Topic : 12/04 Heroin Twins: The Intervention, Part 3

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Created on : Friday, December 01, 2006, 03:19:25 pm
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Dr. Phil continues his work with twin sisters who are addicted to heroin and crack cocaine and were spiraling out of control. A few days into her detox, Sarah begins to emerge from her haze of drug use and painful withdrawal symptoms. Is she committed to the work involved with getting clean? Dr. Phil questions their mother, Cindy, about her own history of alcohol use and how she is sabotaging Tecoa’s sobriety and the health of her unborn baby. Then, Dr. Phil tracks down the sisters’ long-lost stepfather, Perry. They say his disappearance from their lives played a significant role toward their decline into drug use and prostitution. How does Perry explain his absence from their lives, and does his appearance bring closure for Sarah and Tecoa? As the twins begin to take their first steps toward a new life, Dr. Phil informs them that their paths of sobriety will be separate. Will they agree to go to different rehab centers to learn how to stand on their own two feet? Share your thoughts here.

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December 8, 2006, 10:22 am PST

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what is chippin

When a person starts to use heroin its a 'little here and a little there' (hence the term chippin,street lingo) . "He started chippin after 5yrs of sobrity/clean and we all know there is no chipping in heroin users" . I was refering to the newbie, the person that has no idea of the physical addiction they will soon be experiencing, in a very short time.  This can be compared to the "social drinker"  or the 'weekend partee-er' that occasionally may experiment with drugs vs. the alcoholic that cannot take that first drink or the addict that knows  what the first fix  will result in.  There is no middle ground for heroin user nor alcoholics.

I hope this explaination has shed some light on your question.

 

I have to go and read up on the progress of the twins at their new rehab centers.  I am very interested in the  'cutting edge technology'  and 'state-of-the-art facility', that Dr. Phil provided for the twins.  

 

    

 

Hopefully yours, Blaze

 
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December 8, 2006, 11:51 am PST

Thank you

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Hi I am an addict..I have struggled with addiction for 14 yrs...I can tell you from an addicts point of view  that all the love in the world will not stop us for using...I had and still have the most supportive family who thank God have not gave up on me...but the hard truth is you have to want to change..I have been clean from herion now for over two years...I went on the methadone program...I decided a year into that I wanted off...and within 6 weeks I was off methadone...and have been for a year...I refuse to a herion junkie again...But again it was my choice...

Your brother has to want to get clean, all you can do is be supportive, let him know you care, this is my opionon of course...my family didnt shut me out and I am glad they didnt cause I probably woundnt be writing this if they had,...I still smoke crack cocaine and inject cocaine not everyday but at least 3-4 times a week.......and its a rush...it numbs you...nothing matters but getting that next rock or fix,,,,but everyone around me knows the signs...which are moody, disappearing for hours or days, or spending to much time in the bathroom, always needing a lighter, spoons that are bent..black on the bottom, your pupils go huge, you cant sit still, your body is racing....and the come down sucks...you feel lost, lonely, empty, you want that rush so bad it can make you say and do mean things to people especially the ones you love the most cause they will usually always take it from us..makes you wonder why after your down why you would want to do it all over again...

We lie, we steal, we do what we have to, to get drugs, we make up stories that sound great to us but make no sense to someone else...we play on people emotions, weakness, thats what addicts do. We lie about where are money has gone...say we spent it on things that we dont have...lent it to people..and never get it back...And Blame other people for are using...we always can find an excuse to use. I am over the blame part...I know now that everything I do is cause I want  to...its all about choices and yes I am still making wrong ones but its getting better...

There are lots of support groups around...for people affected by others addictions...you probably could find one on here. Hope things change for the better for you.,,,,

Hi,

 

I wish I could tell you how much your family loves you and how much they want you to be clean.  Every waking hour I think about my brother and wonder when it is he will realize that the past is the past and that every minute he has that he is alive is very precious to us, his children.  We would miss him soooo very much if he died. 

 

Just the fact that you are writing shows that you have a good heart and are a very special person.  You may doubt that, but I know that you are.  I wish I had the magic words for both you and my brother, but I don't. 

 

He tells me that with meetings, sponsors and support he can stop.  He says he's not addicted and he sounds so convincing that we believe him! 

 

Why wouldn't a person "want to stop"?  Help me understand.  Why wouldn't you "want to"? Why wouldn't you want thing to change for the better for you too?

 Were you born in 77?  I have a son that was born in 77.   Please feel my support for you and please know that I will pray just as hard for you and your family , as I will for my brother.

 
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December 8, 2006, 11:57 am PST

love and prayers

I pray for the people that are on drugs, I pray they get the help they need! I also pray they accept Jesus in there life too!  God  bless them!
 
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December 8, 2006, 2:07 pm PST

There's hope

These girls can do it, not that it's going to be easy. I did drugs for 10 years and have just recently been sober for 2 years. Im 23 years old and when I found out that I had to choose quitting or going to jail I thought that my life was over, totally over. My entire existance revolved around useing, selling and partying with drugs. I was in out patient treatment and on state probation for 3 years. It's all about makeing choices and deciding what you want to do with your life. At the time I had no idea where to even begin, all I knew was that I didn't like jail, but that was the begining for me. The rest came to me at a later time. Im still figuring a lot of things out actually but at least I am a functioning member of society. I have a job, a boyfriend, and a place to live today. I actually pay my bills and get up and go to work every day. Its not a life of glitz and glamour but its far better than the old life that I lived. Sometimes I still get bored and I want to use "for old times sake" but then I reflect on how far I have come and what I could lose if I chose drugs again. At any rate I know these girls can do it. It just takes some time and some patience. Heroin, crack, and meth are all possible to kick. I know because I have.
 
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December 8, 2006, 4:26 pm PST

herion twins

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If thats true explain why the Mom said to Dr. Phil, "I did not know it had gotten this bad." Why has she said she could nto have the girlos at home becuase they steal from her? She wasn't involved in their lives before this show. If you ask me Mom has her own problems to fix before she is strong enough to help the girls. SO tell me......even after Dr. Phil stepped in Mom drank beer with her pregnant daughter......she has done no better than Dad, and Dad offered the girls to come live with him..........but they did nto want ot follow the rules. Of coarse rebellious teens are going to want to live with the parent that allows them to do whatever they want.
 I wasn't saying the mom did not screw up....I just meant it wasn't all her fault it was the dads to and that maybe if he would of stuck around closer, then the two of them could have kept a better eye on the girls and maybe have kept them from getting this bad....Both parents have got problems they need to work on....I think that if the twins can stay off the drugs then they can get their heads on straight and really do ok for them selves...
 
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December 8, 2006, 5:44 pm PST

12/04 Heroin Twins: The Intervention, Part 3

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  The father through legal adoption should have told his wife that he had a responsibility.  You don't just dump a kid b/c they have problems.  You talk to them, work it out, get them help, spend time with them.  He didn't even have to take them into his house, just spend time with them and be there for them.  That would have helped a lot.

 

Some kind of visitation schedule should have been arranged thru the court with some other relative (not the mom) having sole custody.  That way the "dad" could be in their lives without the "danger" of them being around the baby. 

 

I guess if you knock up some other chick, everyone else has to suffer.

Maybe he did not walk out on them but was pushed out by the mother and not allowed to help.  We did not hear the entire story of the interpersonal relationship with the mother or the kids.  They did have a visitation schedule and he tried to be in contact with the girls but was not given the total truth of what was actually going on.  I find it offensive you attribute the only reason for the problems was because he "knocked up some other chick"--it was his wife not some chick off the street.  At least have some respect for the people involved. 
 
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December 8, 2006, 6:10 pm PST

12/04 Heroin Twins: The Intervention, Part 3

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Yes, 20 years, and several years of courtship.

 

Certainly you can't believe that that was all easy sailing.  The easiest thing to do is quit when the going gets tough and generally the first two years are the hardest. 

 

We served 10+ years in the Army, where we met.  We had 3 children and had to leave them at times and moved several times-with one of us usually having to resign a job.

 

Then there was Desert Storm---total separation and the unknown.

 

And you can not be SURE that Perry and Rene are doing a great job raising their child just as you can not be sure of what Cindy and her daughters lives were when they were with Perry.

I agree with you that marriage is tough and is a full time job whether together or not.  I have been married for the second time (eight years).  I was just trying to point out a divorce couple would not follow each other around as oppposed to a married couple.  When I was divorced I did not follow my ex around so he could be a good father---he had a choice and unfortunately he chose not to be in his children's lives unless it was convenient for him.  (Perry stated he maintained contact with the girls until communication broke down---we didn't get the entire story.)  My husband is two thousand miles away from his children and have a great relationship with them.  He had to move for his job not because he wanted to but the job market was tough and he chose being able to provide for his children.  We all make choices.

 

After my husband fell out of my children's lives when they were eight and seven, it was important as the sole parent to keep things stable and know they were loved---just as you did when you and your spouse were separated due to Desert Storm.  We should pat ourselves on the back and applaud our children for being healthy.  My children are 19 and 17 and have dealt with abandonment issues. A step parent can provide them love, security and structure but the children can still have abandonment issues no matter what age the children were.

 

I congratulate you on your successful marriage and hope you have many more.

 
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December 8, 2006, 7:16 pm PST

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     My ex-husband (father of four of my children) Is currently in active addiction and has been since our divorce in 1998. At the time of our divorce the kids were, 10,9,8,& 5 years old.  His contact has always been speratic ( we didn't hear from him for 2 years at one point) he is usually under the influence when he does call, and every time he does talk to them he makes empty and broken promises. I have always been honest with my children, never bad-mouthing their father. (no matter how much he irritated me)

     I did let him talk to them and see them whenever he wanted. As much as it hurt to see them heartbroken and dissapointed, I needed to let them talk to & see him for him and not what I wanted them to see him to be. I made sure their safety was my first priority so I chose safe neutral family members for him to see them at their place.

     He has bad-mouthed me to them and tried to blame me for the limited contact but they knew better. I did not feed into it and continued to allow him to talk to them no matter what he sounded like when he called. When they got off the phone or after a visit my children may have acted differently as a response the their dissapointment. I just held them, told them I loved them and that in his own way, their father loved them too.

     My children are now, 18, 17, 16, & 12 years old. They respect me for NEVER keeping them from their father. They do not believe one word their father says so they are less heartbroken and dissapointed. I come out to be the "good guy".

     I was kept from my father and lost respect for my mother as a result of it. It was not easy all of these years, but I did for my kids. I had a lot of people telling me I was wrong but my kids do not think that at all. your 8 year old girl WILL resent you if you get in the way. Just make sure she is safe and that she knows she can confide in you when she is dissapointed by her mother (because she will be).

     Do not feed into the mothers negativity. Be better than that. I guarrentee, the child will eventually figure it out. God bless you, Lonnie O'Neill

I totally see your point, but after the loss of 7 children and no contact with them what is the constant connection to this child we have?  I just have stomach cramps by the stuff that this child has been exposed to and talks of.  I don't know of any 8 year olds that know as much about what we as adults do and this is based on what she has been exposed to.  How is seeing her mother all doped up even supervised going to benefit her in the long run.  She has lost 7 kids from her addiction and lack of parenting.  How can we expose her to this over and over and not have this have an effect on her from the things she sees. Any suggestions?

mISHCHUSKA

 
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December 8, 2006, 8:33 pm PST

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No problem.  I'm sure my post did read rather "questionable".

 

You sure hit the nail on the head with this post. 

 

If Cindy doesn't "get it" when Sarah and Tecoa get out of rehab, then I hope those twins will be strong enough to make the right decision as to whether or not their own mother can even be in their lives.  Sounds harsh, but they are of age and they need peace once and for all -- no matter who they have to cut out of their lives.

 

I honestly didn't realize just how epidemic these street drugs are.  I'm not completely ignorant, but I read every single one of the second shows posts - I wasn't feeling well that day -  and the testimony's were very uplifting and disturbing at the same time if that makes sense.

I just wanted to reply that i believe the biggest part of their recovery is being placed into the world not ready for what the real world is about to unfold.  The stress of finding employment or even being productive with high levels of esteem.  They need a strong leader to guide them through the upcoming transitions.  I don't believe that the mother will be a strong role model to mold these girls into society a world of every day functioning they now have to face.  I wish them the best and God Bess all those who's faith is with these girls for the sake of their well being.

Mishchuska

 
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December 8, 2006, 9:05 pm PST

thanks carla your so wrong

please realize the lives that have been restored due to methadone, mine for one.  i was a useless piece of crap before i got on methadone,  and my family is thankful for it.
 

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