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Topic : 12/04 Heroin Twins: The Intervention, Part 3

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Created on : Friday, December 01, 2006, 03:19:25 pm
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Dr. Phil continues his work with twin sisters who are addicted to heroin and crack cocaine and were spiraling out of control. A few days into her detox, Sarah begins to emerge from her haze of drug use and painful withdrawal symptoms. Is she committed to the work involved with getting clean? Dr. Phil questions their mother, Cindy, about her own history of alcohol use and how she is sabotaging Tecoa’s sobriety and the health of her unborn baby. Then, Dr. Phil tracks down the sisters’ long-lost stepfather, Perry. They say his disappearance from their lives played a significant role toward their decline into drug use and prostitution. How does Perry explain his absence from their lives, and does his appearance bring closure for Sarah and Tecoa? As the twins begin to take their first steps toward a new life, Dr. Phil informs them that their paths of sobriety will be separate. Will they agree to go to different rehab centers to learn how to stand on their own two feet? Share your thoughts here.

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December 4, 2006, 6:50 pm PST

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 FIRST OF ALL, I DO HAVE A YOUNG DAUGHTER TO LOOK OUT FOR!! AND SECONDLY HE WASNT THEIR ' STEP DAD 'HE ADDOPTED THEM. DOES THIS MEAN NOTHING?  AND THEY HAVE CRITSIZED THEIR MOTHER (WHICH IS EASIER TO DO SINCE SHE WES THE ONLY ONE AROUND TO BLAME)   AND HELD BOTH GIRLS RESPONSIBLE ASWELL.  THE FACT IS HE DID PLAY A ROLE IN THIS.  IF I HAD 2 DAUGHTERS IN TROUBLE (WHICH HE DID HAVE, BECAUSE HE LEGALLY AND SPIRITUALLY ADDOPTED THEM FOR BETTER OR WORSE)  I WOULDNT CUT THEM OFF IN FEAR OF THEM HURTING MY NEW DAGHTER ( WHICH I DO HAVE) FAMILY IS FAMILY AND THEY STICK TOGETHER REGARDLESS OF WHAT PROBLEMS OCCUR. YOU DONT CHOOSE ONE CHILDS WELL BEING OVER ANOTHER ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY WERE ONLY 12 AND WERE HIS KIDS BIOLOGICALLY OR NOT, HE CHOSE TO ADOPT THEM.  AND I WOULD NEVER ABANDON ANY OF MY CHILDREN BECAUSE I CARED MORE ABOUT THE NEW ONE. LOTS OF PEOPLE HAVE BIG FAMILIES SOME KIDS WITH PROBLEMS AND SOME WITHOUT, YET THEY DONT CHOOSE THEIR GOOD KIDS OVER THEIR DIFFICULT ONES. DONT YOU SEE THAT IT DIDNT REALLY MATER. HE WANTED HIS NEW FAMILY AND DIDNT WANT TO RISE UP TO THE CHALENGE OF BEING A REAL RESPONSIBLE DAD WHICH HE WAS  SUPPOSE TO BE THEIR DAD( I GUESS UNTIL HE FELT LIKE IT WHICH IS NOT THE DEFINITION OF ADOPTION).  AND NO ONE IS STRICTLY BLAMING HIM, YET EVERYONE PLAYED A PART IN THEIR LIVES AND SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE JUST LIKE THE TWINS AND THEIR MOTHER ARE!   
Yes being a step father does meen something, but so does being biological where ever he is. I never said it was alright for him to totally cut his ties and act the way that he did. But some people don't know how to handle certain situations. He offered the girls to come live with him full time. He gave him a chance they didn't take it, he shouldn't of totally turned his back but obviosly thats the only way that he knew how to deal with the situation. I just was replying to the fact that you are totally outraged that the dad did that. Ya that will make a big difference in a childs life but so will having a mom obviously not caring as much or not disipling the kids as much as she should have. I know it isn't easy being a single mom but thats ridiculos 15 years old and doing heroin where was she, if she felt like she needed help and thought that the dad could help why didn't she just call him. I don't know I just don't think that it is fair to just blame the step dad or adoptive dad. ya he wasn't there all the time but the mom was and she saw everything going on.
 
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December 4, 2006, 6:51 pm PST

YOU BOTH CAN DO IT!

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Dr. Phill you deserve a medal for what you've done for these girls.  I know you do not help people for the praise it can bring you but, in this case, you really do deserve a magnitude of praise.  The value of the work you have done to help these two young ladies is immense. 

 

It broke my heart to see the depths of dispair the girls were in and gave me great joy to see them reach a positive turning point.  They both seemed so eager to do well in rehab and to embark upon a path to a better life.

 

To Sarah and Tecoa, I wish you both all the strength and courage you will need to get through this very difficult time in your lives.   

I couldn't agree more. I think that Dr. Phil has saved these young ladie's lives. I just sat and cried today as I watched the girls so excitedly go off to rehab in expectation of turning that very difficult corner and really start to learn how to live happy and productive lives.

 

To Sarah and Tecoa, I also wish you both the very best (although you already have that in Dr. Phil). As you went off in the separate cars today, I said a prayer for you both to give you all of the support that you will need to get through this. As Sarah said though, I think that the worst is over. Now you'll just have to learn how to keep it that way, and I know that you can do it! Even after everything that you have been through, I can tell that you are both wonderful young women. You have many people pulling for you out here! I will continue to send prayers, warm thoughts, and support your way! YOU BOTH CAN DO IT! I have complete confidence in you!

 

Jen

 
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December 4, 2006, 6:53 pm PST

Divorced Dads

I thought they were very hard on the "Step" father, they kept calling him that even though he legally adopted the girls.  In the state that I live in after a divorce the non custodial/ non residential parent has "rights" & "responsibilities".  Rights are the designated visitation times and responsibilites are the support payments.  That is all!  All decisions related to the raising of the child belongs with the custodial/residential parent.  If that parent chooses to discuss issues with the paying parent that is their decision but they don't have to disclose anything.  Supposedly the paying parent has rights to medical information and such but that is very hard to get if the residential parent chooses not to disclose the doctor's name.  If you can get shared parenting then everything is open to both but that is only given when both parents agree on that at the time of divorce.  My point in this is that from personal experience, you can only do just so much when you have no control.  I'm sure the "Step" father made his share of mistakes but if the mother wasn't cooperating and might have been contributing to the problems in the making what do you do?  Unfortunately divorced Dads feel no other option than to check out.

 
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December 4, 2006, 6:53 pm PST

We all make choices

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Boy I'm am really getting tired of hearing young and old people blaming  others for the choices they make be it good ones or bad. I don't know any one that had a " perfect childhood" I know I sure didn't I was sexually abused by a close relative but I never went to drugs or alcohol no I went on to make hard decisions in my life at 18 I ended up pregnant not married so in the 60's that was a no no so I thought long and hard to give her to a loving family. We are since reunited and only to find out her life was a fairy tale I'd thought she would have Thank God we now have each other and her 5 beautiful children and to the bastard she married he's in " a program" for spousal abuse what a crack that is he hit her and the kids broke her arm 2 months after giving birth to number 5. 2 months after that he stabbed her with a fork and blacken both eyes all with her in a full cast holding a 2 month old baby. As we are dealing with the after affects he's all comfy cozy in his rehab and out in under  10 months demanding his rights to see his kids 1 day a week. He hit them as well but because of deal making his 10 yr. felony was knocked down to 5 months in a country club. My daughter gets 1,000.00 a month from the state her rent for a 2 bedroom condo is 1400.00 guess who has to pick up the rest and only 500.00 in food stamps we live in CA and the cost of living is so high. Between running the kids to counseling and school and to the courts with gas at what it is you can guess what isn't being done for the true victims here. Now on to the drugs GIVE ME A BREAK PLEASE  I had my right arm ground off in a meat grinder in 76 but did I make the choice to sit back and say oh poor me .hell no I got married to a wonderful man helped him raise his 5 children and we were married to Christmas Day 1997 when he died at the foot of our bed in a massive heart attack and even then I never went to drugs or blame.

To this day I am disabled by a nerve disease that is very painful and I do need lots of pain medication to make it possible for me to do the things that need to be done. I should take 6 pills for pain a day but hey I have kids to feed clean up after and watch over so I stay in pain till they go to bed then I take my medication again no blame game things happen get over it I don't see Dr. Phil helping 5 young kids get over seeing their Mom hit many times by their Dad or the fact the the oldest at age 9 has already been kicked out of 1 school we are trying to do the best we can tell them they are loved and they can do anything and that they are special and none of this was there fault. CHOOSE PEOPLE WE HAVE FREE WILL MAKE THE RIGHT CHOSE.......CHOSE YOU CHILDREN CHOSE LOVE NOT BLAME CHOSE YOURSELF

MICHELLE

I know that you always hear of addicts wanting to blame others, but for most addicts there has been some sort of trauma in their life that has attributed to their use.  My brother-in-law, father of three kids, was a meth user who has been clean for a couple of months.  Nobody really knows what this puts a family through until you are there.  As for your daughter, I feel bad that she was abused by her partner and the father of her kids, but she made a choice to not only stay with him but also to have as many children as she did.  Do people think that after the first time a spouse hits that will be the last?  Most of the time that is just the first sign that there is more to come, but your daughter stayed and had more children and now she is on assistance which is funded by taxpayers.  Don't you think that maybe after the first two and he was abusive that maybe she should have not had anymore with this guy?  As far as his sentence, that is the good ole justice system today.
 
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December 4, 2006, 6:54 pm PST

re: chipping

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what is chippin
Chipping is injecting a drug just under the skin as opposed to directly into a vein. Some addicts resort to this method after long-time abuse because eventually their veins will collapse and they can no longer inject into the vein.
 
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December 4, 2006, 6:59 pm PST

You said it!

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Mom made huge mistakes and she has plenty to be sorry for but Dad just doesn't care enough. I have a daughter and I can't imagine her Father or I EVER saying " There was just nothing I could do" If his wife would shut up and let him decide what he wanted he might do something right and show them the love a Father should. I feel sorry for his young daughter as well I would be ashamed to find out that my Father treated his children that way.
As DR. phil says the best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour. I am amazed at how many women will stand back and watch a man abandon his CHILDREN and not consider the fact that this person has a big problem with committment and not very strong emotional ties to those he professes to love.Of, course, with THEM its ALWAYS different,(so I hear)
 
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December 4, 2006, 7:02 pm PST

12/04 Heroin Twins: The Intervention, Part 3

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 HE DIDNT KNOW HOW FAR THEY WERE INTO DRUGS BECAUSE HE DIDNT CALL OR WRITE. HE CUT THEM OUT AS SOON AS THEY BECAME A BURDEN CHOOSING HIS NEW FAMILY OVER HIS DAUGHTERS. AND YOU DONT THINK HE HAS SOME OWNERSHIP IN THIS.  HOW SELFISH CAN HE BE . I AM JUST SORRY HIM AND THAT PHONEY WFE OF HIS DIDNT GET IT MORE. AND EVEN WHEN HE DID FIND OUT HE STILL REFUSSED TO HELP SAVE THEIR LIVES!!
Hello............wake up people! DId you here the mom questioning the daughters adter they met with their Dad. Can you imagine how she has brainwashed them. Can you imagine trying to be a good divorced parent with the other parent working totally against you. I do not blame the man at all. He told the girls when they were 12 they could come live with him,. but they had to follow his rules. Well...........wonder why now. Do you want these two girlos coming over to corrupt your family. This man would have no chance at happiness with his bitter ex-wife causing trouble through the twins.
 
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December 4, 2006, 7:04 pm PST

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As DR. phil says the best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour. I am amazed at how many women will stand back and watch a man abandon his CHILDREN and not consider the fact that this person has a big problem with committment and not very strong emotional ties to those he professes to love.Of, course, with THEM its ALWAYS different,(so I hear)
Dr. Phil, it seems like the twins are really excited about rehab.  I hope so!  The one of Sara where she is totally spaced is very disturbing.  You do such great things, Dr. Phil, I am a faithful watcher of your show.  I think you are the best and I do hope that Sara and Tecoa make it!!
 
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December 4, 2006, 7:08 pm PST

The father does need to be blamed.

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Who said they needed to be around the other child. How is walking away doing everything you can. These are two of the coldest people I have ever seen. I would jump in front of a bus to save my child and he won't take a chance at upsetting his life.

Father and I say father not step father or adopted father because when he adopted them he takes the place of the the absent birth father should hold much blame on his shoulders.  What he did was very very wrong. HIs and his wife excuse is that they did not want the girls to be around his daughter.......did you get that not his OTHER daughter but in his words his daughter.  Who says you can't get in your car and go see them or even pick up the phone and call even if your new wife does not like it? I speak from experience. I did not adopt my step-daughter but, even after I divorced my husband still was a huge part of her life and still am! I would till this day take a bullet for her and she was not a easy child to love and was in much trouble but, she needed me and I was there.  I am sick with all the treads saying that poor father.

 

 

IF you dont want to step in crap walk around it you dont have to trun around!

 

 

 

 

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December 4, 2006, 7:14 pm PST

Velvet Hammer

Did Dr. Phil forget his velvet hammer today?    How could he let the twins mom off without a fight.   Dont you think she needs an intervention herself?   Why not send all 3 to separate treatment centers.   Maybe he has something else in mind and does not want to upset the apple cart----but that woman is destructive.

 

While I initially felt those stuffed animals an inappropriate gift for teens with that much baggage, I liked what the sentiment behind them was.

 

Did your blood boil like mine when mom blamed step dad for abandoning them.   It was wrong wrong wrong to leave them like that, but it seems he thought he was doing the best he could with what he had.   Mom was the true abandoning person-she knew what was happening and sat there and let it happen.   She could have, and should have called in the troops, including dad to help her save them years ago.

 

Nice to see the girls getting happy and looking good today.

 

 

 
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