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Topic : 12/04 Heroin Twins: The Intervention, Part 3

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Dr. Phil continues his work with twin sisters who are addicted to heroin and crack cocaine and were spiraling out of control. A few days into her detox, Sarah begins to emerge from her haze of drug use and painful withdrawal symptoms. Is she committed to the work involved with getting clean? Dr. Phil questions their mother, Cindy, about her own history of alcohol use and how she is sabotaging Tecoa’s sobriety and the health of her unborn baby. Then, Dr. Phil tracks down the sisters’ long-lost stepfather, Perry. They say his disappearance from their lives played a significant role toward their decline into drug use and prostitution. How does Perry explain his absence from their lives, and does his appearance bring closure for Sarah and Tecoa? As the twins begin to take their first steps toward a new life, Dr. Phil informs them that their paths of sobriety will be separate. Will they agree to go to different rehab centers to learn how to stand on their own two feet? Share your thoughts here.

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December 5, 2006, 5:23 pm PST

All I can say is.

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Ditto.  Although I think that it was a good idea for the girls to confront their father as they obviously have a whole host of issues with abandonment, I'm surprised at the lengths that Dr. Phil went to be sure he felt guilty.  Mom was the one who raised them after dad left and played a far bigger role in the path those girls took.  And to say that they were doing normal teenage things is just passing the buck.  She did not do her job as a parent in recognizing the problem. 

 

I by no means condone dad leaving the situation.  But that is not why the girls ended up where they did.  In fact, I was almost offended by the blame being put on him.  My biological father and mother abandoned me, although at different times.  I, too, have abondonment issues but I turned out completely different.  I made something of myself and have a successful and happy career, marriage and family.  No thanks to my parents.  I made my own choices.  I chose to rise above what my parents laid out for me.

 

I'm impressed with the work that Dr. Phil has done with them and I wish them well in their recovery.  Hopefully, at some point, they will realize that they need to "own" their behaviour and stop trying to blame others.

Amen!!!!!
 
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December 5, 2006, 5:32 pm PST

What Is Harsh About It?

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You two might have had tough times, but you had really good coping mechanisms.  Just because you had a lot of hard stuff thrust on you doesn't mean another person has the same strength.  I'm not saying they don't own anything in their decision to get lit.  I can relate to the low self-esteem issues in childhood and how they can make you feel really worthless and suicidal.  I can see how someone could turn to drugs to drown out the pain (like cutting for someone with an anxiety disorder).

OF COURSE, the Stepdad DID have some ownership in this because the girls already had some abandonment issues from the biological father bailing out on them, but once they weren't "cute" anymore he did the same thing to them-jerk.

Just like the dangerous doody-head your daughter thought would be a good dad.  He's got quite a bit of ownership into smacking around innocent children-that really screws people up.  He's got some kind of control issue and its HIS responsibility to admit that and get help-not the kids ownership that their dad abuses them-Last time I checked there was no circumstance that justifies abandoning OR abusing your kids.  THAT's screwed up!

You need to get some help, lady, because sooner or later, whatever's bubbling beneath the surface, the abuse, the arm, whatever- is going to find a way to peek its head out (repression).

 

It makes me so mad that people blame the victim when they really ARE victims! Unbelievable!  Is it the victims fault when they're stabbed, beat up, shot at?  Heck no!    Go back and take a course in psychology at the community college, because youre really far off base!

 

I don't believe that I mentioned hard times in my past, if you are referring to me.  I also do not recall mentioning having 'good coping mechanisms'.  However, you may not be referiring to me.  I am not certain.

If the twins refused to live by the rules of the Stepfather & his new wife...I do not find fault w/his decision, especially in light of the fact that he had a very young, impressionable daughter in the household at the time.  I am fully aware of the 'antics', as well as the dangers of a drug addict & would not welcome one in my home...with or w/o a child already present in my home.

That being said...the whole point to my reply to the original poster was that I completely agreed w/her regarding the position that our society seems to have taken when it comes to accepting responsibilty for one's actions.  Being held accountable is something that is quickly becoming foreign to our culture.  The original poster pointed out that the twins were not accepting responsibility for their behavior; however, she thought nothing of society paying the price for her daughter's very poor choices in regard to bearing 5 children to an abusive, drug-addicted dolt!

If you are referring to me 'blaming the victim'...let me assure you that you must have misunderstood.  The 5 children are the innocent 'prisoners' of this woman & her idiot husband.  However...this woman repeatedly made the CHOICE to bring 5 INNOCENT children into a very toxic, unhealthy environment.  Then she turns around & expects that the good citizens of California pay for her actions!  The original poster was speaking w/a forked tongue, as it were.

Again...if you are referring to me in regard to college psychology...my accomplishments are far beyond that.  And...yes...if you CHOOSE to remain in an abusive relationship...you deserve what you get.  The children OTOH...certainly do not!

Dana.
 
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December 5, 2006, 6:01 pm PST

12/04 Heroin Twins: The Intervention, Part 3

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Boy I'm am really getting tired of hearing young and old people blaming  others for the choices they make be it good ones or bad. I don't know any one that had a " perfect childhood" I know I sure didn't I was sexually abused by a close relative but I never went to drugs or alcohol no I went on to make hard decisions in my life at 18 I ended up pregnant not married so in the 60's that was a no no so I thought long and hard to give her to a loving family. We are since reunited and only to find out her life was a fairy tale I'd thought she would have Thank God we now have each other and her 5 beautiful children and to the bastard she married he's in " a program" for spousal abuse what a crack that is he hit her and the kids broke her arm 2 months after giving birth to number 5. 2 months after that he stabbed her with a fork and blacken both eyes all with her in a full cast holding a 2 month old baby. As we are dealing with the after affects he's all comfy cozy in his rehab and out in under  10 months demanding his rights to see his kids 1 day a week. He hit them as well but because of deal making his 10 yr. felony was knocked down to 5 months in a country club. My daughter gets 1,000.00 a month from the state her rent for a 2 bedroom condo is 1400.00 guess who has to pick up the rest and only 500.00 in food stamps we live in CA and the cost of living is so high. Between running the kids to counseling and school and to the courts with gas at what it is you can guess what isn't being done for the true victims here. Now on to the drugs GIVE ME A BREAK PLEASE  I had my right arm ground off in a meat grinder in 76 but did I make the choice to sit back and say oh poor me .hell no I got married to a wonderful man helped him raise his 5 children and we were married to Christmas Day 1997 when he died at the foot of our bed in a massive heart attack and even then I never went to drugs or blame.

To this day I am disabled by a nerve disease that is very painful and I do need lots of pain medication to make it possible for me to do the things that need to be done. I should take 6 pills for pain a day but hey I have kids to feed clean up after and watch over so I stay in pain till they go to bed then I take my medication again no blame game things happen get over it I don't see Dr. Phil helping 5 young kids get over seeing their Mom hit many times by their Dad or the fact the the oldest at age 9 has already been kicked out of 1 school we are trying to do the best we can tell them they are loved and they can do anything and that they are special and none of this was there fault. CHOOSE PEOPLE WE HAVE FREE WILL MAKE THE RIGHT CHOSE.......CHOSE YOU CHILDREN CHOSE LOVE NOT BLAME CHOSE YOURSELF

MICHELLE

How sad is your negative attitude. We are all dealt our hands and it is how we play our cards. No one individual is perfect, nor is their lives but it is the responsibility that we take that builds our strengths. You may not have gotten into drugs but, you definetly are on a bitter road. Everybody handles their pains differently, some people are resilient and some are not. I wish you and you daughter the best, abusive relationships are not easy. I was there also so I empathize. I also wish the twins the best of luck. I am following the story and my heart is with you both! :)
 
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December 5, 2006, 6:51 pm PST

nobody's life is perfect

I am 42, mother of an 18 and 22 year old. I am married and he is the father of my 2 children. My life before I was married was very very tough.. I am adopted, my father cheated on my mother, my mother was an alcoholic, my Dad ignored all of us as he was to busy with his own life. My brother was and still is addicted to crack, and I never know from day to day when he will fall down in that deep hole again. My mother would have alcoholic ceasures, and I would ride alone in the ambulance to the hospital with her, and call a neighbor at 12,13, 14 and on for a ride home to an empty house, until someone would come stay with me. This went on for years....My point is- Nobody has the perfect life,  blaming a stepfather who adopted you has some merit,

but not fully. Everyone, no mater what age, can blame someone else for why they make terrible mistakes in thier lives. The day you own your own mistakes, and look yourself in the mirror and own yourself and your actions is the day you can begin to move on. For me, all those terible things in my life, gave me so much strength to want so much more for myself and the children I have. There life is great, and I have a wonderful husband, but never once have I hidden the truth from them. I know that knowing , hearing, and seeing for themselves the destruction in my family can make them learn to accept that people are human, and not to follow down one of those dark dark roads. I can only hope for my kids that they never encounter the pain that myself and all of those who have addicts in thier lives will never feel that pain.I wish the twins healing and day to day hope to make the right choices and own them. They deserve a good new life and a future. Do not put all of the blame on the stepfather, on the Mom, where is thier real Dad? Abandonment and rejection does cause alot of pain, and these girls are lucky that a stranger cared more for them to make the right call over their own family. Good luck to Sarah and Tecoa and to a new better future. Each day is about making choices, good or bad, and only that girl in the mirror can make the choices for you now. I hope that they will be strong and get the knowledge and tools to make better choices everyday.

Dr. Phil is a wonderful person to put these type of stories on his show, real people with real problems. He follows through with his words, and help, and not just a story to make a buck.

If we had more shows and people like Dr. Phil, this world would be a better place.

 
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December 5, 2006, 6:53 pm PST

The reality is....

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about the facts. PERRY abandoned two children BEFORE there was a 'wife and daughter' The difficult situation was created by two ADULTS long before the kids got into difficulty. The means do not justify the end. IF this man had the guts to stand up and act like a decent human being, he could have, at any time along this journey, tried on his own to help these girls but instead, he chose to abandon them. He could have done it wihout 'involving' them with the new fruit of his precious loins.AS one pointed out earlier, since when is it right to abandon one child for another? I certainly am glad that I don't live in a  situation where it's okay to take that kind of selfish stance that leaves bodies scattered along the way.

Tragically, there is nothing Perry could have done to stop these twins.  When your mother supplies you with alcohol and allows you to experiment ("all teenagers do") then the horse is out of the barn.  If I had been in his shoes, I would have done the same thing. 

 

Frankly, the financial toll of trying to reverse custody when the children would prefer to stay with an enabling parent would have driven him into bankruptcy and the twins would have stayed with their mother. 

 

Emotionally, why would any parent subject themselves to the pain and heartache of seeing two young girls head down a horrible path when there isn't a thing you can do about it? 

 

I have a stepdaughter that makes horrible decisions (she's 27) and I refuse to be wrapped up along with her.  I state my peace, make my point, and if she still can't see the obvious, well then, let me know how you are after this little self-inflicted drama is over. 

 

Please.... where is it written that you have to destroy your life or you're not a dutiful, loving or caring parent!  Yeah, you need a reality check. 

 
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December 5, 2006, 7:45 pm PST

good-bye daddy

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The story of these 2 gilrs has touched me deeply! So, deeply in fact, I was inspired to write this "poem of healing" for them. I hope that they will read this & that it will in some way help their helaing process!!! 

 

                          Melody

 

Good-Bye Daddy

 

 

 

 

When you said you were my Daddy, I thought that meant forever,

I thought that was through thick & thin & any kind of weather

 

All I ever wanted was for you to be by my side

So when you left I cried

 

I tried so hard to fight the pain

But it ran so deep, I felt insane

 

When drugs first were offered, I wanted to say no

But the promise of no pain, made me take a go..

 

I thought the pain was over, but it had only just begun

It would take years for me to realize what I had actually done

 

The pain I caused my loved ones, I did not mean to reap,

The never ending nightmare, wouldnt allow me to sleep

 

The unconditional love I craved, I still could not find

The needles & the pills consumed my struggling mind

 

At this point, I gave up on caring about myself

About my looks, my feelings, my heart & my health

 

It all belong to the drugs, the seemed to mask my pain

But all those ugly lies, were only in my brain

 

The reality of the hurt you caused, was still staring me in the face

It seemed that nothing or no one could ever take your place

 

I thought if you saw me hurting, you would come & rescue me

But that was just a fairy tale, that was never meant to be

 

I am on the path to healing now,

I know Im going to make it, although Im not sure how

 

I think it starts with loving me, the way you never could,

You didnt know how to help me like a Daddy should

 

But in my path to healing, I will learn to forgive

Because I know deep down, it is the only way to live

 

Holding all this hate, inside me,

Will never let me see, all that I can truly be

 

I know that deep inside me I have to let you go

But these are just a few things, I needed you to know

 

I am in the process of releasing you from my heart,

But in all the work I need to do this is just the start

 

I am building a new home for me to live

Where, love, hope & happiness, are always there to give

 

I know that I will be ok

And live to love another Day

 

 

 

 WOW that is the story of my life. That is a beautiful and strong poem, thank you for sharing that......
 
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December 5, 2006, 7:48 pm PST

not on twin's side

I did not like the fact that the Dr. Phil show allowed the twins to make fun of the gifts that Rene gave them.  Maybe the stuffed animals were a little juvenile, but she gave them to the girls with a good heart.  I think that part could have been left out of the show .  I also think that the twins are bullies and would have been extremely difficult to deal with when they were together. 

I don't think that Perry should have cut off all contact with them, although I can understand why he did it.  I do understand Perry and Rene's concern for their child.  As I said, these girls are bullies and would have found ways to aggravate or hurt the child to get back at their father.

I don't understand why Dr. Phil has been so considerate of Cindy's feelings.  She is a neglectant parent and there is no way she could not know what was going on with these girls.  She did not intervene to stop it or get help from the many agencies that could have given it.  She tries to put the blame on the father and not own her part in this problem.  I really think that Sarah, Tecoa and Cindy are all pretending to be nice and cooperative at this point, but we will see what they are made of  when they are separated to go to rehab.

 
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December 5, 2006, 7:58 pm PST

The stepfather

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I know I'm a bit slow here, but where I come from, when a stepfather elects to adopt the child or children, he assumes the role of the father, with all its ups and downs.  He legally ceases to be the stepfather and could have been forced to pay child support.  I think this expands his responsibility greatly.  He is the legal father and had no right to make the choices he did.   You can't love kids when they are little, cute and adorable then take off when they learn to get in trouble.  While there is ample blame for all in this situation, I place a great deal of the blame on him.  He decided to be their legal parent.  Having done that, he can't later say "...just kidding!". 
 You are very right....But it happens alot more than people think, the sad thing is you can't make them be apart of your life if they don't want to
 
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December 6, 2006, 12:30 am PST

Thanks for the story of the 2 wolves.

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Wow, I read your whole post and glad you are enjoying a wonderful life in a beautiful place. I love the story of the 2 wolves. I understand alcohol addiction but didn't understand heroin addiction until I read how you described the euphoria and "down"effect  or numbness. Also, that you always have to take just a little more to get the same effect as you go on. I had heard that you don't have withdrawal the first few weeks so people think it is OK but by the time you try to quit, you are already addicted and have bad withdrawal symptoms after only 8 weeks of using even . I don't know if this is true but it sounds like it overpowers people very quickly and then just doesn't let go. Thanks for the post.

I also read your entire post.  Thanks for writing.  I liked your story so much I forwarded it to my teenage son.  I love the analogy the story presents.  We can all use a bit of guidance from time to time.  Thanks for your input;  I live in Maryland. and have followed the twins story in our local paper (The Capital, in Annapolis), since last summer.  I hope they will continue to get well and move on with their lives in a positve way.  I don't want to participate in the blame game that other's are writing about.  We all have our reasons for making decisions in life; good and bad.  We all have our demons, and angels.  How we choose to go forward and make each day better is more important to me than placing blame.  As long as there is growth on the part of the mom, Cindy and no more co-dependence, she too can heal and be a positive support for the twins.  I hope she will get some guidance from Dr. Phil to deal with her own personal issues so that she can succeed in the most important after-care portion of the twins intervention. 

Take care and God Bless you for sharing your time and thoughts.  It was refreshing to see a positive ending to a tragic story. 

 
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December 6, 2006, 1:25 am PST

The step father was justified

I don't blame the step dad at all. I know that many people believe that others owe them something but these girls were liabilities to the step father once he remarried. At that point, they needed to tow the line or be excluded from his life. I think the biological father is to blame for abandoning his seed. I was a step parent and let go of my step child once I found that their values were diametrically opposed to mine.  I am saying that once I found that a lack of integrity was more important to the child than being someone I could trust, as painful as it was, I had to get him out of my life. No blood ties, no obligation. Even with blood ties, forget it. If divorce is okay then so is eliminating those people from your life that will bring you and your life down. They were headed for heroin and they are manipulating the situation with this step dad. They made choices and they paid the consequences. Guilt is not enough to change the fact that he did the best he could for himself and that is always, in my opinion, the best for all involved. If he'd stayed his life would be toxic and poisoned. That's life.
 
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