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Topic : 12/04 Heroin Twins: The Intervention, Part 3

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Dr. Phil continues his work with twin sisters who are addicted to heroin and crack cocaine and were spiraling out of control. A few days into her detox, Sarah begins to emerge from her haze of drug use and painful withdrawal symptoms. Is she committed to the work involved with getting clean? Dr. Phil questions their mother, Cindy, about her own history of alcohol use and how she is sabotaging Tecoa’s sobriety and the health of her unborn baby. Then, Dr. Phil tracks down the sisters’ long-lost stepfather, Perry. They say his disappearance from their lives played a significant role toward their decline into drug use and prostitution. How does Perry explain his absence from their lives, and does his appearance bring closure for Sarah and Tecoa? As the twins begin to take their first steps toward a new life, Dr. Phil informs them that their paths of sobriety will be separate. Will they agree to go to different rehab centers to learn how to stand on their own two feet? Share your thoughts here.

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December 8, 2006, 12:28 am PST

I agree with you

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You two might have had tough times, but you had really good coping mechanisms.  Just because you had a lot of hard stuff thrust on you doesn't mean another person has the same strength.  I'm not saying they don't own anything in their decision to get lit.  I can relate to the low self-esteem issues in childhood and how they can make you feel really worthless and suicidal.  I can see how someone could turn to drugs to drown out the pain (like cutting for someone with an anxiety disorder).

OF COURSE, the Stepdad DID have some ownership in this because the girls already had some abandonment issues from the biological father bailing out on them, but once they weren't "cute" anymore he did the same thing to them-jerk.

Just like the dangerous doody-head your daughter thought would be a good dad.  He's got quite a bit of ownership into smacking around innocent children-that really screws people up.  He's got some kind of control issue and its HIS responsibility to admit that and get help-not the kids ownership that their dad abuses them-Last time I checked there was no circumstance that justifies abandoning OR abusing your kids.  THAT's screwed up!

You need to get some help, lady, because sooner or later, whatever's bubbling beneath the surface, the abuse, the arm, whatever- is going to find a way to peek its head out (repression).

 

It makes me so mad that people blame the victim when they really ARE victims! Unbelievable!  Is it the victims fault when they're stabbed, beat up, shot at?  Heck no!    Go back and take a course in psychology at the community college, because youre really far off base!

 

I totally agree with you she is so far off the base, she isn't even in the outer field, she is over the fence somewhere in the pasture!!!
 
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December 8, 2006, 6:07 am PST

12/04 Heroin Twins: The Intervention, Part 3

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 You know the mom might not of made the right choices all the time either but at least she did,nt run off or turn her back on the girls......When you have a parent walk out on you, you are just glad you at least have one that stays with you no matter how they are.......
If thats true explain why the Mom said to Dr. Phil, "I did not know it had gotten this bad." Why has she said she could nto have the girlos at home becuase they steal from her? She wasn't involved in their lives before this show. If you ask me Mom has her own problems to fix before she is strong enough to help the girls. SO tell me......even after Dr. Phil stepped in Mom drank beer with her pregnant daughter......she has done no better than Dad, and Dad offered the girls to come live with him..........but they did nto want ot follow the rules. Of coarse rebellious teens are going to want to live with the parent that allows them to do whatever they want.
 
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December 8, 2006, 7:48 am PST

12/04 Heroin Twins: The Intervention, Part 3

My 19 year old son passed away this Labor Day because of drugs.  It wasn't heroin that took his life , but from the drug that clinics are handing out to get people off of heroin.  In the past, addicts had to take methadone at the clinics, but now they can take it home.  Also, doctors are prescribing methadone to people for pain...because it's cheaper...but it's VERY unpredictable.  Methadone can stay in a persons system for 58 hrs.  People are literally dying from just one pill.  Over 3000 people will die from methadone this year alone.  155 people died from ephedra and the FDA put a complete ban on it.  I am on this thread in hopes of educating others about the dangers of methadone.  I have written many talk shows, but they haven't responded about the controversial subject up.  You see....methadone is more addictive than heroin and it's killing more people than heroin is, but people perceive it as "medicine" when it's actually just a killer, money maker.  Clinics buy the drug for 50 cents a dose and sell the doses for $10-$12 a dose.  The addict HAS to take the drug DAILY or they become very sick...just as sick as someone coming off of heroin. The government will tell you that methadone is used to wean people off of heroin...but the reality is that  most people will take it for the rest of their lives.  A study in Scotland showed that only 4% of the addicts ever get off of methadone.  Please, take a look at the REAL stories from people that have lost their loved ones to methadone you will be shocked at the numbers.  The majority of these people that have died were prescribed methadone:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/472711451?ltl=1161968279  


The latest news:

http://www.goupstate.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061130/NEWS/611300336/1051/NEWS01  

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Methadone kills more young people in Florida than any other drug, Smith notes.

"The one prescription drug that keeps going up in terms of the absolutenumbers of deaths and rates of increase, particularly for children, ismethadone," says Jim McDonough, the former director of the Florida Officeof Drug Control. "The facts are, it's murderous. Look at the death rate.It's absolutely out of control."

One reason, Smith says: Methadone stays in the system for days. So, every drinkor drug taken afterwards can cause a lethal reaction. And too often, teens haveno idea what they're taking.  

   

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/10/earlyshow/health/main1484973_page2.shtml  

   

This is one part ofthe problem  

http://www.wvgazette.com/webtools/print/series/2006060324  

   

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One Pill can Kill  

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2475616&page=1  

   

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Please watch these videos…  

http://www.nopetaskforce.org/popups/news12_12-2005.htm  

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=1483422n  

   

The Killer Cure:  Deaths Tied to Methadone Escalate AcrossState, Nation  

   

http://www.medicalassistedtreatment.org/475719/486926.html?*session*id*key*=*session*id*val*  

   

Created by the Nazis:  

   

http://www.heroinabuse.net/heroin_news04.html  



 
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December 8, 2006, 9:54 am PST

PERSONALITY DISORDERS - CHILDREN AND ADOLESCENTS

Personality Disorders have traditionally been conceptualized only in adults, yet it is not uncommon to encounter children and adolescents with the classic diagnostic signs.  Some of my favorite books which provide a great introduction into the subject of personality disorders in children and adolesents are:   

 

Treating Personality Disorders in Children and Adolescents:  A Relational Approach by Efrain Bleiberg 

 

Emotional Blackmail:  When the People in Your Life Use Fear, Obligation and Guilt to Manipulate You by Susan Forward OR Understanding the Borderline Mother Helping Her Children Transcend the Intense, Unpredictable and Volatile Relationship by Christine Ann Lawson 

 

Why is it Always About You?:  The Seven Deadly Sins of Narcissism by Sandy Hotchkiss  

 

Youngsters with personality disorders may come across as strikingly arrogant, defiant and manipulative.   

 

Hope it helps! 

 

 
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December 8, 2006, 10:22 am PST

"somewhat entertained"

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what is chippin

When a person starts to use heroin its a 'little here and a little there' (hence the term chippin,street lingo) . "He started chippin after 5yrs of sobrity/clean and we all know there is no chipping in heroin users" . I was refering to the newbie, the person that has no idea of the physical addiction they will soon be experiencing, in a very short time.  This can be compared to the "social drinker"  or the 'weekend partee-er' that occasionally may experiment with drugs vs. the alcoholic that cannot take that first drink or the addict that knows  what the first fix  will result in.  There is no middle ground for heroin user nor alcoholics.

I hope this explaination has shed some light on your question.

 

I have to go and read up on the progress of the twins at their new rehab centers.  I am very interested in the  'cutting edge technology'  and 'state-of-the-art facility', that Dr. Phil provided for the twins.  

 

    

 

Hopefully yours, Blaze

 
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December 8, 2006, 11:51 am PST

Thank you

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Hi I am an addict..I have struggled with addiction for 14 yrs...I can tell you from an addicts point of view  that all the love in the world will not stop us for using...I had and still have the most supportive family who thank God have not gave up on me...but the hard truth is you have to want to change..I have been clean from herion now for over two years...I went on the methadone program...I decided a year into that I wanted off...and within 6 weeks I was off methadone...and have been for a year...I refuse to a herion junkie again...But again it was my choice...

Your brother has to want to get clean, all you can do is be supportive, let him know you care, this is my opionon of course...my family didnt shut me out and I am glad they didnt cause I probably woundnt be writing this if they had,...I still smoke crack cocaine and inject cocaine not everyday but at least 3-4 times a week.......and its a rush...it numbs you...nothing matters but getting that next rock or fix,,,,but everyone around me knows the signs...which are moody, disappearing for hours or days, or spending to much time in the bathroom, always needing a lighter, spoons that are bent..black on the bottom, your pupils go huge, you cant sit still, your body is racing....and the come down sucks...you feel lost, lonely, empty, you want that rush so bad it can make you say and do mean things to people especially the ones you love the most cause they will usually always take it from us..makes you wonder why after your down why you would want to do it all over again...

We lie, we steal, we do what we have to, to get drugs, we make up stories that sound great to us but make no sense to someone else...we play on people emotions, weakness, thats what addicts do. We lie about where are money has gone...say we spent it on things that we dont have...lent it to people..and never get it back...And Blame other people for are using...we always can find an excuse to use. I am over the blame part...I know now that everything I do is cause I want  to...its all about choices and yes I am still making wrong ones but its getting better...

There are lots of support groups around...for people affected by others addictions...you probably could find one on here. Hope things change for the better for you.,,,,

Hi,

 

I wish I could tell you how much your family loves you and how much they want you to be clean.  Every waking hour I think about my brother and wonder when it is he will realize that the past is the past and that every minute he has that he is alive is very precious to us, his children.  We would miss him soooo very much if he died. 

 

Just the fact that you are writing shows that you have a good heart and are a very special person.  You may doubt that, but I know that you are.  I wish I had the magic words for both you and my brother, but I don't. 

 

He tells me that with meetings, sponsors and support he can stop.  He says he's not addicted and he sounds so convincing that we believe him! 

 

Why wouldn't a person "want to stop"?  Help me understand.  Why wouldn't you "want to"? Why wouldn't you want thing to change for the better for you too?

 Were you born in 77?  I have a son that was born in 77.   Please feel my support for you and please know that I will pray just as hard for you and your family , as I will for my brother.

 
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December 8, 2006, 11:57 am PST

love and prayers

I pray for the people that are on drugs, I pray they get the help they need! I also pray they accept Jesus in there life too!  God  bless them!
 
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December 8, 2006, 2:07 pm PST

There's hope

These girls can do it, not that it's going to be easy. I did drugs for 10 years and have just recently been sober for 2 years. Im 23 years old and when I found out that I had to choose quitting or going to jail I thought that my life was over, totally over. My entire existance revolved around useing, selling and partying with drugs. I was in out patient treatment and on state probation for 3 years. It's all about makeing choices and deciding what you want to do with your life. At the time I had no idea where to even begin, all I knew was that I didn't like jail, but that was the begining for me. The rest came to me at a later time. Im still figuring a lot of things out actually but at least I am a functioning member of society. I have a job, a boyfriend, and a place to live today. I actually pay my bills and get up and go to work every day. Its not a life of glitz and glamour but its far better than the old life that I lived. Sometimes I still get bored and I want to use "for old times sake" but then I reflect on how far I have come and what I could lose if I chose drugs again. At any rate I know these girls can do it. It just takes some time and some patience. Heroin, crack, and meth are all possible to kick. I know because I have.
 
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December 8, 2006, 4:26 pm PST

herion twins

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If thats true explain why the Mom said to Dr. Phil, "I did not know it had gotten this bad." Why has she said she could nto have the girlos at home becuase they steal from her? She wasn't involved in their lives before this show. If you ask me Mom has her own problems to fix before she is strong enough to help the girls. SO tell me......even after Dr. Phil stepped in Mom drank beer with her pregnant daughter......she has done no better than Dad, and Dad offered the girls to come live with him..........but they did nto want ot follow the rules. Of coarse rebellious teens are going to want to live with the parent that allows them to do whatever they want.
 I wasn't saying the mom did not screw up....I just meant it wasn't all her fault it was the dads to and that maybe if he would of stuck around closer, then the two of them could have kept a better eye on the girls and maybe have kept them from getting this bad....Both parents have got problems they need to work on....I think that if the twins can stay off the drugs then they can get their heads on straight and really do ok for them selves...
 
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December 8, 2006, 5:44 pm PST

12/04 Heroin Twins: The Intervention, Part 3

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  The father through legal adoption should have told his wife that he had a responsibility.  You don't just dump a kid b/c they have problems.  You talk to them, work it out, get them help, spend time with them.  He didn't even have to take them into his house, just spend time with them and be there for them.  That would have helped a lot.

 

Some kind of visitation schedule should have been arranged thru the court with some other relative (not the mom) having sole custody.  That way the "dad" could be in their lives without the "danger" of them being around the baby. 

 

I guess if you knock up some other chick, everyone else has to suffer.

Maybe he did not walk out on them but was pushed out by the mother and not allowed to help.  We did not hear the entire story of the interpersonal relationship with the mother or the kids.  They did have a visitation schedule and he tried to be in contact with the girls but was not given the total truth of what was actually going on.  I find it offensive you attribute the only reason for the problems was because he "knocked up some other chick"--it was his wife not some chick off the street.  At least have some respect for the people involved. 
 
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