Topic : 12/06 Teacher Troubles

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Kids across the country are playing pranks and harassing teachers. Tericka, a high school science teacher who loved her job, lived in fear of her scandalous past catching up with her and getting her fired. Students eventually found out about her shocking past and the news spread throughout town like wildfire. Are other teachers taking her side, or do they feel her punishment was justified? How can she move forward? Then, Anna, an assistant principal, was harassed on the Internet when two students created a fake MySpace page alleging to be her. She says they completely attacked her character and need to be held accountable for their actions. Was this just a practical joke gone bad, or were these students out for revenge? Find out what Anna did to show these kids that some jokes just aren't funny. Could the mischief your kids get into end up costing you thousands of dollars? Talk about the show here.

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December 19, 2006, 12:22 am PST

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Well I didn't know slander and libel laws at 17...LOL...are you serious? You knew those kids of laws at 17? LOL And you knew the punishments for breaking those laws?

I am serious I knew the laws in High school, I was in Civics my freshman year, advanced civics sophomore year,  Problems of democracy (Laws and Politics)class my senior year. It's call paying attention in class. Plus 2 years of JuCo.

Did you not bother to read where I said that they DO deserve to be punished? I very much think they should be PUNISHED. Did you skip that part of my post, or just decide to ignore it

 

I didn't ignore the post. Your idea of punishment and my idea is two seperate things. I believe since this was off school grounds. There own time, parents computer in the privacy of there homes they perpetrated this horrendous act. Therefore the school isn't at all liable in punishment. It's should be decided by the courts.

 

It is when you are a child.  Do you plan on giving kids all the rights I mentioned? The right to drink? The right to smoke? The right to vote? The right to have sex with adults? You also ignored THAT part of my post too. Interesting.

 

ok, at 16/17 most kids, not all are smoking,drinking,being sexually active. There is why we have laws due to health, Sadly most ignore warnings and laws. In some states they are thinking of lowering the voting age at 16 to encourage young voters.

 

And you can "not buy" the science behind the human brain all you want. Doesn't make it not true. There are lots of people in this country who reject science because it doesn't fit into their narrow world view. Doesn't make them right...makes them ignorant. (Literal sense, not name calling.)

Next time I go to colorado(which is soon to see family), I'll mention that study to the victims of Columbine that Klebold and Harris didn't mean to shoot up the school. There brains weren't developed.

 

 

"I am serious I knew the laws in High school, I was in Civics my freshman year, advanced civics sophomore year,  Problems of democracy (Laws and Politics)class my senior year. It's call paying attention in class. Plus 2 years of JuCo."

Ok...good for YOU on that. Not everyone knows these things as it's not part of a normal high school mandatory curriculum. You're just being ridiculous.

"I didn't ignore the post. Your idea of punishment and my idea is two seperate things. I believe since this was off school grounds. There own time, parents computer in the privacy of there homes they perpetrated this horrendous act. Therefore the school isn't at all liable in punishment. It's should be decided by the courts."

When did I ever say ANYTHING about the school being liable?

"ok, at 16/17 most kids, not all are smoking,drinking,being sexually active. There is why we have laws due to health, Sadly most ignore warnings and laws."

So I take you are FOR kids being able to legally drink, smoke and have sex with adults? What age do you draw the line? What are your reasons for drawing the line at that particular age?

"In some states they are thinking of lowering the voting age at 16 to encourage young voters."

I have never heard this in my life. Evidence?

"Next time I go to colorado(which is soon to see family), I'll mention that study to the victims of Columbine that Klebold and Harris didn't mean to shoot up the school. There brains weren't developed."

Yes, because that is what I said. /sarcasm  I didn't say anything even remotely like this. Not even close. Do I really have to explain this AGAIN? And it's such a plea for emotion, trying to compare brutal murders by two (probably mentally ill) kids to an over the top prank by two probably very normal kids. APPLES AND ORANGES. I would say that if those two boys were alive they should probably spend their lives in a mental institution.

But yes, you go off and tell you wild story about the internet lady who think that teen who murder should be let off..because that seems to be what you WANT to believe I think. What I *actually* think matters little to you as it's not as sensational as your dramatic misinterpretation of it...



 
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December 19, 2006, 1:54 pm PST

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" Yhea...it does seem strange how everybody is saying they're not responsible for anything they do because their brain isn't formed yet but they are allowed to drive at 16!!! "

Wow..no one said anything CLOSE to that. I get so sick of people not comprehending. Just reading and knee-jerking away.

They are responsible...as responsible as a teen CAN be. THAT is the point. YES they should be punished, NO they shouldn't have their lives ruined.

Why do you see things in black and white terms? It's not that easy...somewhere in the middle is the answer. Make them learn from this so they don't do it again, but don't DESTROY their lives.

If you don't believe their brains are immature (as the science points out. This is well done science, not someone bloviating online) then why don't we let them drink? Smoke? Vote? Have sex with adults?

But it's very annoying you take one part of a comment and RUN away madly with it.
 I don't think their lives should be ruined either.  However, a lot of parents today are making excuses for their children all the time and when they hear  "their brains arn't formed yet" that's what they will be be screeching no matter what the child does.

I am sure YOU are a responsible parent and would discipline your child (if you have any) appropriately.  But, it's starting to become the norm for parents to make excuses for their children because they are "afraid" of them.  I work in a school office and I see this day in and day out.  It didn't used to be this bad.  Parents seem to be at a loss at how to parent so they leave it to teachers, school staff and care givers.  The only time they "parent" is when they are chewing one of them out because we don't "understand" their little darlings.  Then they walk away feeling great about themselves as a parent because they lit in to somebody and never pay any attention to the child the rest of the day.

Of course I don't expect young people to make the right decisions all the time.  Yes, I do believe their minds are growing and because of that they will make mistakes.  I made plenty and although I have the feeling you're much younger then I am, I am sure you have as well.  However, what those teenagers did to that vice-princple is deplorable.  That wasn't just a mistake.....that was malicious and vindictive and premeditated.

I never said their lives should be ruined.  But, if we start allowing them to believe we believe they are mentally challenged somehow.....I can't imagine the repercussions...

Destroy their lives???  Ofcourse not ....but punishment.....YES!

I am sorry I annoy you but it's how I feel.
 
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December 19, 2006, 5:59 pm PST

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 I don't think their lives should be ruined either.  However, a lot of parents today are making excuses for their children all the time and when they hear  "their brains arn't formed yet" that's what they will be be screeching no matter what the child does.

I am sure YOU are a responsible parent and would discipline your child (if you have any) appropriately.  But, it's starting to become the norm for parents to make excuses for their children because they are "afraid" of them.  I work in a school office and I see this day in and day out.  It didn't used to be this bad.  Parents seem to be at a loss at how to parent so they leave it to teachers, school staff and care givers.  The only time they "parent" is when they are chewing one of them out because we don't "understand" their little darlings.  Then they walk away feeling great about themselves as a parent because they lit in to somebody and never pay any attention to the child the rest of the day.

Of course I don't expect young people to make the right decisions all the time.  Yes, I do believe their minds are growing and because of that they will make mistakes.  I made plenty and although I have the feeling you're much younger then I am, I am sure you have as well.  However, what those teenagers did to that vice-princple is deplorable.  That wasn't just a mistake.....that was malicious and vindictive and premeditated.

I never said their lives should be ruined.  But, if we start allowing them to believe we believe they are mentally challenged somehow.....I can't imagine the repercussions...

Destroy their lives???  Ofcourse not ....but punishment.....YES!

I am sorry I annoy you but it's how I feel.
Ok...I apologize, I thought you were one of the "let's give them a criminal record and bankrupt their parents" crowd. My bad.

 
 
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December 19, 2006, 7:25 pm PST

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They know right from wrong yes, but they aren't capable of fully comprehending the consequences of such actions, they have poor impulse control. There are well done studies of the brain that show this.

Kids are kids. Should they get in trouble? YES. Should their lives be ruined for a childish mistake? No.

If they are going to be treated as adults in this situation they should be given the rights of adults, including the right to smoke, drink, vote and have consensual sex with adults.
 People with certain personality disorders also have poor impulse control (there are also well-done studies of the brain that show this). Should they automatically be given slaps on the wrist as well?

I did not advocate them receiving the same punishment an adult would face. Nor do I believe their parents should pay an exorbitant amount of fines for mistakes those young men made. The culprits should be given copious amounts of hard, grueling, tedious community service to put the fear of Law into them.

BTW, where I live they all would have the right to consensual sex.
 
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 People with certain personality disorders also have poor impulse control (there are also well-done studies of the brain that show this). Should they automatically be given slaps on the wrist as well?

I did not advocate them receiving the same punishment an adult would face. Nor do I believe their parents should pay an exorbitant amount of fines for mistakes those young men made. The culprits should be given copious amounts of hard, grueling, tedious community service to put the fear of Law into them.

BTW, where I live they all would have the right to consensual sex.
Who said a "slap on the wrist?" How many times do I have to say that I think they deserve punishment?

I don't think that community alone service would do the trick...I stand by my sandwich board idea....LOL


 
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December 19, 2006, 8:12 pm PST

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 *loves the sign*

Not just community service, eh? Perhaps a sound caning as well? Tee hee...
 
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 *loves the sign*

Not just community service, eh? Perhaps a sound caning as well? Tee hee...
LOL..nah...I don't even believe in spanking my own kid! LOL

But...I do think that humiliation of themselves would teach them empathy, which really is the cornerstone of civilization.
 
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December 20, 2006, 12:17 pm PST

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 I think it might be a good idea for their parents to take charge and perhaps have the  kids go to her house every weekend for say  a month or two and do yard work, wash her car, paint (if she needs it), etc. under supervised conditions of course.

This could serve two purposes.

I'll tell you a story, once when my son was around five years old he and his little buddy climbed up a neighbor's tree and grabbed all the avacados they could and smashed them on the sidewalk.  They were supposed to be inside his little buddy's house under the supervision of the father but that's another story.  Anyway when the neighbor came and complained to me I offered initially to pay for the avacados but she refused saying it wasn't a matter of money it was a matter of principle.  I agreed and came up with another idea, since it was just after Christmas (south Fla) I offered my son's services to help her husband take down Christmas lights, clean up the yard, etc. (as much as 5 yr old could do).  So when the weekend came I took him over there and sat outside drinking lemonade with the wife watching my son help do chores.

This not only was a form of punishment it was equally a very rewarding experience for him.  The neighbor man showed him how to do some things and the lady served lunch with milk and cookies and he ended up seeing them as "people" very nice people and not just grumpy old neighbors that wanted to get him into trouble.

I think if the teenagers would do something like this then....perhaps....they could see their vice-principal as a feeling, human, person and not just some villan that's out to get them.  They may even become friends (as much as they can be under the circumstances) and the day may come that they are truly sorry they did that to her.

...and if that don't work the sandwich board is a great idea too!!!!

 
 
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December 20, 2006, 1:25 pm PST

What an insult

If I were an intelligent high school student, i would find those people who think I was a child with poor impulse control just because I was a teen very insulting. They are in essence calling all teenagers, stupid and impulsive.

 

If a teenager hasn't learned right from wrong by his teens then blame the parents who didn't teach him.

 

Also, he should be blamed for what he does. Taking responsiblility is part of the growing up process.

 

Just because your kids were raised with poor impulse control, doesn't mean mine were. Mine are certainly smart enough not to do what those kids did.

 

Instead of raising a bunch of semi-illiterates who don't know what plagarism and defamation  of character is, try teaching it to them.  I knew what defamation of character meant at 12 and that is was something that could cause me a lot of trouble if I did it.

 
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December 20, 2006, 2:53 pm PST

ITA, but will these parents step up??

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 I think it might be a good idea for their parents to take charge and perhaps have the  kids go to her house every weekend for say  a month or two and do yard work, wash her car, paint (if she needs it), etc. under supervised conditions of course.

This could serve two purposes.

I'll tell you a story, once when my son was around five years old he and his little buddy climbed up a neighbor's tree and grabbed all the avacados they could and smashed them on the sidewalk.  They were supposed to be inside his little buddy's house under the supervision of the father but that's another story.  Anyway when the neighbor came and complained to me I offered initially to pay for the avacados but she refused saying it wasn't a matter of money it was a matter of principle.  I agreed and came up with another idea, since it was just after Christmas (south Fla) I offered my son's services to help her husband take down Christmas lights, clean up the yard, etc. (as much as 5 yr old could do).  So when the weekend came I took him over there and sat outside drinking lemonade with the wife watching my son help do chores.

This not only was a form of punishment it was equally a very rewarding experience for him.  The neighbor man showed him how to do some things and the lady served lunch with milk and cookies and he ended up seeing them as "people" very nice people and not just grumpy old neighbors that wanted to get him into trouble.

I think if the teenagers would do something like this then....perhaps....they could see their vice-principal as a feeling, human, person and not just some villan that's out to get them.  They may even become friends (as much as they can be under the circumstances) and the day may come that they are truly sorry they did that to her.

...and if that don't work the sandwich board is a great idea too!!!!

 

What a creative way to get the message across!! If a 5-y/o can get the point after that, it makes you wonder about these teens...

 

I must admit, I like the sandwich board, too...however, the legalistic nature of our institutions ("you do this, that will happen, period, no deviation") and the fact that the civil courts are or are about to be involved suggests that the time may be past for the parents and Anna to settle it among themselves. Clearly, she has decided to go after the "deep pockets," whether out of sheer frustration or spotting a golden (parachute) opportunity, I cannot decide. Since the courts are involved, I wonder whether a criminal or a civil court could or would impose such a creative solution.

 

BTW, I do disagree with Dr. Phil's suggestion that the matter be resolved "within the system." As has been mentioned ad infinitum on these boards, these darlings did their dirty work outside of school, off school grounds. If they had, instead, spray-painted the wall of a local furniture store with similar sentiments, I doubt that the owner of the building would be settling for a school-based punishment. No, s/he would be looking at the possibility of criminal charges (vandalism, criminal mischief?) if an acceptable settlement with the kids' parents could not be worked out.  That said, felony charges sound like utter overkill, even though the Internet was involved.

 

I'm gonna sound like an "old crank," but too many of our young people (you know who they are; they're in every town) walk around with the attitude (reinforced by their overindulgent parents, many times) that "because I've got $$, my s**t doesn't stink, and I can get away with whatever, cuz the parents will get me out of any punishment/consequences." Words/phrases such as "empathy," "putting others before yourself," "putting yourself in the other person's shoes," and the like are mostly (if not completely) foreign to many (but definitely not all!!!) folks under a certain age. Whatever happened to boundaries?

 

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