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Topic : 12/06 Teacher Troubles

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Created on : Friday, December 01, 2006, 03:22:29 pm
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Kids across the country are playing pranks and harassing teachers. Tericka, a high school science teacher who loved her job, lived in fear of her scandalous past catching up with her and getting her fired. Students eventually found out about her shocking past and the news spread throughout town like wildfire. Are other teachers taking her side, or do they feel her punishment was justified? How can she move forward? Then, Anna, an assistant principal, was harassed on the Internet when two students created a fake MySpace page alleging to be her. She says they completely attacked her character and need to be held accountable for their actions. Was this just a practical joke gone bad, or were these students out for revenge? Find out what Anna did to show these kids that some jokes just aren't funny. Could the mischief your kids get into end up costing you thousands of dollars? Talk about the show here.

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December 10, 2006, 4:19 am PST

Thank you

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Shame on you, Dr. Phil!  You blew it twice during the past couple of weeks.  First, you criticized the mother and grandmother of the three year old (who was apparently molested by her father) for going "outside the system" because they picketed the courthouse and distributed flyers to rally support when the court awarded unsupervised visitation to the father.  I'm sure you would not have stood idly by if this had happened to you!  Actually, they did not go "outside the system"; their activism was definitely within the parameters of the American political system (read first amendment rights).

 

As if that was not bad enough, last week you criticized an assistant principal for filing suit against a couple of students who had harassed her by posting a false ad in her name on myspace.com.  You again questioned why she couldn't handle this "within the school system".  She had to explain that there is NO "school system" that could effectively deal with this issue. And why should there be -- the students were acting on their own time and not on school property.  So what is wrong with handling it through the court system?

 

I was so angry after seeing your reaction that I was ready to head for Hollywood to set you straight!

 

To use your own words, Dr. Phil -- What were you thinking? 

My exact sentiment regarding how Dr. Phil handled this young assistant principal.  I say "you go girl."  She is absolutely doing the right thing.  His questioning her repeatedly as to how she was handling it and taking this young boy to court really ticked me off.  It sounded like a 'typical male view.'  I agree 100%.

I also posted my view extensively today on the message board.

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December 10, 2006, 4:25 am PST

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Shame on you, Dr. Phil!  You blew it twice during the past couple of weeks.  First, you criticized the mother and grandmother of the three year old (who was apparently molested by her father) for going "outside the system" because they picketed the courthouse and distributed flyers to rally support when the court awarded unsupervised visitation to the father.  I'm sure you would not have stood idly by if this had happened to you!  Actually, they did not go "outside the system"; their activism was definitely within the parameters of the American political system (read first amendment rights).

 

As if that was not bad enough, last week you criticized an assistant principal for filing suit against a couple of students who had harassed her by posting a false ad in her name on myspace.com.  You again questioned why she couldn't handle this "within the school system".  She had to explain that there is NO "school system" that could effectively deal with this issue. And why should there be -- the students were acting on their own time and not on school property.  So what is wrong with handling it through the court system?

 

I was so angry after seeing your reaction that I was ready to head for Hollywood to set you straight!

 

To use your own words, Dr. Phil -- What were you thinking? 

Dear sarahse10

  You've got it right.

  There is another Dr Phil quote that applies here as well.  Dr Phils "it's OK boys, you're just kids and you didn't really mean to hurt anybody, so don't do it again" has been the program for so many years. That quote is "HOW'S THAT WORKING FOR YOU". And as we all know if that approach was working this would not have happened.

 

 
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December 10, 2006, 4:30 am PST

I agree

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 I just watched the episode from Wednesday (on Tape) that includedthe story of the Assistant principal who was victimized by the bogusMySpace site with the vicious content.  Dr. Phil was WAY off basein questioning the AP's decision to sue the kids and theirfamilies.  He said this should have been handled 'in school' as adisciplinary action instead of a lawsuit.  The problem with thatis IT DIDN'T HAPPEN AT SCHOOL and HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THESCHOOL!  This was something that happened in a very publicarena--basically the arena of this action was the entire world.

I would love to see the reaction of Dr. Phil if someone did somethingcomparable that attacked the reputation of him, his wife and sons on aninternet site or spread vicious lies about the personal conduct of hiswife and sons.   And the show revealed that the only action by theschool was a suspension--which is absolutely meaningless consideringthe level of seriousness of the offense.  He wasn't even shiftedto the alternative school as another option. 

And I don't think a lawsuit against the kids and parents is the leastbit disproportional.  Considering enormity of what they did it'snot a very big consequence.  An impartial jury will decide whatthe damages, if any, will be.  And the one kid that may face afelony charge--well guess what?  Life is hard, but when you'reirresponsible and destructive, it's even harder.  Better tofind that out now when he still has the resources of his parents to help him through this ordeal instead of escaping accountability with the belief he can get away with this sort of thing.  Because the next time (and there will be a next time) the damage he will inflict will be far greater and the consequences for him even greater and longer lasting.

And by not following through with this, all of the students in that school will get the clear message that this sort of thing is ok, something to repeat again and again and the position of teachers and administrators eroded even further.  And this episode is a product of the tendency to ignore or downplay previous levels of behavior that everyone tried to insist "wasn't really that bad" and we shouldn't burden the kids with the logical consequences of their badbehavior.

The consequences of a lawsuit are pretty tough.  But no where near as tough or ultimately destructive on all the parties as the consequences of NOT pursuing the lawsuit.

I agree totally. 

This could be made into a show of its own......how young people NEED to be made responsible for their actions from a very young age.  Discipline or punishment should always fit the bad deed and not swept under the rug.  Dr. Phil disappointed me terribly as to how he felt the apology and some community service would make everything okay.  WRONG!

 
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December 10, 2006, 5:18 am PST

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It seems that the school administration and some people want to give the teacher a life sentence for doing something that was not illegal though certainly unsavory. There is no doubt in my mind that she has suffered greatly for her unfortunate decisions but has managed to pull herself together, hold her head up and decide to move forward and be the best mother, teacher and person she can be. She is a good example for anyone. If we make children believe that they can never overcome bad decisions, why would they even try? I am sure she regrets her decisions with every fiber of her being, but it is not something she can change, only overcome. She has, now the rest of the world needs to leave it be. Criminals who actually maim and kill others don't get the punishment that some want to inflict on this teacher.

 

As for the vice principal who is sueing a student and his parents, it is probably the only recourse she has. Schools are no longer allowed to discipline students with anything meaningful because the parents will sue the schools. To think otherwise, is to be out of touch with reality. Until the schools are given back some authority and parents hold themselves and their children accountable, there is not much else she can do.

 
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December 10, 2006, 6:07 am PST

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Dear sarahse10

  You've got it right.

  There is another Dr Phil quote that applies here as well.  Dr Phils "it's OK boys, you're just kids and you didn't really mean to hurt anybody, so don't do it again" has been the program for so many years. That quote is "HOW'S THAT WORKING FOR YOU". And as we all know if that approach was working this would not have happened.

 

is it not unfair to Dr Phil for you to place the guilt of those children's acts on his shoulders? inso doing you are thking the spot light off the guilty indeed, as for the most part the understanding of children is what Dr Phil tryes to stress to parents for many have none, he wouldn't want criminal acts going unpunished,i think all he was trying to get across was to let the punishment fit the crime,
 
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December 10, 2006, 6:16 am PST

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I was watching the part of the show that was talking about the teacher sueing the students and i believe that she is being selfish. I am majoring in education and believe that the students where wrong but they will be held accountable for this forthe rest of their lifes. This is not what teachers should be about, i want to make a positive difference in childrens lives not ruin them forever. How would this make her feel safer at school or home? Get an alarm system!
apparently the parents of the children seem to be above every one, and feel they owe no apologies to this woman for there children's actions,in a round about way she is looking out for the children's future shes making sure those parents don't have the money to buy there children more computer equipment, and will probably purchase a alarm system as you suggest in all honesty she should not have to foot the bill for something she really didnt need till those children made all her personal information not only public but world wide,if those kids had only chosen to do this to you they wouldnt have had anything to worry about, !
 
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December 10, 2006, 6:20 am PST

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What the heck is that huge picture??
 yeah its very huge, thers alot to see in this picture if one looks at it with a true heart!
 
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December 10, 2006, 7:07 am PST

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It seems that the school administration and some people want to give the teacher a life sentence for doing something that was not illegal though certainly unsavory. There is no doubt in my mind that she has suffered greatly for her unfortunate decisions but has managed to pull herself together, hold her head up and decide to move forward and be the best mother, teacher and person she can be. She is a good example for anyone. If we make children believe that they can never overcome bad decisions, why would they even try? I am sure she regrets her decisions with every fiber of her being, but it is not something she can change, only overcome. She has, now the rest of the world needs to leave it be. Criminals who actually maim and kill others don't get the punishment that some want to inflict on this teacher.

 

As for the vice principal who is sueing a student and his parents, it is probably the only recourse she has. Schools are no longer allowed to discipline students with anything meaningful because the parents will sue the schools. To think otherwise, is to be out of touch with reality. Until the schools are given back some authority and parents hold themselves and their children accountable, there is not much else she can do.

Not hiring someone is not "giving them a life sentence".   People apply for jobs and fail to get hired everyday.

 

Tericka has been well rewarded for her years in the porn industry.  She made enough money to live well and go to college.  Even if she doesn't get another teaching job she should have no trouble getting a job in industry or research where she can use her degree and earn quite a bit of money -- probably more than she would teaching. 

 

 So, you see, lack of virtue is  rewarded.  if you want your children to learn that the end justifies the means you can point that out for them.  Maybe they will want to follow  Tericka's example and earn their college money through the sex industry!  Why not?

 
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December 10, 2006, 7:23 am PST

Discrimination is against the Law in this country! PLEASE, PASS IT OVER TO HER ATTORNEY!

It is clear that this teacher is being discriminated. We have an EEOC that legislate the EEO laws. The school is judging the teacher by what she has done in the past, then if they are to banish teachers for what they have done while they were young than the ones who opted for abortion and killed their own kids should be banished???? The ones who used drugs or were addicted once which is completely against the law should also be fired??? Actually, if they are to judge the teachers based on what they have done, then they would have to investigate all the theacher's lives and check if they were capable of teaching their kids.

Actually it appears to me that what they are teaching their kids is that our society must be judgemental and discriminatory towards others, for if the school praises the teacher for overcoming her weaknessess and thinks that the only thing is that she is not suitable for teaching, then the school itself should find her another task, maybe as an educational coordinator, or as a councelor, that would show they are not being discriminatory, as a matter of fact that would show that they are as eclectic as our society and that they are in favor of diversification which discribes our society in all. Other than that, with the actions they are taking the school is showing that THEY are out of the law, not the teacher.

If there is any doubt please consult the eeoc.gov , they have all the information that can help in this situation. And I am sorry to say that, shame on this board, they just lost a great opportunity to teach their kids how to be forgiven, and to teach them that life sometimes is tough but you can overcome with good will, and you can make the right choices even if you had already done wrong things in the past. This is what real education is all about!

 
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December 10, 2006, 9:10 am PST

teacher whos contract never got renewed

 I agree that what this teacher did in her past was very bad and she had several chances to make the right decisions but the fact is that this happened years ago and she has turned her life around and is now doing a very good thing.  By getting rid of her i dont think we are teaching our kids anything.  They need to learn that a person should have a second chance in life and in regards of the parents they need to teach their kids how to get past someting like that and to teach them respect.  Remember they are still kids, and remind the parents that their kids could also end of doing something awful just like the teacher.  Would they want their kids to pay for the rest of their lives also?  This issue should be dealt with in a mature manner and the parents should be teaching their kids to also deal with it in a mature manner, not teach them that if a person screws up early in life that there is no fixing things because as parents we all hope that if our kid goes bad that there is always a chance of turning things around.  They all should mind their own business and move on.  This could be one of their kids 15 years from now.
 
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