'd like to ask you your opinion on something.  First what made you and your wife decide to head down that path?  Do you ever get mixed up emotionally with partners?  Does it help or hender your physical relationship between the two of you?

 

My DH had been strongly suggesting that I sleep with other men for over 2 yrs.  I was not interested and was concerned that he wanted to sleep with other women.  He said no, he just thought it would rev up my libido.  I started to be cautiously open to the idea, though still not comfortable.  He wanted to go check out a swingers club in town - not to participate, but just to see what it was like (or so he said).

 

I started having feelings for a prospective partner and that broke Dh's heart.  Even though I stopped everything before we got pysical and said I wanted Dh not this other man. It wasn't good enough b/c he says he would never develop a crush on anyone else and that he's felt that he loved me more than I loved him for years. He was fine with sharing my body, but not my heart. 

 

After the blow-up I found that he had a profile on a swinger/hook-up site.  He'd been going out for a beer at one particular bar everytime he had a MBA class.  He withdrew significantly and for awhile even wanted us to have a shell marriage where we dated other people.  The whole thing has left me confused, hurt, feeling guilty, and untrusting.

 

I suppose what I'd like to know from you is what you think his plan really was when he started bring this up yrs ago?  Was it really just for me?  Was it for him?  Was he trying to ease me into the swinger life?  Did he just underestimate the consequences of opening that door?  Am I crazy to believe/feel that I am being punished for something I didn't mean to do (feelings) and that wouldn't have happened if he hadn't have pushed me that direction?  Don't get me wrong I am very willing to take my share of the blame - I am carrying significant guilt over this. 

 
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June 25, 2008, 2:27 pm PDT

Is This Normal?

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i have put posts up needing advice for months........
NO One has replied..........

my family wants me to give him up.  do an annulment. 
I want to give him a chance, but I have no idea how to do this.
Please help

It's killing me to live with a man that doesn't want to be with me.  WHAT THE HELL am i supposed to do to keep this marriage together.
Why do you want to be with a man who doesn't want to be with you?
 
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June 25, 2008, 4:23 pm PDT

Listen to your instincts

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I need some advice, i'm in quite the situation and not sure what to do.

My partner and I  split 6 months ago and are still in a sexual relationship, better than ever I might add, anyhow, we've been talking about getting back together and it hinges on one thing.  I must have sex with multiple strange partners while he watches, and I MUST enjoy myself to prove to him how much i still care for him.  He says he wants me to enjoy myself even though he knows I was against this sexaul act when he first mentioned it years ago.  He says he is not willing to compromise or he will not come home. 

I've always believed that sex is something special that couples share in a relationship, this act that he wants me to do will feel like cheating even though he will be watching.  It goes against my beliefs and i want him and him only, not some stranger in my bed

We have had the stormiest and sometimes violent relationship and I do still care but i question if he wants me to do this.. Can he really care about me?  Will he even come home?  Can I live with myself after?  I don't know anymore.

What about what you want? To prove his love to you, he should be willing to NOT demand that you have sex with other people while he watches. You ask, “can he really care about me?” In my opinion, I don’t think so. It sounds like he is very selfish; he cares very much about himself and having his needs met. When/if you do go through with this for him, he is going to use it against you for the rest of your life. Don’t do it; do not go against your own personal morals to please someone else. You won’t be able to forgive yourself.
He isn’t willing to compromise. All of your wishing, hoping and praying is a waste of time and energy. Instead, take that time and energy and focus on YOU. You deserve to live a happy, healthy and fulfilling life; don’t settle for anything less. It won’t always be easy, but be true to yourself!
 
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June 26, 2008, 10:04 pm PDT

I know I Know

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I wish I had great advice, unfortunately I'm in a similar situation - not to that extreme though.  This is my first post.  I signed up to respond to your post.  All I can say is WATCH OUT!  There's so many problems I see here and things that could backfire.  It's a can of worms that can get out of hand in a hurry.  The biggest issue I see if that this is a must and it's an extreme must that suggests other issues your partner has.  If he loves you than he loves YOU and needs to keep his fantasies in check.  Has he said why this is such a big deal?  Is he prepared for the aftermath - what if you find someone else in the process, what if it's not as great to watch you do this as he thinks it is, etc... 

 

My DH had been strongly suggesting for me to sleep with other men for a couple of years.  I was like you and found it wrong on multiple levels.  He didn't say he wanted to watch, he didn't have any 'rules' for it other than I couldn't love that person.  He swore that he didn't want to sleep with other women.  He thought it was rev up my libido.

 

I shrugged it off for a long time.  And even felt a little put off that he would be okay with sahring me that way. Then last fall I finally thought I'd keep an open mind.  We'd been having some issues and were getting better so I thought maybe it would be okay - even though I still really struggled with it.  To buy some time and make sure that I would stay in control of the situation I said that I wasn't ok w/him sleeping around, I would have to know and feel comfortable with this person & they'd have to be safe (meaning clean, nice, and w/little risk of the word getting out).

 

Several weeks later I mentioned one of my male friends as a 'possiblity', but I was still very iffy about it for a number of reasons.  DH kept pushing for me to tell this friend how he felt and see if there was an option for that.  I did, but was clear with my friend that I wasn't sure that I was okay even though DH was.  As we started talking about the possibilty and getting to know each other better we realized that we had feelings & that this wouldn't just be sex.  We decided to stop going down that slippery slope.  I didn't tell DH, b/c i didn't want to hurt him and I wanted to keep my marriage and not persue other routes.  DH confronted me and I admitted to having a crush.  All hell broke loose.  He threatened to leave.  I broke the only rule - even though it wasn't on purpose and I was against the idea to begin with.  Even though I didn't act on those feelings I broke his heart.  On top of other issues we were already dealing with this has been horrendous. 

 

Now on top of having a crumbling marriage I have to distance myself from a friend who didn't choose this.   DH and I put him in an akward position.

 

After the blow-up I found that DH had signed up for a swinger/hook-up sex site.  He had e-mail accounts that I didn't know about.  He was taking MBA classes and going to the same bar to have a beer to 'unwind' after every class.  He still wanted to go 'check out' a night club that catered to swingers.  He even suggested that we have a shell marriage and date/have sex with other people.  He went nuts secretly spying on me - searching through my stuff, SIM card Reader, Keylogger, trying to hack into my acounts trying to find out 'how I really felt about him'.  Meanwhile I keep thinking what is he hiding?

 

My life is pitiful and I wouldn't be in this place if I had stuck to my guns.  Even if it doesn't go this bad for you is this how you want to start over in your relationship - him forcing you to do something you don't want to?  What will it lead to down the line sexually or in everyday events?

I know, I feel that way with every bone in my body.  I know how my ex is, he's done all the computer hacking thing on me too.  I don't trust what he says yet i try and make it fit my sense as well. 

 

Since we've separated, my life has changed dramatically, for the better in every sense.  I've accomplished one of my life's biggest goals and have alot of people depending on me to lead them into a better future and at the end of the day I couldn't possibly respect myself if i did what he is asking of me regardless of keeping our family together or not.  I know what i have to do but it is so hard and scary..  my life, my beliefs, and my self respect mean too much to me to compromise. 

 

I guess i just needed to get this off my chest because it isn't something you want to talk to your family members about thats for sure.  I've kept this in for so long keeping the shame with me...

 

I don't want this kind of relationship, I want someone who want me and only me.  I've told him that recently yet he still wants to come around and keep the same relationship with hopes i'll change my mind.  We've gone through so much together in the last couple years, things that hurt so much that lead to our broken relationship, broken heart, and broken trust.  I wish I could type it all out but that would end up being a novel... 

 

Thanks for the advice and the chance to vent.. i really needed that..

 

And to you liv, thanks for sharing your experience and I wish you the best in whatever you decide..

 

Sorry for taking so long to respond,,,, my life is crazy busy right now.. but great crazy busy!

 
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June 26, 2008, 10:11 pm PDT

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What about what you want? To prove his love to you, he should be willing to NOT demand that you have sex with other people while he watches. You ask, can he really care about me? In my opinion, I dont think so. It sounds like he is very selfish; he cares very much about himself and having his needs met. When/if you do go through with this for him, he is going to use it against you for the rest of your life. Dont do it; do not go against your own personal morals to please someone else. You wont be able to forgive yourself.
He isnt willing to compromise. All of your wishing, hoping and praying is a waste of time and energy. Instead, take that time and energy and focus on YOU. You deserve to live a happy, healthy and fulfilling life; dont settle for anything less. It wont always be easy, but be true to yourself!

You have confirmed everything I feel, I cannot compromise myself like that, cause at the end of the day it is me who has to live with myself. 

 

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July 1, 2008, 6:35 pm PDT

Is This Normal?

Quote From: lizlive

Since you are an active swinger I'd like to ask you your opinion on something.  First what made you and your wife decide to head down that path?  Do you ever get mixed up emotionally with partners?  Does it help or hender your physical relationship between the two of you?

 

My DH had been strongly suggesting that I sleep with other men for over 2 yrs.  I was not interested and was concerned that he wanted to sleep with other women.  He said no, he just thought it would rev up my libido.  I started to be cautiously open to the idea, though still not comfortable.  He wanted to go check out a swingers club in town - not to participate, but just to see what it was like (or so he said).

 

I started having feelings for a prospective partner and that broke Dh's heart.  Even though I stopped everything before we got pysical and said I wanted Dh not this other man. It wasn't good enough b/c he says he would never develop a crush on anyone else and that he's felt that he loved me more than I loved him for years. He was fine with sharing my body, but not my heart. 

 

After the blow-up I found that he had a profile on a swinger/hook-up site.  He'd been going out for a beer at one particular bar everytime he had a MBA class.  He withdrew significantly and for awhile even wanted us to have a shell marriage where we dated other people.  The whole thing has left me confused, hurt, feeling guilty, and untrusting.

 

I suppose what I'd like to know from you is what you think his plan really was when he started bring this up yrs ago?  Was it really just for me?  Was it for him?  Was he trying to ease me into the swinger life?  Did he just underestimate the consequences of opening that door?  Am I crazy to believe/feel that I am being punished for something I didn't mean to do (feelings) and that wouldn't have happened if he hadn't have pushed me that direction?  Don't get me wrong I am very willing to take my share of the blame - I am carrying significant guilt over this. 

I can not answer any questions pertaining to his motivations or plans.  Your gut will tell you the answer to those questions.

 

What I can say is that what you are describing is NOT legitimate healthy swinging and you are in no position whatsoever to even consider any kind of swinging arraingement.  Swinging is NEVER, repeat NEVER the answer or the cure to troubled or unsatisfying marriage.  Think of marriage as like a fire and swining like a wind.  If the fire is burning bright and strong the wind will make it hotter and more intense.  But if the fire is weak and flickering the wind will snuff it out in an instant.

 

I don't know why he has been asking you to do the things he has.  My suggestion is to seak traditional marriage counseling and work to improve the level of communication and intimacy in your marriage and not to even consider bringing anyone else into your bedroom under any circumstance.

 
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July 1, 2008, 9:03 pm PDT

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Quote From: chiefgirl

I need some advice, i'm in quite the situation and not sure what to do.

My partner and I  split 6 months ago and are still in a sexual relationship, better than ever I might add, anyhow, we've been talking about getting back together and it hinges on one thing.  I must have sex with multiple strange partners while he watches, and I MUST enjoy myself to prove to him how much i still care for him.  He says he wants me to enjoy myself even though he knows I was against this sexaul act when he first mentioned it years ago.  He says he is not willing to compromise or he will not come home. 

I've always believed that sex is something special that couples share in a relationship, this act that he wants me to do will feel like cheating even though he will be watching.  It goes against my beliefs and i want him and him only, not some stranger in my bed

We have had the stormiest and sometimes violent relationship and I do still care but i question if he wants me to do this.. Can he really care about me?  Will he even come home?  Can I live with myself after?  I don't know anymore.

As an active and happy swinger in a healthy and happy marriage I can say with certainty that what your partner is proposing is abusive, manipulative and downright destructive.   I can't understand for the life of me why you are even wasting the bandwidth and time and effort to ask strangers what you should do.  Do you think anyone is really going to tell you to do anything else besides kick him to the curb and get him out of your life completely?

 

You are correct, sex is something special that couples share in a relationship.  What he is proposing is degrading and manipulative and discusting.  My bet is he is doing to try and strip you of what last few crumbs of self esteem you have left so that once you feel like total trash then he can have total control over you. 

 

No he does not care about you, he wants to own and dominate you.  Those are two completely different things.  He is violent, manipulative and perverted, why on earth do you even want him to come home?  You need to get as far away from him as you possibly can and then get yourself into a decent shrink to find out why you are putting up with this kind of crap. 

 
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July 2, 2008, 8:26 am PDT

How to enjoy?

  Penis size never mattered to me until I met my ex, he was around 6-7in and good girth size and we had a very wild and wonderful sex life.  Now I'm married to the most wonderful man I could ever ask for he gives me anything and everything and my life is by far the best it's ever been.  However after being with my ex, when my husband and I have sex his size does nothing for me, I can't even feel him.  This makes me turned off to sex and I hate that as I love the feel and rush ones gets from having sex.

   My husband and I have had numerous talks about our sex life and the fact that it doesn't feel good to me, and it's because of his size.  I feel very very horrible that we have no sex life, but I can't enjoy it when I feel nothing.   Help, what can I do to make our sex life feel better with out making my husband feel even worse about his size?

 
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July 3, 2008, 6:00 pm PDT

Is This Normal?

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  Penis size never mattered to me until I met my ex, he was around 6-7in and good girth size and we had a very wild and wonderful sex life.  Now I'm married to the most wonderful man I could ever ask for he gives me anything and everything and my life is by far the best it's ever been.  However after being with my ex, when my husband and I have sex his size does nothing for me, I can't even feel him.  This makes me turned off to sex and I hate that as I love the feel and rush ones gets from having sex.

   My husband and I have had numerous talks about our sex life and the fact that it doesn't feel good to me, and it's because of his size.  I feel very very horrible that we have no sex life, but I can't enjoy it when I feel nothing.   Help, what can I do to make our sex life feel better with out making my husband feel even worse about his size?

Well, your husband is going to have to be a big boy and realize that penis size isn't the reason you married him. Get a big dildo and go to town.

If you cannot live this way then you have to decide if it's worth a divorce or worth asking for an open marriage.  There is no way to make him bigger though. And I don't know of anyway to make you feel it more.
 
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July 3, 2008, 8:08 pm PDT

Is This Normal?

Quote From: melslambs

  Penis size never mattered to me until I met my ex, he was around 6-7in and good girth size and we had a very wild and wonderful sex life.  Now I'm married to the most wonderful man I could ever ask for he gives me anything and everything and my life is by far the best it's ever been.  However after being with my ex, when my husband and I have sex his size does nothing for me, I can't even feel him.  This makes me turned off to sex and I hate that as I love the feel and rush ones gets from having sex.

   My husband and I have had numerous talks about our sex life and the fact that it doesn't feel good to me, and it's because of his size.  I feel very very horrible that we have no sex life, but I can't enjoy it when I feel nothing.   Help, what can I do to make our sex life feel better with out making my husband feel even worse about his size?

Well my message got deleted b/c some people don't like the anatomy of the human body or can't stand that some people do different things in bed then they or something so I'll try to cover my terms even more so I hope you are still able to read it.

 

Well there are a few things you can try:

Oral s** can help you achieve an org*** seen as the cl**orus is much more sensitive then the lining of your vag***. Your mouth is also more sensitive so giving him oral  makes you feel him more as well.

 

There are different positions you can try since some allow him to get in deeper. you can search the web for different positions (try to avoid the p*rn sites among the search results)

 

Also I suggest you try training your vag*** muscles, they allow you to grip your partner's memb** better making you feel him better. As an added bonus training them will intensify your org***

 

You have toys that fit around the base of his memb** which vibr*** making the experience for the both of you more pleasurable.

 

Last if you are really adventurous you can try going in via the backdoor. It is not for everyone but seen as the muscles are really thight there you are shure to feel him there. If you want to try it you must be catious and follow these guidelines: take it slow, the muscles need to adapt to something entering. Use a cond** for hygenic purposes. Use lots of water based lub******** since this place doesn't do that on his own.

 

Now that are the tips about se**** activity that I can give you. But I do want to ask you the question if this is the real problem or are there any other things in or out of the bed that bother you? Aren't you atributing things to the size of his memb** that may be unrelated? It doesn't have to be I am just wondering...

 

Okay I hope this is covered up enough, I can't cover it up any more. If you are offended by this I am sorry but people do this in the bedroom and they like it. I am just trying to help people find there own way in it. Some things work some things don't. That is why I wan't to give the full spectrum (that I know of) of options. It would be easy if I could just use the names we are all acustomed to. But if it is over the line using a perfectly normal term like a*** (I really don't know another less offending word for it in english or dutch) then I am sorry

 

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