Topic : 12/04 Heroin Twins: The Intervention, Part 3

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Dr. Phil continues his work with twin sisters who are addicted to heroin and crack cocaine and were spiraling out of control. A few days into her detox, Sarah begins to emerge from her haze of drug use and painful withdrawal symptoms. Is she committed to the work involved with getting clean? Dr. Phil questions their mother, Cindy, about her own history of alcohol use and how she is sabotaging Tecoa’s sobriety and the health of her unborn baby. Then, Dr. Phil tracks down the sisters’ long-lost stepfather, Perry. They say his disappearance from their lives played a significant role toward their decline into drug use and prostitution. How does Perry explain his absence from their lives, and does his appearance bring closure for Sarah and Tecoa? As the twins begin to take their first steps toward a new life, Dr. Phil informs them that their paths of sobriety will be separate. Will they agree to go to different rehab centers to learn how to stand on their own two feet? Share your thoughts here.

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December 5, 2006, 6:24 pm PST

12/04 Heroin Twins: The Intervention, Part 3

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I wonder if you were a Captain on a ship, would you be the first on the life boat or remain on the ship.  That speaks of character.  I pretty much know my answer to that so don't try to answer.

 

Perry already had an immediate family.  I think that most of his decisions are made for him. 

 

Now I don't know Cindy nor do I know where the biological father is, but what I do know is that Cindy made mistakes and is facing them.  Who knows if she ever would have if Joani didn't get those girls on the Dr. Phil show.  It's really not a point now.

 

There fate was to drift to the Dr. Phil House and hopefully have a new beginning.  I don't believe that Perry was ever on the same boat at all.

 I feel for these girls, I used drugs when I was younger but not to that extreme. I do feel more for sarah. She has more then just a drug addiction. Her soul is dead. Sarah and Tacoa need prayers and unconditoinal LOVE and UNDERSTANDING.
 
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December 5, 2006, 6:27 pm PST

12/04 Heroin Twins: The Intervention, Part 3

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I wonder if you were a Captain on a ship, would you be the first on the life boat or remain on the ship.  That speaks of character.  I pretty much know my answer to that so don't try to answer.

 

Perry already had an immediate family.  I think that most of his decisions are made for him. 

 

Now I don't know Cindy nor do I know where the biological father is, but what I do know is that Cindy made mistakes and is facing them.  Who knows if she ever would have if Joani didn't get those girls on the Dr. Phil show.  It's really not a point now.

 

There fate was to drift to the Dr. Phil House and hopefully have a new beginning.  I don't believe that Perry was ever on the same boat at all.

  1. I would like to have seen more of what happened in the interview and heard more about what really happened.  Perry and Rene could not be totally active in the raising if the lived over a thousand miles away and expected to help over the phone only and may not have been given all of the important information. Abandonment issues were probably there prior to Perry's involvement in theie lives.  Cindy need to get a grip on her ownership and she will be put to the wall in rehab I am sure. I think if Perry was able to raise the girls in a structured envionment as opposed to a "just what teenagers do" environment things may or may not have changed.  Isn't it nice we can all judge what we would do in that situation especially when we haven't been there or been emotionally beaten by an ex.  I have been there with an adoptive son who was abusive to me and my biological children.  I assure you, not allowing this behavior into your house and wanting to help are not easy decisions, but necessary. My ex abandoned his children ten years ago--I have never said anything bad about him to by children and raise them in structure and love.  Neither one of them are drug addicts or alcoholics---people need to stop the blame game and reclaim their life.
  2. I hope the twins succeed. but Cindy better stop sabotaging their effort.
 
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December 5, 2006, 6:37 pm PST

12/04 Heroin Twins: The Intervention, Part 3

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He did not, nor did his new wife want the twins to live with them during their addiction. 

 

The authoritative figure, the new wife, made it clear that they did not want that influence on their child.  Perry concurred.

 

IF I ever divorced my husband, after 20 years of marriage, I--and I know he would do the same--would stay in close proximity so that our children can have the benefit of having both of us in their lives.  And please, do not come back with employment opportunities elsewhere.  If you really want something bad enough, especially for the well being of your children, you make it happen.  Divorce is ugly enough without having a parent figure living so far away.  If Perry was such a stand up guy, his full responsibility would have been to stay closer to the twins he chose to adopt-twins he chose to be a Father to. 

 

He tried and was refused "plain and simple".  I certainly hope that when he tries to offer any help to his new child that he doesn't plain and simply sit down since he's such a stand up guy.

Boy, two years of marriage versus twenty years---big difference.  Maybe you should consider Perry may have been transferred and needed the job---not because he was running but he was supporting the twins financially also.  I am sure Perry and Rene are doing a great job raising their child as they can provide the structure which was denied by the twins mother.
 
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December 5, 2006, 6:51 pm PST

nobody's life is perfect

I am 42, mother of an 18 and 22 year old. I am married and he is the father of my 2 children. My life before I was married was very very tough.. I am adopted, my father cheated on my mother, my mother was an alcoholic, my Dad ignored all of us as he was to busy with his own life. My brother was and still is addicted to crack, and I never know from day to day when he will fall down in that deep hole again. My mother would have alcoholic ceasures, and I would ride alone in the ambulance to the hospital with her, and call a neighbor at 12,13, 14 and on for a ride home to an empty house, until someone would come stay with me. This went on for years....My point is- Nobody has the perfect life,  blaming a stepfather who adopted you has some merit,

but not fully. Everyone, no mater what age, can blame someone else for why they make terrible mistakes in thier lives. The day you own your own mistakes, and look yourself in the mirror and own yourself and your actions is the day you can begin to move on. For me, all those terible things in my life, gave me so much strength to want so much more for myself and the children I have. There life is great, and I have a wonderful husband, but never once have I hidden the truth from them. I know that knowing , hearing, and seeing for themselves the destruction in my family can make them learn to accept that people are human, and not to follow down one of those dark dark roads. I can only hope for my kids that they never encounter the pain that myself and all of those who have addicts in thier lives will never feel that pain.I wish the twins healing and day to day hope to make the right choices and own them. They deserve a good new life and a future. Do not put all of the blame on the stepfather, on the Mom, where is thier real Dad? Abandonment and rejection does cause alot of pain, and these girls are lucky that a stranger cared more for them to make the right call over their own family. Good luck to Sarah and Tecoa and to a new better future. Each day is about making choices, good or bad, and only that girl in the mirror can make the choices for you now. I hope that they will be strong and get the knowledge and tools to make better choices everyday.

Dr. Phil is a wonderful person to put these type of stories on his show, real people with real problems. He follows through with his words, and help, and not just a story to make a buck.

If we had more shows and people like Dr. Phil, this world would be a better place.

 
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December 5, 2006, 6:53 pm PST

The reality is....

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about the facts. PERRY abandoned two children BEFORE there was a 'wife and daughter' The difficult situation was created by two ADULTS long before the kids got into difficulty. The means do not justify the end. IF this man had the guts to stand up and act like a decent human being, he could have, at any time along this journey, tried on his own to help these girls but instead, he chose to abandon them. He could have done it wihout 'involving' them with the new fruit of his precious loins.AS one pointed out earlier, since when is it right to abandon one child for another? I certainly am glad that I don't live in a  situation where it's okay to take that kind of selfish stance that leaves bodies scattered along the way.

Tragically, there is nothing Perry could have done to stop these twins.  When your mother supplies you with alcohol and allows you to experiment ("all teenagers do") then the horse is out of the barn.  If I had been in his shoes, I would have done the same thing. 

 

Frankly, the financial toll of trying to reverse custody when the children would prefer to stay with an enabling parent would have driven him into bankruptcy and the twins would have stayed with their mother. 

 

Emotionally, why would any parent subject themselves to the pain and heartache of seeing two young girls head down a horrible path when there isn't a thing you can do about it? 

 

I have a stepdaughter that makes horrible decisions (she's 27) and I refuse to be wrapped up along with her.  I state my peace, make my point, and if she still can't see the obvious, well then, let me know how you are after this little self-inflicted drama is over. 

 

Please.... where is it written that you have to destroy your life or you're not a dutiful, loving or caring parent!  Yeah, you need a reality check. 

 
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December 5, 2006, 7:45 pm PST

good-bye daddy

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The story of these 2 gilrs has touched me deeply! So, deeply in fact, I was inspired to write this "poem of healing" for them. I hope that they will read this & that it will in some way help their helaing process!!! 

 

                          Melody

 

Good-Bye Daddy

 

 

 

 

When you said you were my Daddy, I thought that meant forever,

I thought that was through thick & thin & any kind of weather

 

All I ever wanted was for you to be by my side

So when you left I cried

 

I tried so hard to fight the pain

But it ran so deep, I felt insane

 

When drugs first were offered, I wanted to say no

But the promise of no pain, made me take a go..

 

I thought the pain was over, but it had only just begun

It would take years for me to realize what I had actually done

 

The pain I caused my loved ones, I did not mean to reap,

The never ending nightmare, wouldnt allow me to sleep

 

The unconditional love I craved, I still could not find

The needles & the pills consumed my struggling mind

 

At this point, I gave up on caring about myself

About my looks, my feelings, my heart & my health

 

It all belong to the drugs, the seemed to mask my pain

But all those ugly lies, were only in my brain

 

The reality of the hurt you caused, was still staring me in the face

It seemed that nothing or no one could ever take your place

 

I thought if you saw me hurting, you would come & rescue me

But that was just a fairy tale, that was never meant to be

 

I am on the path to healing now,

I know Im going to make it, although Im not sure how

 

I think it starts with loving me, the way you never could,

You didnt know how to help me like a Daddy should

 

But in my path to healing, I will learn to forgive

Because I know deep down, it is the only way to live

 

Holding all this hate, inside me,

Will never let me see, all that I can truly be

 

I know that deep inside me I have to let you go

But these are just a few things, I needed you to know

 

I am in the process of releasing you from my heart,

But in all the work I need to do this is just the start

 

I am building a new home for me to live

Where, love, hope & happiness, are always there to give

 

I know that I will be ok

And live to love another Day

 

 

 

 WOW that is the story of my life. That is a beautiful and strong poem, thank you for sharing that......
 
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December 5, 2006, 7:48 pm PST

not on twin's side

I did not like the fact that the Dr. Phil show allowed the twins to make fun of the gifts that Rene gave them.  Maybe the stuffed animals were a little juvenile, but she gave them to the girls with a good heart.  I think that part could have been left out of the show .  I also think that the twins are bullies and would have been extremely difficult to deal with when they were together. 

I don't think that Perry should have cut off all contact with them, although I can understand why he did it.  I do understand Perry and Rene's concern for their child.  As I said, these girls are bullies and would have found ways to aggravate or hurt the child to get back at their father.

I don't understand why Dr. Phil has been so considerate of Cindy's feelings.  She is a neglectant parent and there is no way she could not know what was going on with these girls.  She did not intervene to stop it or get help from the many agencies that could have given it.  She tries to put the blame on the father and not own her part in this problem.  I really think that Sarah, Tecoa and Cindy are all pretending to be nice and cooperative at this point, but we will see what they are made of  when they are separated to go to rehab.

 
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December 5, 2006, 7:58 pm PST

The stepfather

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I know I'm a bit slow here, but where I come from, when a stepfather elects to adopt the child or children, he assumes the role of the father, with all its ups and downs.  He legally ceases to be the stepfather and could have been forced to pay child support.  I think this expands his responsibility greatly.  He is the legal father and had no right to make the choices he did.   You can't love kids when they are little, cute and adorable then take off when they learn to get in trouble.  While there is ample blame for all in this situation, I place a great deal of the blame on him.  He decided to be their legal parent.  Having done that, he can't later say "...just kidding!". 
 You are very right....But it happens alot more than people think, the sad thing is you can't make them be apart of your life if they don't want to
 
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December 5, 2006, 11:33 pm PST

Okay...

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I guess some viewers think that Dr. Phil just fell off a @$&#!? turnip truck. 

 

He has Cindy's number as well as the great Perry and Co.

 

Those girls were already betrayed by Perry - their father figure.  Yes and Cindy will not win Mother of the year either, but the twins need her.  I'm quite sure that she will be in some type of therapy, it's the only way or the girls will fail.

 

If there were no cameras on the "reunion with Perry", I would guess that there probably would have been some fussing going on.

 

As far as "trash talking" -- Cindy being the ex --  I think it's human nature to be curious.  The twins seemed to speak of their free will. 

 

Yes and Godspeed those girls mother too. 

No need for hostility. I'm entitled to my opinion and if you don't like it, too bad.
 
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December 6, 2006, 12:30 am PST

Thanks for the story of the 2 wolves.

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Wow, I read your whole post and glad you are enjoying a wonderful life in a beautiful place. I love the story of the 2 wolves. I understand alcohol addiction but didn't understand heroin addiction until I read how you described the euphoria and "down"effect  or numbness. Also, that you always have to take just a little more to get the same effect as you go on. I had heard that you don't have withdrawal the first few weeks so people think it is OK but by the time you try to quit, you are already addicted and have bad withdrawal symptoms after only 8 weeks of using even . I don't know if this is true but it sounds like it overpowers people very quickly and then just doesn't let go. Thanks for the post.

I also read your entire post.  Thanks for writing.  I liked your story so much I forwarded it to my teenage son.  I love the analogy the story presents.  We can all use a bit of guidance from time to time.  Thanks for your input;  I live in Maryland. and have followed the twins story in our local paper (The Capital, in Annapolis), since last summer.  I hope they will continue to get well and move on with their lives in a positve way.  I don't want to participate in the blame game that other's are writing about.  We all have our reasons for making decisions in life; good and bad.  We all have our demons, and angels.  How we choose to go forward and make each day better is more important to me than placing blame.  As long as there is growth on the part of the mom, Cindy and no more co-dependence, she too can heal and be a positive support for the twins.  I hope she will get some guidance from Dr. Phil to deal with her own personal issues so that she can succeed in the most important after-care portion of the twins intervention. 

Take care and God Bless you for sharing your time and thoughts.  It was refreshing to see a positive ending to a tragic story. 

 

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