Topic : 12/04 Heroin Twins: The Intervention, Part 3

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Created on : Friday, December 01, 2006, 03:19:25 pm
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Dr. Phil continues his work with twin sisters who are addicted to heroin and crack cocaine and were spiraling out of control. A few days into her detox, Sarah begins to emerge from her haze of drug use and painful withdrawal symptoms. Is she committed to the work involved with getting clean? Dr. Phil questions their mother, Cindy, about her own history of alcohol use and how she is sabotaging Tecoa’s sobriety and the health of her unborn baby. Then, Dr. Phil tracks down the sisters’ long-lost stepfather, Perry. They say his disappearance from their lives played a significant role toward their decline into drug use and prostitution. How does Perry explain his absence from their lives, and does his appearance bring closure for Sarah and Tecoa? As the twins begin to take their first steps toward a new life, Dr. Phil informs them that their paths of sobriety will be separate. Will they agree to go to different rehab centers to learn how to stand on their own two feet? Share your thoughts here.

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December 4, 2006, 3:16 pm PST

I disagree

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I don't normally disagree with Dr. Phil but I was SOO mad today when he blamed everything on the father. He could have done a few things differently but the comment about once he had a biological daughter on the way he threw away the twins - what a joke! My sister has problems that our family has to in ways separate her. I have made the decision not to talk toyou to protect my son.

I wish everyone had such a perfect life, with perfect kids - he has no idea!! I'm so disappointed in him!

 I have to say, Dr Phil hit the nail on the head! At that point and time the girls were getting into trouble with delinquent behavior. I believe they were acting out as a direct result of the situation at hand. Dad married someone else,  having a new baby and living 1500 miles away! I am sorry, but that is a whole lot of change to handle even for an adult. I believe the mother (who by the way has accepted absolutly NO responsibility in any of this) contributed to the situation. The abandonment is real but it it not always one-sided. I thought the father and step mother were extremely selfish and judgemental.

     you said 'My sister has problems that our family has to in ways separate her.  I have made the decision not to talk toyou to protect my son'. 

     I had a son I had to place out of the home at the age of 10 because of his violent behavior. I NEVER gave up on him. We needed help and unfortunately the help ended in seperating him from myself and his siblings for several years! We did not have any contact what-so-ever for 2 and a half years! By the Grace of God, he is back in our lives, will be 17 in Feb. and I have been to ALL of his extra carricular activities and involved in his education since we found him! There is no reason to 'Completely abandon' anyone! (Of course he was told I abandoned him and we have worked through all of that as well).

      You just have to know how to love them from a distance and go to where they are without jeopardizing your family. There is a way to support someone with problems without enabling them. This is what I think is missing.

God bless you all, Lonnie , Minnesota

 

 

 

 

 
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December 4, 2006, 3:17 pm PST

"Drug Using"

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You know on this story I agree nodbody but the girls themselves put the needle in thier arm.  But maybe with a little more family support things would of been different.  Yes the girls can be mad at thier dad.  HE ADOPTED THEM they didnt adopt him.  He was thier father and he should of tried a little more with them.  But all he cared about at the time is his new family and bioloical child  .When they were underage the mother or father should of taken to the next level.  Like I said nobody is to blame but the girls themselves.  But family is family and things MAY have turned out different if they had a mother and father to turn to.  That is were a dorviced couple should think about when they have children.  They should put thier feelings aside and be civil to each other for the kids or at least until they are grown to young adults.  

I viewed the show today and it made me very upset.  Dr. Phil I love your shows...you have helped soooo many people and have changed soooo many lives, but the way you put the blame on the Step-Dad was not right.  These girls chose their way of life...they can't blame their father, mother or anyone else for that matter.  The first step of recovery is to admit that you are an addict,  admit to your wrong-doings and try to make ammends to everyone that you have hurt while in your addiction.  I'm a NA sponsor in Dallas...I know from experience and from the addicts I meet on a daily basis that everyone has a story to tell.  I myself used cocaine (snorted), smoked crack-cocaine and alcohol from 1985 when it hit Dallas hard until 1989.  I prayed to my God Jehovah and His Loving Son Jesus Christ to take that devil away from my life and He did!!!!  I wasn't finished with drugs though, I thought I could substitue one drug for another which was marijuana and alcohol.  I smoked blunt after blunt and drunked until I would pass-out.  It was only when I pray again to my God Jehovah and His Loving Son Jesus Christ to take all demons out of my life that I recovered.  I completely stop using all drugs (Alcohol is a DRUG) on November 5, 2005.  Today I'm drug free and currently sponsoring other addicts and praying everyday that all addicts be free from their addiction.  I can admit that drugs are terrible and they destroy lives.  I had a terrible childhood due to abuse by molestation.  Not from my Father, but by a family member.  My Father and Mother separated when I was 7yrs old, but I didn't blame my Father for anything, you live on and make something out of yourself for your family to be proud of.  Those girls are fooling you...it's sad but true.  I could tell after they seen their Father that they were very resentful toward him and they prey on your sympathy.  Drugs make you to be deceitful, liars, theives, envy, jealous, hateful & etc....any negative word that you can think of that's what drugs make you.  The Mother has her faults as well because she condoned it and was the enabler in the situation.  That why they love Mother soooo much!!!  How do we know that the Father probably notice the twin behavior change and tried to correct the problem and the Mother wouldn't allow his to??????
 
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December 4, 2006, 3:18 pm PST

12/04 Heroin Twins: The Intervention, Part 3

I feel really touched by this program and the problems the two sisters have had in there life !! I really look forward to the conculsion of this story and see how they made out !! I cant wait for an update on this story ......  Me myself Im a recovering addict and it isnt easy everyday is a struggle sum days I have to go MINUTE BY MINUTE to make it through !! The 2 sisters should be very grateful that they had Dr.Phil to help them through this time of struggle, I wasnt as fortunate and had plenty of releaspes. But through it all I manage to pull myself through. Just wanted to say THANKS for the insight.
 
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December 4, 2006, 3:21 pm PST

12/04 Heroin Twins: The Intervention, Part 3

well i dont know if my message posted but i dont c it
 
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December 4, 2006, 3:21 pm PST

dear twins

iam so in love with you guys i think about yall all the time,i have been watching the show for 3 weeks,iam so proud of  you guys please succeed in this part of your lifes,please i just love you guys you are in my heart and prayers.I have daughters your age and i could not imagine going thru what your 2 have gone thru,and as far as your dad sara said it perfectly your step dad is wripped .hang in there I cant wait to see what happens you can do it
 
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December 4, 2006, 3:23 pm PST

Blaming Others & Taking Responsibility...

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Boy I'm am really getting tired of hearing young and old people blaming  others for the choices they make be it good ones or bad. I don't know any one that had a " perfect childhood" I know I sure didn't I was sexually abused by a close relative but I never went to drugs or alcohol no I went on to make hard decisions in my life at 18 I ended up pregnant not married so in the 60's that was a no no so I thought long and hard to give her to a loving family. We are since reunited and only to find out her life was a fairy tale I'd thought she would have Thank God we now have each other and her 5 beautiful children and to the bastard she married he's in " a program" for spousal abuse what a crack that is he hit her and the kids broke her arm 2 months after giving birth to number 5. 2 months after that he stabbed her with a fork and blacken both eyes all with her in a full cast holding a 2 month old baby. As we are dealing with the after affects he's all comfy cozy in his rehab and out in under  10 months demanding his rights to see his kids 1 day a week. He hit them as well but because of deal making his 10 yr. felony was knocked down to 5 months in a country club. My daughter gets 1,000.00 a month from the state her rent for a 2 bedroom condo is 1400.00 guess who has to pick up the rest and only 500.00 in food stamps we live in CA and the cost of living is so high. Between running the kids to counseling and school and to the courts with gas at what it is you can guess what isn't being done for the true victims here. Now on to the drugs GIVE ME A BREAK PLEASE  I had my right arm ground off in a meat grinder in 76 but did I make the choice to sit back and say oh poor me .hell no I got married to a wonderful man helped him raise his 5 children and we were married to Christmas Day 1997 when he died at the foot of our bed in a massive heart attack and even then I never went to drugs or blame.

To this day I am disabled by a nerve disease that is very painful and I do need lots of pain medication to make it possible for me to do the things that need to be done. I should take 6 pills for pain a day but hey I have kids to feed clean up after and watch over so I stay in pain till they go to bed then I take my medication again no blame game things happen get over it I don't see Dr. Phil helping 5 young kids get over seeing their Mom hit many times by their Dad or the fact the the oldest at age 9 has already been kicked out of 1 school we are trying to do the best we can tell them they are loved and they can do anything and that they are special and none of this was there fault. CHOOSE PEOPLE WE HAVE FREE WILL MAKE THE RIGHT CHOSE.......CHOSE YOU CHILDREN CHOSE LOVE NOT BLAME CHOSE YOURSELF

MICHELLE

Michelle...

I could not agree w/you more in regard to  the trend that  our society  seems to have adopted when it comes to taking responsibilty for our actions.  I am under the impression that Dr. Phil feels that the stepfather of the twins should accept at least some of the responsibilty for the path that they chose.  Quite frankly...I was surprised by this, as there are many abandoned children in this world who did not choose the path that they travelled.  Furthermore...I really cannot find any circumstance that justifies injecting toxic substances into a perfectly healthy body or prostituting oneself to pay for it!  Personally...I do not feel that the stepfather should be held responsible for any of their very, very poor choices.

The reason for my response to your particular post; however, are the circumstances surrounding your daughter & the choices that SHE made.  While her situation is far & away from that of the twins...I find that your position regarding your daughter & grandchildren warrants the same consideration that you gave to the twins' stepfather. 

Your daughter chose to marry an abuser.  Worse yet...she chose to bring 5 (NOT 1 or 2) innocent 'victims', as you describe them, into this world!  She also chooses to live in an area that is known for it's 'high cost of living' issues.

Now...your position appears to be that she is not receiving enough from the 'State' ~ might I add...in the form of hand-outs for choices that SHE made!  Are you saying that the good citizens of California are responsible for your daughter's actions/choices...but the stepfather of the twins has no responsibilty in regard to their plight?

As per your message, it is my understanding that you are assisting in the care of your 5 grandchildren?  Therefore, your daughter has not only held the California taxpayers responsible for her actions...she is holding you responsible, as well. 

Moreover, what about holding the father of your grandchildren responsible for their care?

Yes, I also agree w/you when you speak of free will.  But...tell me...does this also not apply to your daughter?

Dana.
 
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December 4, 2006, 3:23 pm PST

Heroin Twins

Watching all three episodes showed me that the world of addiction is the same ass when I was out there. I am very proud of these girls for start the road to their new life drug free. i know they can do it as long as the put their heart  in it and really want it for them selves. i am so very proud eben though i don't personaly know them we have a connection. I am boing on two years recovery and this has been the best two years i have had in a long time. Sarah & Tecoa I know this is what you want and with all the support they have they will make it.

                                                                                                                        Hang in there Crisa Kim

 
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December 4, 2006, 3:23 pm PST

AMEN!!!!!

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Run in such a way to get the prize. (1 cor 9:24). The girls are taking responsibility. Maybe for the first time. We have all had our hearts broken for one reason or another. The paths we take will not all be the same. there are too many variables that make up a person and the choices they will make. But TODAY, they have been given hope and help. They will receive tools that they had not before possessed. And they can become amazing human beings. I for one support them. I used heroin and cocaine for many yrs. I did all the same dirt they did. I have been hospitalized several times. Suicide attempts. complete void of hope. This is not the life these girls wanted for themselves. They had dreams like everyonwe else. I will be praying for them. I now have a sweet life. I have 3 beautiful children, I am married to a wonderful man of God. I am a leader in m y church. I now help other people who want to recover from drugs. My life has been So blessed. I threw away any guilt or shame from the past. Realizing it was only a cancer in my life to allow those feeelings. Regret, sure. These girls are precious. they just need to learn that themselves. And hopefully one day soon, They too will have an awesome testimony and pass it on. This time will onyl become a reference point in their lives. They have to face their demons head on, and keep their eyes on the prize. They will have to reach down deep inside for the soldier in themselves, and battle up. Because this will be a war for their very lives. They can come out victorious. It is not the size of the dog inthe fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.

You took the words right away from my keyboard! (Smile).  I too am clean and have a wonderful life! I will be graduating college in June 07! I have a good relationship with Jesus, I am blessed with well balanced children in spite of their childhood. I am single and I know God will provide a good man of God to be my partner. God bless you, Lonnie O'Neill St.Cloud, Minnesota
 
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December 4, 2006, 3:28 pm PST

The Stepdad is kind of a jerk

When I saw today's show, I felt really bad for the girls.  The guy just had this "Who Cares if my decisions hurt someone else" attitude.  His wife is definitely the dominant one in that relationship, but she was just really selfish and encouraged her husband to abandon them.  She should have set aside a specific visiting time for the girls for their father even if she didn't want anything to do with them.  That would have been the responsible thing to do.  No wonder their self esteem was shot, she basically told them they didn't deserve a dad.  Anyway, I think today really helped them see what a loser he is and was very cathartic in helping them see that.  I got the impression that they were over a big hump- they seemed receptive to help and I think they'll do very well.
 
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December 4, 2006, 3:31 pm PST

Way to Go!!

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You took the words right away from my keyboard! (Smile).  I too am clean and have a wonderful life! I will be graduating college in June 07! I have a good relationship with Jesus, I am blessed with well balanced children in spite of their childhood. I am single and I know God will provide a good man of God to be my partner. God bless you, Lonnie O'Neill St.Cloud, Minnesota

That is really inspirational and I pray that God will walk with you always. God bless.

 

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