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Topic : 12/06 Teacher Troubles

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Created on : Friday, December 01, 2006, 03:22:29 pm
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Kids across the country are playing pranks and harassing teachers. Tericka, a high school science teacher who loved her job, lived in fear of her scandalous past catching up with her and getting her fired. Students eventually found out about her shocking past and the news spread throughout town like wildfire. Are other teachers taking her side, or do they feel her punishment was justified? How can she move forward? Then, Anna, an assistant principal, was harassed on the Internet when two students created a fake MySpace page alleging to be her. She says they completely attacked her character and need to be held accountable for their actions. Was this just a practical joke gone bad, or were these students out for revenge? Find out what Anna did to show these kids that some jokes just aren't funny. Could the mischief your kids get into end up costing you thousands of dollars? Talk about the show here.

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December 6, 2006, 5:17 pm PST

I agree

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What Are Defamation, Libel and Slander?

Generally speaking, defamation is the issuance of a false statement about another person, which causes that person to suffer harm. Slander involves the making of defamatory statements by a transitory (non-fixed) representation, usually an oral (spoken) representation. Libel involves the making of defamatory statements in a printed or fixed medium, such as a magazine or newspaper.

Typically, the elements of a cause of action for defamation include:

  1. A false and defamatory statement concerning another;
  2. The unprivileged publication of the statement to a third party (that is, somebody other than the person defamed by the statement);
  3. If the defamatory matter is of public concern, fault amounting at least to negligence on the part of the publisher; and
  4. Damage to the plaintiff.

In the context of defamation law, a statement is "published" when it is made to the third party. That term does not mean that the statement has to be in print.

Damages are typically to the reputation of the plaintiff, but depending upon the laws of the jurisdiction it may be enough to establish mental anguish.

Most jurisdictions also recognize "per se" defamation, where the allegations are presumed to cause damage to the plaintiff. Typically, the following may consititute defamation per se:

  • Attacks on a person's professional character or standing;
  • Allegations that an unmarried person is unchaste;
  • Allegations that a person is infected with a sexually transmitted disease;
  • Allegations that the person has committed a crime of moral turpitude;
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I realize most of us will say it was a prank. Prank or not, setting up a false my space profile claiming one that is a lesbian (which she is not),  two, a drug junkie (drug paraphonalia and references) this is all slander. we do have laws protect one's rights and reputation. If the boys becomes felons because of this so be it. If it was my wife who had been the target, I would go down guns a blazing to protect her rights when they were violated maliciously by a "prank".

For every action , there is a reaction. I heard all about myspace and alot of users put up fake profiles claiming to be celebs. But the difference is, are the fake celeb profiles contain any slanderous info that can damage them? In this case the AP had her reputation destroyed by two teens who didn't "know better"

 

I know dr.phil and robin had the same problem with people steal their identities to con people out of cash. I'm surprised by his blaissez attitude towards the AP.

I wholeheartedly agree with you...except for the part about Dr. Phil. I think his job as host is to present ALL sides of the questions.  I don't think he generally takes sides on his shows...he just plays devil's advocate.
 
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December 6, 2006, 5:17 pm PST

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Dr. Phil after watching your show today, I feel the first teacher should be able to teach.  What she has done to change her life should set an example to her students that they can overcome what they might do, that it might not of been the best thing to do and to think before they make a decision.  As far, as the other pompus ones that were on your show that were saying that teachers are at a high standard and now because of her past she shouldn't teach, in 1966 my Modern Problems teacher (male) got a girl in my class pregnant and nothing happened to him and he continued to teach for years after that!  Where is the high standards.  Get Real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

As far as the second teacher,  look at the first teacher,  these boys did wrong but it is okay for the teacher to be unable to teach because of her past but you say to ruin the one boys' life with a felony is wrong for something he did when he is young?  What is good for the goose is good for the gander!

 

Dorothy in Salem,Oregon

 
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December 6, 2006, 5:17 pm PST

messages that this is sending!

okay it's my first time here and please note that my primarly language is french....I'm troubled by that show...That girl overcame mental illeness, manage to get a degree to be a teacher(not your normal football coach or art teacher....!)in science!Educate and raised 2 or 3 children...and because she has made some  hard core porn movies(to get by with 2 children and undiagnosted mental illeness!)...she cannot teache anymore????because she is sending the wrong message.....!OKAY.....Now what are you saying to those(like the 2 twins that we're just send to rehab for drugs problems!!!)IT'S okay get better but this will follow you for the rest of your life(have a nice rehab session!!!!)

On another hand...pornography....If it exist it's because people are bying it......ask the owners of Penthouse and Playboys....This is where i stand...If the teennagers are looking for it  on internet........may be they've seen it at home.....in my young time the only boys who have access to playboys catalogues got them from home...and believe me, i've checked every corner in  my parents house to find one so my dad could be as cool as those boys fathers.....I didn't look too cool with them with the last issued of national geographic, popular science and popular mechanic........

 
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December 6, 2006, 5:18 pm PST

Poor analogy...

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What documented proof do you have that the Presidents daughters are alcoholics.  I watch a lot of news and have never heard anyone say that they are alcoholics.   But my main point is how do the presidents daughter even fit into this topic.  I don't remember them being mentioned even once during the show, this show was about wether a teacher should get her job back because she was in a porn movie years ago, not that the presidents daughters are alcoholics and they teach so this women should be able to also.  My first reaction about the teacher being in a porn movie years ago was "I don't want that person teaching my child" but after listening to the who show, I wouldn't have a problem with her being my teacher.  I would be more worried about the students that have the porn and what the parents are doing about that.

 

Also about the Vice-princpal filing charges against the students and the parents for creating a website full of lies about her.  Good for her.  To often parents will just cover up or make accuses for the behavior of the childern.  Also, the school can't do much to the students unless the web site was created at school off of a school computer.  This was done on their own and it wasn't a school activity. Once the kids out of school and any school activities, their actions become the responsiblity of their parents, not the schools.  The schools have no control over what they do at home, that is the parents job.

I agree--what proof do you have that the President's daughter's are alcoholic's?????  Are you in the Secret Service???  That is a poor analogy.  They have nothing to do with this topic.......but while we are on it, I would imagine you voted for the pot smoking, non-inhaling, draft dodging, & not having sex in the oral office president....try and stay on topic and keep politics out of this.
 
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December 6, 2006, 5:18 pm PST

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Exactly.

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Regarding the Anna Draker case:

 

1.  This is a case of libel, defined as:  defamation, a false and malicious published statement that damages somebody's reputation.

 

2.  Libel is punishable under law.

 

  It doesn't matter why the teens did it, where the teens did it, to whom they did it, when they   did it,  or how they did it...does it?"

 

 

I think those things matter immensely. shoplifting is punishable under law too, and shoplifting hurts store owners. that doesn't mean you arrest 6-year-olds for taking candy. all the factors have to be considered, not just 'was it an illegal action?'.

 
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December 6, 2006, 5:21 pm PST

Whoa ! Can't have it both ways !

It appeared to me that Dr. Phil was sort of walking the fence with the first teacher who did porn years ago. I sort of got the feeling he was saying, you did it, now you have to accept the consequences, and if that's the case then he should have said the same thing concerning the kids being prosecuted by the asst. principle. "They did it, and now must pay the consequences" and if that means going after the parents, then so be it.

 

These kids were intelligent enough to set up the site and old enough to know better. I heard someone say that  the teacher's porn pictures could be seen by anyone and anytime, well, here's a news flash SO CAN THE MYSPACE PRANK.

 

STOP !!  treating these smartass kids as children and stop letting them get away with breaking the laws.  

 
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December 6, 2006, 5:21 pm PST

Good for her

I am glad the assistant principal decided to file a lawsuit. They stole her idenity, lied about her,  slandered her (or is it libeled?), humiliated her  and Dr Phil wants them to do community service?! Give me a break! 

Well, Dr Phil - how about those people who were using your name and Robin's to scam people?  How about giving them community service?  You said on that program you wanted to prosecute them. 

 What if someone set up a myspace.com for someone in your family and posted stuff like that about Robin?  Oh yeah - just give them a slap on the wrist.

What they would learn from your "solution" would be : "We can do something that terrible and just have to do Community service!"  They need a much harsher punishment.

I am so tired of people NOT being accountable for their actions.

So what if they are teenagers - they need to understand that there are consequences.  What if the same age group assaulted or killed someone? Would you then say they are only teens - let them do community service. No, you would not. 

What they did was a willful act and they knew exactly what they were doing.  The assistant principal even said that not a single apology had been offered. They are only apologetic now that the consequences are staring them in the face.

You missed the mark on this one big time, Dr. Phil!

 
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December 6, 2006, 5:22 pm PST

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I am a teacher in Guatemala. I`m totally passionate for what I do, and I saw in that teacher a big desire to keep doing what she loves. It is totally unfair to judge her for something that happened so long ago, she deserves one more chance. God gives everyone the opportunity to start a new life and I am sure he can give her one. So who are we to judge her based on her past, I mean , If all of us were judged based on our past, wrong desicions and "hidden things" believe, none of us would be accepted!! I am sure many other teachers do wrong sfuff and the fact that they dont get caught doesn`t make them better than this teacher! yeah, being a teacher is being a role model, but in that time she was not a teacher.   I would like to talk to some students of her, I am sure they would say she`s good at what she does and she can use this experience to give advice to young ladies in her classroom, talk to them about directing their lives in a good way, reaching for their goals and everything. Come on people! look at the bright side of this!!!
 
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December 6, 2006, 5:22 pm PST

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I don't know how kids these days can deal with all they have thrown at them, but I sincerely believe that parents CAN mold their children from day 1 so that they are better prepared to deal with the world's evil and temptations and follow the right path to success and hope for their future.  When my girls were little, when they stepped out of line (ie: talking back or hitting their sibling) I would stop it RIGHT THEN AND THERE.  That behavior was squashed like a bug and they learned to know what was acceptible behavior and what was not.  All it took was for my husband and I to BE authority to them and speak to them in a tone that got their attention. 

 

Now that they are teens, they might step slightly over that line, but I pay attention and either I give them a consequence or they quickly back off knowing from experience that they need to find another way to express themselves or work out a problem or temptation.  Neither of them would ever dream of placing a myspace blog that would hurt another person.  They wouldn't do it because (a) if they were caught, they'd be in BIG trouble, and (b) because they have learned throughout childhood to protect and value others' feelings.

 

We have kept up communication so that, even if their problem is me, they know we can talk about them by putting all the cards on the table and showing what they feel is unfair and giving suggestions of how to change things.  They dont' always get their way, but they have the abililty to debate politely and be troubleshooters.  They are teens, learning to stand on their own, but I haven't stopped communicating, keeping track of their activities and whereabouts, and praising them when I "catch them being good".  Slowly Mom lets go as they become more independent.  My oldest has a job and drives there as well as to school.  My youngest has after school activites that I let her participate in.  I'm always there to catch them, but they are starting to walk that tightrope of life on their own and I truly believe they will continue to step out independently until they are fully there and they will be responsible and contributing adults.

 

I'm not saying all this to toot my own horn, but rather hoping that some new parent out there might see that this way works and do it themsef.  I sure wish every parent would be diligent, strong and courageous in thier parenting, or seek help if they need it.

Thank You for THAT,

My point being, and I was the only person on this board called on for not CITING books or websites by the way,

Kids have to deal with RAISING themselves these days in MANY more homes than we care to admit.

You are right about communication being SOO important, and ACTIVE supervision ( though we can't hold their hands 24/7 as much as we would LOVE to sometimes.

We have to trust ourselves, instictually, that we have done the best we can to develope our kids into productive members of society.

Kudos to you.

 
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December 6, 2006, 5:22 pm PST

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I can't believe someone making such a bad early choice to go into the porn industry would follow it up with an equally bad choice to go into education of adolescents knowing the ramifications. I fully support the school's decision - I know I wouldn't want my kids taught by such an induvidual. There are many places for a person to work where supervision and mentoring of youths is not a factor and that should have been her choice. I'm not totally condeming her porn background - just don't think it's good "credentials" for the teaching profession.
you should have the option of only having your children taught by people who have had privileged lives handed to them on a silver platter, if that is your choice. but you shouldn't be allowed to stand in the way of other people's children learning amazing lessons and having a relationship with an amazing strong woman, just because you don't want yours to. and you shouldn't be able to dictate an individual's career options because you don't understand anything about her past.
 
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