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Topic : 12/06 Teacher Troubles

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Created on : Friday, December 01, 2006, 03:22:29 pm
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Kids across the country are playing pranks and harassing teachers. Tericka, a high school science teacher who loved her job, lived in fear of her scandalous past catching up with her and getting her fired. Students eventually found out about her shocking past and the news spread throughout town like wildfire. Are other teachers taking her side, or do they feel her punishment was justified? How can she move forward? Then, Anna, an assistant principal, was harassed on the Internet when two students created a fake MySpace page alleging to be her. She says they completely attacked her character and need to be held accountable for their actions. Was this just a practical joke gone bad, or were these students out for revenge? Find out what Anna did to show these kids that some jokes just aren't funny. Could the mischief your kids get into end up costing you thousands of dollars? Talk about the show here.

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December 6, 2006, 5:11 pm PST

Disbelief

Normally I am with Dr. Phil on his assessment and judgment. However, I was totally taken back and extremely uncomfortable seeing Dr. Phil place an Assistant Principal (guest) on "trial" continually questioning her about the monetary damages she is seeking for accountability with her civil suit. I hardly equate "eraser duty" for a year or suspension equivalent to public humiliation of a school official. Students and their parents must be held accountable. Dr. Phil states that he is "pro teacher" - yet, I have never seen him take this same approach with a parent who has an active civil suit against a school/school administrator, questioning them in this manner. We live in a society who educational philosophy is grounded in "accountability." Couple this with the litigious society we live in - what does one expect?

 
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December 6, 2006, 5:11 pm PST

12/06 Teacher Troubles

Quote From: nanigirl

    Excuse me?  Did you see the whole segment?  Did you not get the part where they posted that she was a lesbian (not true),  included pictures and comments suggesting diviant sexual  preferences?  Did you not get that she was getting contacts that were perverted?  Wonder how you would handle this if it was your picture, name, address, job information,  and other private bits noted online for the world to see...and I mean the world, literally.  They did use the world wide web.  How do you suggest she get her life, dignity and sense of personal security back now that she has been exposed, falsely, to the world?  Hmmmmm

all those things suck. but how do you figure ruining a child's life is gonna get the teacher's life, dignity and sense of personal safety back? what she's looking for is revenge, not a way to get her dignity back.

 

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December 6, 2006, 5:12 pm PST

12/06 Teacher Troubles

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... my dear Watson.

 

Weak willed would be Anna sitting back, accepting the excuses for apologies, and letting the boys continue to be a detriment to society ... and possibly do the same thing to another teacher.  Which is precisely why the educational system is churning out pathetic excuses for adults in recent years.

 

She is the strongest women I've seen in a long time, to have the courage to stand up to not only the parents of the brats, but likely her school board, superintendent, community, state, and now nation.  She's doing the right thing for exactly the right reasons.

 

There are things in life that are morally and ethically wrong and the people that are brave enough to fix the problem are the ones I want.  Not the spineless creatures that sit in an office afraid to speak out.

I still believe that she is weak willed. Her motivations seem to be more out of vengeance than anything else. I don't even think it's greed -- I do believe her that she doesn't care about the money. No, she wants to ruin these boys life. What kind of educator sets out to ruin a child's life? I thought they were supposed to TEACH and GUIDE our students.

A strong willed woman in her place would have the courage to do just what Dr. Phil suggested -- make them do community service for a year. A strong willed woman would guide the students to do better in the future. A strong willed woman makes an example that other children can learn from rather than ruining the perpetrator's live and frigtening the rest with law suits and criminal charges.

The penal system in this country is not set to rehabilitate -- it is set to punish. We take away people's chances and their lives. It takes a strong person to find another way.
 
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December 6, 2006, 5:13 pm PST

Do not mitigate what they have done!

 

I have been a teacher for 35 years so I have a historical perspective. When I began my career this kind of harassment was unthinkable. These boys didn't just pull a prank. A prank is embedding a piece of chalk in the chalkbrush. What these boys did was extremely serious. Have we become so comfortable with our level of morality that we have sunk to calling this crime (And make no mistake, it is defamation of the most cruel kind) a prank? No one will ever convince me that such a simple choice should not have posed questions within them about whether this was right or wrong.  Their minds might be still in formation but they know enough not to rob banks and shoot people not to mention a whole host of activities and judgements all must perform on a day to day basis to function in our society.  Many are put into positions of responsibility such as babysitting.  And they do understand the various levels of gravity assessed for a whole host of transgressions. Our kids today are far more sophisticated than those of previous generations.  

The parents did not even have the common decency to ask for a face to face meeting to apologize to Anna. Well it's not too hard to see where the boys got their sense of entitlement that it's open season on teachers. And you guys; if someone had called your wife a lesbian slut, I would bet real money that you would have a few choice words to say to those parents. 

Further, I have taught many students who are just a joy to teach. God bless those parents. This is not a blanket phenomenon. But the atmosphere is changing and the percentage of incidents teachers have to deal with has escalated often to the point where teachers can't do their jobs. And I feel badly for those parents who have put the time and effort in. It is their children who suffer because of the too many parents today who haven't. I have always maintained that all taxpayers deserve bang for their buck.  

And to those who oversimplify this whole affair by suggesting that Anna is simply a money grubber and a weak teacher, you need a week inside our schools. I am often amused by parent volunteers who confide to me, “My God! I had no idea it was like that!” Well, yes, far too often it is! The harassment is rampant and something has to be done about it. There is no real recourse for teachers within the educational system and if hitting them in the pocketbook is what it's going to take then so be it! Believe me, if this were just about money Anna would not have subjected herself to the exposure of nationwide television. 

Anna! Do not back down! Stick to your guns! This has to stop! I applaud your courage! 

 
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December 6, 2006, 5:15 pm PST

Behavioral accountability

I am a high school teacher and have seen teachers who have been the victim of "pranks" by students and have been victimized myself.  Some pranks are innocent, but others are truly malicious.  Students feel that they can do whatever they want to teachers because they usually aren't punished to the degree that they deserve.  I disagree with Dr. Phil's statement that legislation isn't made in the court room.  A precident must be set.  Teachers, often times, aren't even viewed as professionals though we are among some of the most educated people in the country.  We are treated like glorified babysitters and are expected to raise each child as their parents would.  When we don't we are subject to criticism by the parent(s) and administrators often don't back the teacher for a variety of reasons.  We are out there by ourselves, unprotected.  Suspending students who pull awful pranks such as that in today's show usually aren't deterred by this action.  Students that do this sort of thing usually have a thick disciplinary file full of suspensions that haven't served as a deterant in the past.  Teachers get their cars keyed, their tires slashed, there personal affects in the classroom stolen, and are on occasion falsely accused of inappropriate behaviors in relatiation for being disciplined.  I worked with a teacher falsely accused of an inappropriate relationship with a student.  Though the student later recanted, the teacher's reputation is forever tarnished.  This must not be tolerated and handling it within the school system just keeps the problem quiet.  There needs to be a precident set nationwide that provides a more severe set of consequences.  How do we go about establishing legislation?
 
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December 6, 2006, 5:16 pm PST

these kids didn't physically hurt anyone

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sex offenders start off with this kind of stuff then move on to bigger things.i know my husband is a sargent.check the neighberhood watch dog site see how many sex offenders live in your area!remember these were you so called good boys too.ok so teenagers are not rational they still know right and wrong.kids are not kids anymore today,they are not innocent.i used to live in a major city and 6 year old boys were trying to hit on me with very lewed language.there were 3 and 4 year olds roaming the streets at night.gangs and we moved for that reason,a group used to collect at the end of my street these are kids 14 15 maybe.they kill ,rape,and so much more.so before you stick up for these kids think what would you do if  moved to your school and not punished and did this to your child! you would then be on the other side saying punish!!!i was sexualy harrassed at school and raped by a so called boy...i wonder what or who he is doing now!!! stop sexual violence.dont poopoo it.

                                                  angry bella677

and yet if we send them all off to juvie that's where they'll really pick up all that behaviors you're speaking of.  Are you suggesting we take the 3 & 4 year old that are roaming the streets and try them as adults too?  Of course not because they are KIDS.  No one did anything to any kid this was the principal & if she can't be called a name without going hysterical then she shouldn't be an assistant principal.  Writing naughting things is a far cry displaying criminal behavior & we're not talking about kids who are killing animals etc.  these are kids that were upset & lashed out without thinking & now they're going to have *adult felonly records* that will ruin their lives & end up just as you're suggesting because they really will be in & around the low lives.    
 
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December 6, 2006, 5:16 pm PST

Schools will not take a forceful stand

The problem with Dr. Phil's comment today with "let the schools handle it" is that school districts will generally do whatever it takes to pacify parents and avoid law suits.  It takes a long time to finally get any real action with students who disrupt the classroom or do something that is damaging to a teacher.  One needs documentation, documentation, documentation and then MAYBE action can be taken.  I am, quite frankly, and for the first time, disappointed in Dr. Phil's naivity with what really goes on.  There are, indeed, some schools and some brave principals, who will stand up for  their teachers , as long as the teachers don't give them any reason to do otherwise.  However, all too often, principals or upper adminstrators will crumble under the pressure of an unsatisfied parent.

 

And not only that, I have experienced that if some students detect a way out of self- responsibilty, via lying or stretching the truth to a parent in order to pass the blame on the teacher and take away from them, that student will milk it for all it's worth- if it gets the focus off of him/her.  That has happened to me, as a teacher of 33 years, and is one of the reasons I'm retiring early (at the end of this school year).  The rumor mill sometimes runs amuck and gets bigger as it passes on.  I have had parents accuse me of being mean-spirited, of saying things I have never said,  I have been accused of saying things that other teachers have said, and I recently have been accused of spreading ridiculous stories about nutrition (from the Dr. Lawlis book- our team is trying to try out his techniques).  I was told today that I am a language arts teacher- not a nutritionist- and that it didn't seem like I was practicing what I have been preaching (I'm a bit overweight, but not obese).  I was also told that I was teaching ridiculous things (we're getting it from Dr. Lawlis's book).  I suppose it's ridiculous when it comes from a teacher.

 

I feel like I am one of the lucky teachers.  My principal and vice principals absolutely support us.  And yet, we still have to defend ourselves at times and try to convince parents that what their child said is so, really isn't so.  Why should we even have to do that? 

 

I have had students in the past (when we had weak administration), actually set me up, and "win."  This period of my careet (3 years), inspired me to move on  with a new career plan ASAP. 

 

I love the actual job of teaching.  I love working with the students.  However, all the extra things we continually are forced to take on gets overwhelming, thankless, and usually leads to parent complaints.  Then, of course, it is "bad" teachers who are responsible.  Teaching used to be an honorable career.  Now it seems to be a point of distrust and scrutiny.  We MUST be accountable as teachers because we have a powerful influence on the students we work with from year to year.   However, what has happened is that we are always under suspicion of what the media has been reporting- education is failing.  Ergo- the teachers must be the problem.  We are accused of wrongdoing before there is any evidence of wrongdoing.  It gets extremely draining and ruins any credibility that we have. 

 

Thank God I'm getting out when I am.  I'm sad to do so on many levels, but I know my stress level will go down significantly once I'm out of the profession.  Oh, I still have to work.  Fifty-five is way too early to sit on my behind and not do anything else.  Besides that, I have moved to two different school districts once I moved from Nebraska, and I only have twenty years in Colorado.  Another - ERGO- I have to work.  However, at least I won't have to deal with parents, administration, and negatively moxy students anymore.  This is a sad commentary on our society, as far as I'm concerned.  It is also rather frightening.  Think about it. 

 
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December 6, 2006, 5:17 pm PST

You missed the boat!

 Dr. Phil - I have watched you since you 1st appeared on the Oprah show and have agreed you 99.99% of the time. However during the show "Teacher Troubles" I think you totally missed the point with the Asst Principal who had her personal character assailed by two students on Myspace. Once those boys posted the false personna on the world wide web it ceased to be "just a school issue." It crossed the boundry into the public domain seen by anybody on the planet with a connection to the web. My wife has worked in the local school system for 18 years, and trust me, there is nothing in their "rules" that would bring justice for this poor woman. Those boys and their parents deserve exactly what the justice system will deal out. And maybe, just maybe, it will serve as a deterrent to other students and possibly an example to parents who don't care enough to be involved in what their kids are doing at school.
 
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December 6, 2006, 5:17 pm PST

People do make mistakes

I believe Terika has proven herself to be a different person than what she was eleven years ago as many of us are.  Teenagers are going to think about SEX regardless if their teacher was a ex-porn star.  Look what some of our President's have done! Teachers are human just like any one, I am sure if you really did research on  a person applying for a teacher's position you'll find that not everyone is perfect.  Therefore, none of us should be in a position where children are involved RIGHT? I agree with Dr. Phil, porn is degrading and disgusting but she did it to herself a long time ago not to her students today.

 

As far as Anna, I really sympathize with her.  But honestly these kids are getting away with it, because the focus here is on money and making the parents pay.  None of us can be with our kids 24/7, I wish.  What lesson are they really learning here?  Mom and Dad have to pay for when I mess up.  I hope Anna does get some sort of closure to this horrible thing that has happened to her, I also hope she can find it in her heart to forgive and remember Who cares what people think  GOD knows who we are inside.

 
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December 6, 2006, 5:17 pm PST

Problem with the money

I am sorry but I have a huge problem with Anna Draker sueing for money. If the goal is to "feel safe again" I am not sure money will do that for her. Anna had all my support until the $$$$ and felony were brought up. This is all wrong in so many ways. This lawsuit offends me.
 
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