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Topic : 12/04 Heroin Twins: The Intervention, Part 3

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Created on : Friday, December 01, 2006, 03:19:25 pm
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Dr. Phil continues his work with twin sisters who are addicted to heroin and crack cocaine and were spiraling out of control. A few days into her detox, Sarah begins to emerge from her haze of drug use and painful withdrawal symptoms. Is she committed to the work involved with getting clean? Dr. Phil questions their mother, Cindy, about her own history of alcohol use and how she is sabotaging Tecoa’s sobriety and the health of her unborn baby. Then, Dr. Phil tracks down the sisters’ long-lost stepfather, Perry. They say his disappearance from their lives played a significant role toward their decline into drug use and prostitution. How does Perry explain his absence from their lives, and does his appearance bring closure for Sarah and Tecoa? As the twins begin to take their first steps toward a new life, Dr. Phil informs them that their paths of sobriety will be separate. Will they agree to go to different rehab centers to learn how to stand on their own two feet? Share your thoughts here.

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December 4, 2006, 2:44 pm PST

tough love or quitting

I am a bit surprised that Dr Phil made the comment  ,, I didn't know quitting was an option when it came to parenting,,.  I have also been exposed to a family member on drugs. It took our family accepting that we had been enabiling our family member that was on drugs. That the best way for us to help was to stop taking her choices on and giving her choices back to here and letting her own them, then and only then could she address her choices and decide if she wanted to stop using. I feel that Perry tried to offer the twins an option to  live with him and his wife. Cindy was such an easy mark for the twins.They are very manipulative and mom is not that strong. Addicts know the  people they can manipulate. Perry was blamed unfairly ,in my opinion, for choosing not to allow the girls in his life if they wanted to continue down their same path of distruction. He offered "Tough Love Dr Phil, not abandoment issues. I feel he made a wise choice in not allowing the girls back in his life.  The twins will see all the this (show issues)

differently if and when they choose to become healthier.  Poisening another family (Perry's)

was not an option, and I felt very sad on one hand and proud of Perry and his wife on the other, they made the "tough love" choice. That took courage.

I know Perry wants all that is good for his girls. I also understand why he felt the girls needed to make the commitment to invest in his guidelines, home and living conditions and not

in Cindy's If he did tell the girls they needed to make a choice of contact with Cindy . Cindy still carries some issues about Perry. That is her illness, hope she gets the help she needs to detach and grow in her own right. Lots of emeshment between the twins and her right now. This situation was only going to work out if the twins received help from a professional setting anyhow. Parents are not equiped to handle addicts on their own. I give Dr. Phil and his staff much credit for giving the girls the choice.  thanks

 

 
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December 4, 2006, 2:44 pm PST

This MOM is not going to

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what is chippin
She is too busy drinking and making excuses.
 
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December 4, 2006, 2:47 pm PST

Run the race

Run in such a way to get the prize. (1 cor 9:24). The girls are taking responsibility. Maybe for the first time. We have all had our hearts broken for one reason or another. The paths we take will not all be the same. there are too many variables that make up a person and the choices they will make. But TODAY, they have been given hope and help. They will receive tools that they had not before possessed. And they can become amazing human beings. I for one support them. I used heroin and cocaine for many yrs. I did all the same dirt they did. I have been hospitalized several times. Suicide attempts. complete void of hope. This is not the life these girls wanted for themselves. They had dreams like everyonwe else. I will be praying for them. I now have a sweet life. I have 3 beautiful children, I am married to a wonderful man of God. I am a leader in m y church. I now help other people who want to recover from drugs. My life has been So blessed. I threw away any guilt or shame from the past. Realizing it was only a cancer in my life to allow those feeelings. Regret, sure. These girls are precious. they just need to learn that themselves. And hopefully one day soon, They too will have an awesome testimony and pass it on. This time will onyl become a reference point in their lives. They have to face their demons head on, and keep their eyes on the prize. They will have to reach down deep inside for the soldier in themselves, and battle up. Because this will be a war for their very lives. They can come out victorious. It is not the size of the dog inthe fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.

 
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December 4, 2006, 2:53 pm PST

You're Going A Long Way Baby

Ladies, you look so much healthier and happy!!!  Keep smiling and may God be with you and your Mother and friend Joanie.  You can do this!!!  You have so much to look forward to.  You're both beutiful young girls with so much vibrance and life...we can surely see it now...way to go!!!
 
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December 4, 2006, 3:01 pm PST

Totally Agree!

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I don't normally disagree with Dr. Phil but I was SOO mad today when he blamed everything on the father.  He could have done a few things differently but the comment about once he had a biological daughter on the way he threw away the twins - what a joke!  My sister has problems that our family has to in ways separate her.  I have made the decision not to talk toyou to protect my son. 

 

I wish everyone had such a perfect life, with perfect kids - he has no idea!!  I'm so disappointed in him!

I totally agree with this post.  How dare Dr. Phil lay the twin's addictions at the feet of the father! Yes, he adopted them; yes, he divorced their mother.  What did the mother do to keep the lines of communication open for the twins? Did she bad-mouth the father to the twins? Did she ever once try to sit down with Perry and his wife, Renee, to discuss treatment options as a family? At what point were the twins responsible for cleaning up their act and making amends with their father? Yes, I understand that they felt abandoned; yes, I get that the feeling of abandonment may have, in apart, led to their use of drugs, alcohol and prostitution; no, I do not agree that they had the right to stay in those feelings and use them as an excuse to go deeper into their addictions.  The bottom line is this: At some point you have to take responsibilty for your own shortcomings.  You have to admit when you have lost control and then make a conscious effort to change.  You cannot keep blaming everyone else and then expect those same people to come to your rescue when you fall.  Tecoa and Sarah need to grow up; their mother needs to get real; their step-father and his wife need to learn more about the REAL effects of addiction on families, maybe by attending some Al-Anon meetings in their local town; and Dr. Phil, don't be so quick to lay everything at the feet of the parent or parents who did the best that THEY knew how at the time of their experience with the life-changing event.  Thank you.
 
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December 4, 2006, 3:03 pm PST

Yes, I agree with you

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Boy does this show what can happen when anger controls the parents when there is a divorce.  A step-mother can pull a father away from his childrenf he doesn't let her know right up front that he divorced the mother of the children not the children.  Shame on all 3 parents for the way they dealt with these girls. 
 I really was remiss in not including the mother in my rant. She was just as bad. I wouldn't let any of those three babysit my dog.I am so sick and tired of living in a world where kids are always considered after all the 'grown-ups' get THEIR needs met first....,and second, and third........
 
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December 4, 2006, 3:05 pm PST

hope

I really hope that the girls get the help they need. I have a sister that is a recovering drug user, she has been clean for about 8 months, she still go to outpatient treatment. God bless her. I have hope for these girls because i believe they can do this.  Tecoa needs to be strong for the baby. Sarah she can do this. I hope they get the help they need and stay clean for good.
 
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December 4, 2006, 3:13 pm PST

RE: Heroin Twins

 DR. PHIL SHOW...
  I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK YOU  ...FOR YOUR GREAT WORK IN HELPING SO MANY PEOPLE IN THIS LIFE!!!
WATCHING THE SHOW TODAY IT JUST MADE ME  SICK, SAD AND GRATEFUL ....
 I AM A VERY MUCH RECOVERING ADDICT ... I HAVE BEEN CLEAN FOR 8 YEARS NOW!!!...
  I HAD LIVED ON THE STREETS AND WAS VERY MUCH ADDICTED FOR ABOUT 3 1/2 - 4 YEARS .. I REMEMBER THE THOUGHTS I HAD WHEN USING ... I COULDN'T IMAGINE MY LIFE WITHOUT HEROIN ...BUT  NOW I CANT EVEN IMAGINE MY LIFE WITH IT ....
  ITS NOT AN EASY ROAD TO RECOVERY .... BUT IT IS VERY MUCH POSSIBLE .... I AM LIVING PROOF AND IF I CAN DO IT ANYONE CAN ....

 I JUST WANTED TO SAY HOW YOUR SHOW TODAY TOUCHED MY HEART .... IN THE BIGGEST WAY!!!
 I CANT STOP THINKING ABOUT HOW HAPPY I AM THAT I WAS ABLE TO PULL MYSELF OUT OF THAT LIFESTYLE .... LIFE IS SO, SOOO MUCH BETTER NOW!! .....  WHEN WATCHING YOUR SHOW I JUST WANTED TO TAKE THOSE GIRLS AND GIVE THEM THE BIGGEST HUG AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THEIR IS HOPE AND LIFE IS SO MUCH BETTER SOBER ......


 
 
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December 4, 2006, 3:16 pm PST

The twins

I am glad that the twins look so much better.

Sarah looked really great for what she went through.

I only hope that they can remain clean and remember that

things can only get better.  I know someone that did heroin

she was never really the same.  She is extremely paranoid

and makes the family nuts.  I just can not imagine what she

will be like years from now.  When she is not imagining things she

is causing so much trouble that her family can not stand to be around her.

It is a shame for she would give you the shirt off her back.

 

 

 
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December 4, 2006, 3:16 pm PST

I disagree

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I don't normally disagree with Dr. Phil but I was SOO mad today when he blamed everything on the father. He could have done a few things differently but the comment about once he had a biological daughter on the way he threw away the twins - what a joke! My sister has problems that our family has to in ways separate her. I have made the decision not to talk toyou to protect my son.

I wish everyone had such a perfect life, with perfect kids - he has no idea!! I'm so disappointed in him!

 I have to say, Dr Phil hit the nail on the head! At that point and time the girls were getting into trouble with delinquent behavior. I believe they were acting out as a direct result of the situation at hand. Dad married someone else,  having a new baby and living 1500 miles away! I am sorry, but that is a whole lot of change to handle even for an adult. I believe the mother (who by the way has accepted absolutly NO responsibility in any of this) contributed to the situation. The abandonment is real but it it not always one-sided. I thought the father and step mother were extremely selfish and judgemental.

     you said 'My sister has problems that our family has to in ways separate her.  I have made the decision not to talk toyou to protect my son'. 

     I had a son I had to place out of the home at the age of 10 because of his violent behavior. I NEVER gave up on him. We needed help and unfortunately the help ended in seperating him from myself and his siblings for several years! We did not have any contact what-so-ever for 2 and a half years! By the Grace of God, he is back in our lives, will be 17 in Feb. and I have been to ALL of his extra carricular activities and involved in his education since we found him! There is no reason to 'Completely abandon' anyone! (Of course he was told I abandoned him and we have worked through all of that as well).

      You just have to know how to love them from a distance and go to where they are without jeopardizing your family. There is a way to support someone with problems without enabling them. This is what I think is missing.

God bless you all, Lonnie , Minnesota

 

 

 

 

 
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