Topic : 12/06 Teacher Troubles

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Created on : Friday, December 01, 2006, 03:22:29 pm
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Kids across the country are playing pranks and harassing teachers. Tericka, a high school science teacher who loved her job, lived in fear of her scandalous past catching up with her and getting her fired. Students eventually found out about her shocking past and the news spread throughout town like wildfire. Are other teachers taking her side, or do they feel her punishment was justified? How can she move forward? Then, Anna, an assistant principal, was harassed on the Internet when two students created a fake MySpace page alleging to be her. She says they completely attacked her character and need to be held accountable for their actions. Was this just a practical joke gone bad, or were these students out for revenge? Find out what Anna did to show these kids that some jokes just aren't funny. Could the mischief your kids get into end up costing you thousands of dollars? Talk about the show here.

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December 17, 2006, 7:22 pm PST

THIS GRANDMA IS FOR THE TEACHER

YES I WATCHED THE SHOW AND WAS VERY UPSET AFTERWARDS. I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW COME THEY WOULD NOT KEEP THE ONE TEACHER ON BECAUSE OF HER PORNS.  TELL ME WHY SOMEONE THAT HAD HER RECOMMENDATIONS, AS SHE STATED, THAT WERE EXCELLENT AND THE SCHOOL NOT KEEP HER TEACHING,  THE BOYS SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD THE PORN IN THE BEGINNING AND YES I AGREE WITH DR PHIL HOW BAD THAT PORN IS, BUT COULD SOMEONE ANSWER ME A QUESTION?  SHE WAS OVER THE STUDENTS, HAD CHANGED HER LIFE AROUND AND HELPING OUR CHILDREN, SO WHY WAS BILL CLINTON NOT FIRED FOR WHAT HE DID, HE WAS OVER OUR COUNTRY, SO WHICH IS WORSE, BEING IN PORN, CHANGING YOUR LIFE FOR THE BETTER AND TEACHING, THEN BE OUT OF A JOB BECAUSE OF SOME BOYS THAT SHOULDN'T BEEN LOOKING AT IT IN THE FIRST PLACE  OR  A SO CALLED PRESIDENT THAT IS SUPPOST TO HAVE FAMILY MORALS AND ALL THAT AND DO SUCH A THING AS HE DID THEN LIE ABOUT IT TO EVERY AMERICAN IN THIS COUNTRY?  AT LEAST THE TEACHER DIDN'T LIE ABOUT IT.  MY VOTE FOR THE ONE TO BE OUT OF A JOB WOULD HAVE TO BE CLINTON, SOME LEADER HUH, SO I'M PULLING FOR THE TEACHER ON THIS ONE!!!!

 
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December 18, 2006, 4:13 am PST

Teacher Troubles/Anna

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I wonder if those supporting these kids who blantantly maligned this principal (by some called a prank), would be as generous in their response if their child and/or a family member were maligned in the exact same way.  Or would they be going to court and suing to address the situation?

 

I, also, was greatly disappointed in Dr. Phil's response.  He acted as if this were the principal's problem.  I would call this attacking the victim.

 

Are the parents from the kids who committed the Columbine acts of violence at all responsible for their kids.  Or was this just kids doing a little prank that went terribly wrong?

 

Let's face it, if we don't all take some responsibility in this matter, this behavior will continue.

 

These were not 7 or 8 year olds.  These were kids old enough to hold jobs, drive cars, own and use computers and spend money.  They need to take responsibility for hurting and perhaps permanently damaging someones reputation and potentially putting someone else in danger.

 

I hope this principal wins her case.  I would like to see a very large judgement slapped against these kids and their families.  I hope these kids are put on probation, required to go to counseling and do years of service to the community.

 

Whether parents like it or not, in the eyes of the law, you are responsible for your kids until age 18.  You may not be able to watch your children 24/7 but you can monitor in a regular way what they do.  You also want to explore why they would commit such a grevious and hostile act.

I agree with this person completely!  I'm not a teacher, but a school bus driver and it's been my experience that these kids are so out of control that even the school administrators refer many situations to the local government.  Parents are so eager to protect their children that they don't step up to the plate when there is a problem and the student feels like they have won.  The children seem to have the entitlement attitude that "if they can think it, they can do it".  Kids these days are much more highly skilled than we were as kids but often times they don't use it in a good way.  I would not have a clue how to set up a My Space website but I think  the majority of high school students can.  However, why are they allowed such free access to computers if they are not being responsible in their actions?  Kids are given computers at a very young age, oftentimes without restrictions.  They are given cars when they can get a license and they get all the freedom that goes with it.  There are never any repercussions for their actions.  Parents just can't seem to be parents these days.  Step up to the plate!  Make your children accountable!  Most of you would be shocked to see what your little darling has posted on the computer.  You'd also be surprised to see where they are going in that brand new car that you are providing and in many cases you don't have a clue about the activities your child is engaged in, including underage drinking and sex!  C'mon parents - get the message.  Spend time in your schools.  Interact with your childs friends and don't ever let your child get off the hook when their actions are reprehensible. 
 
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December 18, 2006, 5:41 am PST

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They know right from wrong yes, but they aren't capable of fully comprehending the consequences of such actions, they have poor impulse control. There are well done studies of the brain that show this.

Kids are kids. Should they get in trouble? YES. Should their lives be ruined for a childish mistake? No.

If they are going to be treated as adults in this situation they should be given the rights of adults, including the right to smoke, drink, vote and have consensual sex with adults.

after reading all posts in this board,watching the segment and doing some research. I'm going to stick up for Anna. When I was 16-17(like the two boys in question) I knew right from wrong, I knew the laws on slander and libel, and the consequences that comes of it. She is within her legal rights. This was done off school grounds and off school time. School punishment is not the right recourse. Sure, they target a school official. From what i read, they hated her for a long time. Their hatred for her is going to cost them.

 

Slander and Libel isn't a childish mistake. They have to learn that this isn't ok, that every action comes with a reaction. Hope they are prepared for the fall-out. A lawyer will show the jury the evidence 4 pages of lies,filth, personal info degrading her name. The motive---which is revenge for school punishment the two received.

 

As for the fully comprehending the consequences,because of age-- personally, i don't buy it. Its making an excuse for these kids. Thats like saying Klebold and Harris  weren't aware of what they did in colorado in 1999.

 
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December 18, 2006, 11:50 am PST

kids will be kids

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This really upsets me..... Kids make mistakes all the time. I don't think these children need to punished to this extent... I feel so bad for this kid i mean I'm sure he had no idea that what he did was so wrong.. if he is convicted of a felon his whole future is ruined he wouldn't even be able to go to college join the military if he wanted to i mean the list gos on and on. should a child loss some much for a little mistake, its not as if he killed someone, I'm not saying what he did was right, yes it was wrong for him to do what he did, but should he have to pay for it the rest of his life? when i watched this episode i was upset by how the asst. principle was acting not excepting a apology... and wanting money for what these kids did doesn't look good on her behalf... maybe she is in the wrong field of work when working with children you have to deal with many different circumstances and the way you handle them is what makes you good at your job... i just think she is going WAY over board.......................

I am so sick people saying it is alright for kids to do anything they like. When I was in grade school we knew what defamation of character meant. You add these kids prank to the incident that happened in Piper, Kansas, and people are devolving, getting dumber instead of smarter.

 

In Piper, Kansas, a high school class was given a paper to write. The teacher said plagarism would be an automatic failure. Several students turned in papers that were identical, word for word. The teacher investigated the internet and found where they had copied the work from. She failed them. They were on the football team. The parents, the coach and the school board acted against this teacher. Their consensus was that high school kids didn't know what the word "plagarize" meant. Doesn't say much for the intelligence level of that particular area, does it?

 

As they are getting ready to put you under anesthesia for surgery, ask yourself if your surgeon was one of those children who cheated his way through schooll.

 

What is so hypercritical about the attitudes is: It is okay for them to drive cars, use roadways, have cell phones, but they are just children. Bull.

 
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December 18, 2006, 11:59 am PST

If they are incapable

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There is a reason we call them kids and not adults. Because they are incappable of making wise disicions.
These are kiddies uncapable of making decision? Then why in the he** are we letting them drive cars? Kind of hypercritical, here, aren't we?
 
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December 18, 2006, 3:02 pm PST

12/06 Teacher Troubles

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These are kiddies uncapable of making decision? Then why in the he** are we letting them drive cars? Kind of hypercritical, here, aren't we?
 Yhea...it does seem strange how everybody is saying they're not responsible for anything they do because their brain isn't formed yet but they are allowed to drive at 16!!! 

Dr. Phil is a big one for letting kids get away with stuff because their brain isn't formed yet.  Well I say if their brain isn't done forming yet then why have them be responsible for a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g????  Heck, if they get drunk and get behind the wheel of a car and kill someone why should they have to pay for that either because, "Their brains arn't formed yet."

I mean why should the severity of what they do matter.  If they are not responsible for defaming someone's character then why should they be responsible for killing someone???  I mean if they are such loose cannons that can and often will do anything and they shouldn't have to pay for what they do because they are kind of .....retarded......then let's put them in a cage until their brains are formed.  That way they won't hurt anybody.

 
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December 18, 2006, 5:22 pm PST

12/06 Teacher Troubles

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after reading all posts in this board,watching the segment and doing some research. I'm going to stick up for Anna. When I was 16-17(like the two boys in question) I knew right from wrong, I knew the laws on slander and libel, and the consequences that comes of it. She is within her legal rights. This was done off school grounds and off school time. School punishment is not the right recourse. Sure, they target a school official. From what i read, they hated her for a long time. Their hatred for her is going to cost them.

 

Slander and Libel isn't a childish mistake. They have to learn that this isn't ok, that every action comes with a reaction. Hope they are prepared for the fall-out. A lawyer will show the jury the evidence 4 pages of lies,filth, personal info degrading her name. The motive---which is revenge for school punishment the two received.

 

As for the fully comprehending the consequences,because of age-- personally, i don't buy it. Its making an excuse for these kids. Thats like saying Klebold and Harris  weren't aware of what they did in colorado in 1999.

Well I didn't know slander and libel laws at 17...LOL...are you serious? You knew those kids of laws at 17? LOL And you knew the punishments for breaking those laws?

"Slander and Libel isn't a childish mistake."

It is when you are a child.  Do you plan on giving kids all the rights I mentioned? The right to drink? The right to smoke? The right to vote? The right to have sex with adults? You also ignored THAT part of my post too. Interesting.

"As for the fully comprehending the consequences,because of age-- personally, i don't buy it. Its making an excuse for these kids. Thats like saying Klebold and Harris  weren't aware of what they did in colorado in 1999."

Did you not bother to read where I said that they DO deserve to be punished? I very much think they should be PUNISHED. Did you skip that part of my post, or just decide to ignore it.

And you can "not buy" the science behind the human brain all you want. Doesn't make it not true. There are lots of people in this country who reject science because it doesn't fit into their narrow world view. Doesn't make them right...makes them ignorant. (Literal sense, not name calling.)

These are two boys who did a mean thing, they don't deserve their lives to be wrecked over it. That doesn't do ANYONE any good AT ALL.

 
 
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December 18, 2006, 5:28 pm PST

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 Yhea...it does seem strange how everybody is saying they're not responsible for anything they do because their brain isn't formed yet but they are allowed to drive at 16!!! 

Dr. Phil is a big one for letting kids get away with stuff because their brain isn't formed yet.  Well I say if their brain isn't done forming yet then why have them be responsible for a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g????  Heck, if they get drunk and get behind the wheel of a car and kill someone why should they have to pay for that either because, "Their brains arn't formed yet."

I mean why should the severity of what they do matter.  If they are not responsible for defaming someone's character then why should they be responsible for killing someone???  I mean if they are such loose cannons that can and often will do anything and they shouldn't have to pay for what they do because they are kind of .....retarded......then let's put them in a cage until their brains are formed.  That way they won't hurt anybody.

" Yhea...it does seem strange how everybody is saying they're not responsible for anything they do because their brain isn't formed yet but they are allowed to drive at 16!!! "

Wow..no one said anything CLOSE to that. I get so sick of people not comprehending. Just reading and knee-jerking away.

They are responsible...as responsible as a teen CAN be. THAT is the point. YES they should be punished, NO they shouldn't have their lives ruined.

Why do you see things in black and white terms? It's not that easy...somewhere in the middle is the answer. Make them learn from this so they don't do it again, but don't DESTROY their lives.

If you don't believe their brains are immature (as the science points out. This is well done science, not someone bloviating online) then why don't we let them drink? Smoke? Vote? Have sex with adults?

But it's very annoying you take one part of a comment and RUN away madly with it.
 
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December 18, 2006, 5:29 pm PST

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These are kiddies uncapable of making decision? Then why in the he** are we letting them drive cars? Kind of hypercritical, here, aren't we?
I totally agree with you. I don't think people should drive at 16. My daughter will not be allowed to drive until she is 18. If there was ever a vote to change the driving age I would. Car wrecks are the leading cause of death for 16-17 year old kids.
 
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December 18, 2006, 9:47 pm PST

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Well I didn't know slander and libel laws at 17...LOL...are you serious? You knew those kids of laws at 17? LOL And you knew the punishments for breaking those laws?

"Slander and Libel isn't a childish mistake."

It is when you are a child.  Do you plan on giving kids all the rights I mentioned? The right to drink? The right to smoke? The right to vote? The right to have sex with adults? You also ignored THAT part of my post too. Interesting.

"As for the fully comprehending the consequences,because of age-- personally, i don't buy it. Its making an excuse for these kids. Thats like saying Klebold and Harris  weren't aware of what they did in colorado in 1999."

Did you not bother to read where I said that they DO deserve to be punished? I very much think they should be PUNISHED. Did you skip that part of my post, or just decide to ignore it.

And you can "not buy" the science behind the human brain all you want. Doesn't make it not true. There are lots of people in this country who reject science because it doesn't fit into their narrow world view. Doesn't make them right...makes them ignorant. (Literal sense, not name calling.)

These are two boys who did a mean thing, they don't deserve their lives to be wrecked over it. That doesn't do ANYONE any good AT ALL.

 

Well I didn't know slander and libel laws at 17...LOL...are you serious? You knew those kids of laws at 17? LOL And you knew the punishments for breaking those laws?

I am serious I knew the laws in High school, I was in Civics my freshman year, advanced civics sophomore year,  Problems of democracy (Laws and Politics)class my senior year. It's call paying attention in class. Plus 2 years of JuCo.

Did you not bother to read where I said that they DO deserve to be punished? I very much think they should be PUNISHED. Did you skip that part of my post, or just decide to ignore it

 

I didn't ignore the post. Your idea of punishment and my idea is two seperate things. I believe since this was off school grounds. There own time, parents computer in the privacy of there homes they perpetrated this horrendous act. Therefore the school isn't at all liable in punishment. It's should be decided by the courts.

 

It is when you are a child.  Do you plan on giving kids all the rights I mentioned? The right to drink? The right to smoke? The right to vote? The right to have sex with adults? You also ignored THAT part of my post too. Interesting.

 

ok, at 16/17 most kids, not all are smoking,drinking,being sexually active. There is why we have laws due to health, Sadly most ignore warnings and laws. In some states they are thinking of lowering the voting age at 16 to encourage young voters.

 

And you can "not buy" the science behind the human brain all you want. Doesn't make it not true. There are lots of people in this country who reject science because it doesn't fit into their narrow world view. Doesn't make them right...makes them ignorant. (Literal sense, not name calling.)

Next time I go to colorado(which is soon to see family), I'll mention that study to the victims of Columbine that Klebold and Harris didn't mean to shoot up the school. There brains weren't developed.

 

 

 

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