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Topic : 12/06 Teacher Troubles

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Created on : Friday, December 01, 2006, 03:22:29 pm
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Kids across the country are playing pranks and harassing teachers. Tericka, a high school science teacher who loved her job, lived in fear of her scandalous past catching up with her and getting her fired. Students eventually found out about her shocking past and the news spread throughout town like wildfire. Are other teachers taking her side, or do they feel her punishment was justified? How can she move forward? Then, Anna, an assistant principal, was harassed on the Internet when two students created a fake MySpace page alleging to be her. She says they completely attacked her character and need to be held accountable for their actions. Was this just a practical joke gone bad, or were these students out for revenge? Find out what Anna did to show these kids that some jokes just aren't funny. Could the mischief your kids get into end up costing you thousands of dollars? Talk about the show here.

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December 6, 2006, 7:57 am PST

Seeing two different sides

I'm sorry but today Dr.Phil seems to be two sided because on the first hand he is telling the first teacher she needs to move on and try to get a different job within the school system I don't agree I think she should be teaching because she is showing how anybody can change their life around what she did should not determine what she should be allowed to do today. And the school principle Dr.Phil say by pursuing her law suit against the students and parents will effect their life's for ever well thats tough if they have a felony record after this well they got what they deserve. Because I think both the teacher and principle should keep their law suits going and use up any means that it takes to receive the justification that they deserve.
 

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December 6, 2006, 7:59 am PST

this is so sad!!!!!

 
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December 6, 2006, 7:59 am PST

Taking it to far!

 These boys should be held accountable for their actions but not to the extent that the Vice Principal is taking it.  We all make mistakes in our lives.  The punishment should fit the crime and be age appropriate.   It has been all over the news, I would be more afraid of that then anything else!  Looks to me she just wants money!
 
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December 6, 2006, 8:00 am PST

parents need accountability too

   Watching how parents act today makes me think that its not only the kids who need to accept responsibility for their actions and be held accountable, parents need to be held accountable for their actions as well.  Actions including the abdication of parental duties, ignoring the signs their children are involved in negative activities, praising the child for aggressive behavior, adopting the "not my kid" mantra.     Many parents are more concerned with being their child's best friend instead of the parent; others just want to be left alone by their kids and give them material things to keep them quiet.

  I have teenagers so I am surrounded by this age group on a regular basis.  Many adults do not have the amount of freedom some of these kids have.  I have seen abominal behavior toward athletic coaches, teachers and other "forms of authority" with no consequences for the perpetrator.  I agree whole-heartedly with the assistant principal when she says that suing for $$ is the only way to get the parents' attention.  If $$ weren't involved, the parents wouldn't be "so apologetic" for their child's actions.  If the school made the child apologize in front of the student body or perform any of Dr. Phil's other suggestions, chances are the parents of that child would sue due to "mental anquish". 

 
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December 6, 2006, 8:02 am PST

Judge not unless ye be judged

 Think back to Mary K  Laterneu she was the first teacher to have sex with kids and she married  her student  and had his kids well since then the schools and the kids have gone like wildfire on Teachers and their sexlives, I agree if the Teacher is single and the student is 18 or over whatever happens after hours is their business unless the child is under age the do something about it and as far as what happened in the past shall stay in the past I feel like whatever happened years ago is dead and burried why dig up old stuff while you can live for new and better things live for the now and not then
 
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December 6, 2006, 8:03 am PST

Lots of Questions

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In defense of the kids these days, they have much more to deal with, usually, starting at home.

Have you ever read some of these childcare books ? "Don't trust your instincts " seems to be a big thing, trust the book, whichever one happens to appeal to you the most, so unlike even my parents in the seventies and eighties who depended on their instincts and parented  us, this days we are told that is WRONG, and the book will tell all, parents become confused about what top do and the conflicting advice and "evidence" we are innundated with is incredible.

Children are told as early as kindergarten that if Mommy or Daddy touches you in a way you don't like, tell us and we will have CPS or Social Services come see what's going on, even a teacher can get in trouble for patting a student on the back for a "Good Job".

Parents have given their power away, why I don't know, but we did.

Kids are coming from more broken homes now than EVER, Mom and Dad are BOTH working to make ends meet, it's NOT always a CHOICE whether or not to stay home now, and it makes it even harder for parents to keep a close eye on their kids, now kids being kids, especially teens, think back to that time, if you don't keep on top of things well we can a figure out where that can go.

There are kids who are going home to Mom or Dad passed out drunk or stoned on the couch, or Mom and Dad being "TOO BUSY" to talk give the kid some money and snd them on their way.

There are kids being badly abused at home, and lash out at ANY authority figure that they KNOW can't touch them.

Parents do have to take back their power with their kids, I agree, but where is the line ?  What constitutes abuse and what constitutes discipline, I've heard some saying that GROUNDING a kid is abusive, what is that all about ?

When Brittany Spears and Christina Aguleria  (?) have become our children's role models, or those horrid Bratz dolls that advocate being a fashionista instead of smarter than the boys, or how about the sports stars that have been charged for drug possetion or those rappers that glorify gun violence or the rock stars ( Marilyn Manson comes to mind) that glorify the evil in the world, we were in trouble.

Parents allowing their daughters  to go to school dressed like hookers in the name of fashion and freedom ? Give me a break. Or allowing their sons to walk around with their underwear hanging out, how about letting your teen get tattoos and body piercings whether you like it or not?

Did these parents LISTEN to that young woman last week ? She wanted to hear the word "NO" she wanted limits, children NEED them, so we as parents have to STEP UP and take our power back, I truly belive the really rotten kids are the MINORITY,lets start focussing on the MAJORITY of kids who might be just lost and confused, a lot like us parents at times.

I have lots of questions for you.  Why do you find it necessary to talk about a childcare book or books and not give any quotes or name these books? Maybe you could help someone by swaying them away from those books that have false information or information that may be making their situation worse.

Instincts have nothing to do with parenting in my opinion. Having preset morals and values are what I believe parents should be equiped with by their parents. Parents should be held accountable for not providing such things. How? You might ask. By having someone like a school phycoligist come and offer assistance for the family. Which I think it would be very benificial to both of these ladies and the families involved on todays show. 

I have had 2 of my 3 children go through kindergarten thus far. Each of them brought home a paper asking my permission for my child to participate in a program that will be teaching then about improper touching. I signed that paper both times giving my permission. When they came home they had a coloring book that had all the information I needed to help me talk to them about it also. I did just that. Parents have to get involved and build trust and moral values to let each child know that this behavior is wrong and they can trust you to protect them from it. Education is part of that protection.

Can you provide a news paper clipping or other form of evidience that supports your statement, "even a teacher can get in trouble for patting a student on the back for a "Good Job." ?"

You say, "it's not always a choice whether or not to stay home now." Are we as parents not the ones who make the decisions of how the family budget is set?

Are we as parents powerless when it comes to limiting our kids accessability to the down falls of our society? 

My answer to both of those are NO NO NO!

Parents have to be held "accountable for allowing thier daughters to go to school dressed like hookers."" By the school not allowing it. Sending the student home is not the answer. Calling the parent at work and bring it their attention is what has to be done. If that parent is lacking parental strength, then help must be offered and available. Also if that parent is uncooperative, then that parent(s) have to find another school for their child to attend.

We have to be willing to step up and stand up for all, not just one.

 
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December 6, 2006, 8:07 am PST

Teachers are teachers 24/7

I usually agree with Dr. Phil but this time I think he screwed up!  One teacher did something in her younger days that wasn't right anmd she has to pay for it but yet the kids did something just as bad in my opinion but things should just be forgotten.  I would love for my kids to have been taught by a teacher that made a honest living (not against the law), worked and left the business.  She could have sold drugs (I know teachers who have done that) or other things against the law.  In that case she probably would be a hero because she pulled her self up by her boot straps and she is street wise.

 

The teacher who is sueing the kids is also right, I believe.  With the schools today she can't do any thing about what the kids did within the school sustem because they did not do it on school property or during school times.

 

You must remember that teachers teach 24 hours a day, not just during time in a classroom.  I would prefer a teacher during this than one who goes out on strike, sells drugs, steal, or other wise acts against the law.  They are within their rights to have done what they did and I agree with them 100%.

 
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December 6, 2006, 8:08 am PST

Kids vs Teachers in today's schools

First, I would like to say that the message Tericka is giving the kids is one of transformation and new beginnings.  Teens and young adults make stupid mistakes (as profiled in both of today's stories).  They rarely take the time to predict what impact it will have on their lives and those around them.  That's why kids should never be treated as adults in the court system.  Kids need to know that their lives are not over because of their bad decisions.  Tericka is one of the few teachers in that school system that can facilitate change.  Being a guidance counselor would be an excellent venue for her at this time.  When God closes a door he opens a window.

 

Second, using the court system to punish teens for school pranks is not the correct venue.  My 12 year old son was prosecuted by the school principal, involving the local police department, despite objections by both sets of parents.  He had a crush on a girl and jokingly grabbed a $20 bill she was waving above her head in the hallway.  Both parties laughed, however, friends that were watching interpreted the situation differently and he was charged with theft (our school has a zero tolerance policy).  Instead of using this as a teaching opportunity, he was forced through the county court system.  Thankfully, we had a happy ending but I was sorely disappointed in a school system that chose to punish with a sledge hammer rather than educate with a scary ride in the back of a police cruiser and a good talking to. 

 

I agree with Dr. Phil that a public, and personal, apology along with community service is in order for the teens involved in this practical joke. 

 
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December 6, 2006, 8:09 am PST

With regards to Anna

As a teacher I whole-heartedly agree with the actions Anna is taking against the boys that wronged her. I agree for several reasons:

First, there is not an adequate way to deal with students who commit crimes in school. Students steal, destroy teacher belongings, purposely scratch their car with keys, flatten their tires and physically assault teachers, only to get a few days off from school where no parent will be home to ensure that the child stays there.

Secondly, the school tends to try to hide crimes to promote their reputation at the teachers expense. The teacher is expected to replace not only their own possessions as they are destroyed, but they are also responsible for all of the materials the school entrusts their students with, so when the students think that it is funny to throw calculators out of a second story window, the teacher is then responsible to pay for them when they break.

Finally, the laws of our government are there for a REASON! If we disagree with the laws, then we should fight to change them. Otherwise, our government very clearly states that those boys broke the law and should be held accountable. It is not the Assistant Princiapal's fault that the boys made their choice.

 

 
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December 6, 2006, 8:13 am PST

12/06 Teacher Troubles

I want to start by saying that I think this was a great show and I'm happy they have shed some light on the subjects that arose within this episode.

 

I definately think that the AP should follow through with the steps she has taken so far. I think parents should also be held accountable for these kinds of things. If they had been watching what their kids were doing better then it never would have happened. If they would have set up parental controls to PROTECT their kids this again never would have happened. If they would have really taught their kids about how to treat other people, and maybe showed their kids that they supported the teacher's decisions maybe their kids would have made better decisions. I think that by making these parents pay for what their kids have done also shows these kids that not only do they have to pay for the mistakes they make but when they do such terrible things they effect many other people.

 

I'm only 19 years old, so my opinion may not be taken seriously. But, I think my still being a teenager and feeling the way I do about the subject should really say something. I made my mistakes while I was in school and I did not always like the way I was treated by teachers but never did I think to do something so horrible o someone else. Maybe because I knew that lashing out wouldn't be justifyable and that more often than not my Teacher's intentions were for my own good. And, my parents didn't have to teach me that. These kids should have known from the start that they were going too far. I think they deserve whatever is thrown at them and I hope they learn from it. I think this is a message to other kids to think about things all the way through before they act on their impulses/ideas.

 

 
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