Topic : 12/06 Teacher Troubles

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Created on : Friday, December 01, 2006, 03:22:29 pm
Author : DrPhilBoard1
Kids across the country are playing pranks and harassing teachers. Tericka, a high school science teacher who loved her job, lived in fear of her scandalous past catching up with her and getting her fired. Students eventually found out about her shocking past and the news spread throughout town like wildfire. Are other teachers taking her side, or do they feel her punishment was justified? How can she move forward? Then, Anna, an assistant principal, was harassed on the Internet when two students created a fake MySpace page alleging to be her. She says they completely attacked her character and need to be held accountable for their actions. Was this just a practical joke gone bad, or were these students out for revenge? Find out what Anna did to show these kids that some jokes just aren't funny. Could the mischief your kids get into end up costing you thousands of dollars? Talk about the show here.

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December 6, 2006, 8:26 am PST

I'm with you!!!!

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Who are any of us to stand in judgment of anyone who has proven their ability in the profession they have chosen?  Which of us can say that we don't have something in our past that we are not proud of?  I would look at Tericka's teaching abilities and performance as it stands now.  The administration did not do an intensive background check, but hired her with confidence.  She has proven her ability to teach and had glowing reviews.  She made a bad decision when she was young, has been able to turn her life around and do something good with it.  Personally, I feel that anyone who can be on the wrong side of the tracks, pull themselves up by their boot straps and get on the right track, can do good.  Tericka could very well be the one person who could change the life of a teenager headed down a road she has already traveled.  Having been there, done that and gotten to a better place could probably make her a far better teacher than some in the system.  I would be 1 of the first to stand behind her and allow my kids to be in her classroom.  Experience always has been and always will be the best teacher.  
 I have traveled a road that had some bumps along the way....and I think this is such a sad way to treat a person who has struggled to make it in life.I was blessed with wonderful children and grandchildren(as shown in this picture) Isn't it ironic that students today can destroy a person's livelyhood.....and their self worth..by drudging up the past mistakes? They are the real losers...I so agree with you...It takes tests in life to have a testimony...She could have  a wonderful impact on alot of teens going down the wrong road.....Maybe the best is yet to come.....Maybe God wants her to write a book and go on the road as a advocate to help others who have a checkered past????She has gotten this far.....I pray she realizes she is forgiven just like Mary Magdeline was forgiven and was Jesus's dearest friend.......Experience IS the best teacher......and if you are the first to stand in line to let your kids be in her class...I would be right behind you...in 2nd place!(smile) Thank you for your input..I hope she reads what we all think....and believes that God will turn this negative thing into a positive thing.....
 
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December 6, 2006, 8:28 am PST

Assistant Principal Story

This is in response to the assistant principal, Anna, and her ordeal.  First, I would like to say how sorry I am for her.  MySpace is a terrible site, and I have yet to see anything good come from it.  While I can empathize with her about her fears and embarrassment, I have to say that, having two teenagers myself, it is incredibly difficult to constantly monitor your kids.  When they were younger, absolutely, but part of a child growing older also involves parents letting go and letting kids make decisions for themselves.  We can guide them and try to instill values, but we cannot control their every move.  They have access to the internet at friends' houses, libraries, aunts and uncles, etc.  It is impossible to watch their every move, and frankly, to do so would be a hinderance to their growth as an independent adult.  Children also have other influences on them when they become adolescents/teens.  Not only do the parents and their values influence their kids, but their friends, and even the parents of friends, have an influence.  Kids are faced with so much pressure to fit in and be "popular" that it sometimes makes even the best kids make poor choices (that need appropriate consequences) - again, part of growing and learning.  I am NOT saying this is an excuse, but I don't think they should have a felony on their permanent records when there may be other alternatives.  I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree that the parents should have apologized.  If it had been my children, not only would my husband and I made an appointment to sit down with the victim, but our teenager(s) would have to be there to apologize and ask what they can do to make restitution,and then they would have punishments at home also.  I most definitely would not take it lightly.  I can't believe that the school is not stepping in to punish those boys more seriously.  If the parent's have not taught their kids these kind of values, or if they have but the boy's still made the bad choice, the school should be there to reinforce good behavior and to punish bad behavior as well.   As to Anna's fear of forever being in danger, once the website is disabled, no one will have access to that information any longer, and as time passes and nothing happens I hope she will feel safe.  I can't imagine that any of those weirdos that would act on her information would keep it for later reference without acting on it right away.  Not impossible, but it just doesn't seem likely at all.  This is a terrible situation, and obviously highly emotionally charged.  Objectively speaking, I see points from both sides, as anything like this involving kids is messy and educators have huge responsibilities.  I hope the best for them all. 

 
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December 6, 2006, 8:31 am PST

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I think that if they are going to fire one teacher for being in a pornographic movie 11 years ago, then they need to look into EVERY teacher in this country's background and fire all of the teacher's who have made bad decisions in their youth! And why aren't they asking the kids? She said the kids knew about her past in December but the school didn't take action until April. So she was teaching them for 4 months even after the kids knew! And I bet she STILL got a great review! The past molds you into who you are today. I think her past has made her a better person, and a better role model. When I was in high school just a few years ago, I had several teachers who had been through things in their past and made decisions they regret but it made them stronger and more relatable for us kids. We learn more from a teacher we can relate to because we see them as real people and not these "people who are higher and bigger than us" Talk to the kids! They are the only ones directly affected by this. And i'm sure you'll find out that the past doesn't matter!

 

As for the teacher who was hurt by those 2 boys creating the myspace page. She should take them for everything they've got. I think she should sue the boys and make them pay, not the parents. But yes, the parents also need to be held accountable because they're obviously doing something wrong if their children are willing to ruin someone! Teenagers are mean, and yeah their reason isnt fully developed but if their parents were doing their jobs then they would know right from wrong. And they would've known that there are consequences to every action. Those boys should be sued AND be punished inside the school system. They should have to live with their decision forever, just as the Assistant Principal will have to, and her family will as well. Make them pay!

 
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December 6, 2006, 8:31 am PST

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I am currently in my third year of college, getting ready to become a chemistry teacher. In my past I had my children in high school. My son was born on my last day of my sophmore year and my daughter was born a month before my senior year was over. Because this is a bad influence on high school students, I was a teen mom so why cant they be, will I get this harrasment that she is getting for something in her past? I think that she has every right to teach, she went to school (and paid for it), passed her boards and is doing something great with her life! Why can't these things be considered the past and that is just what it is THE PAST!  

 
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December 6, 2006, 8:31 am PST

Tericka is better than some teachers I know

 Tericka should not be held accountable for her actions of the past. Especially when she is an exceptional teacher in the classroom. Do you have any idea how mentally abusive some teachers are to their young children? Yes we do need to expect more form the teacher in how they INTERACT with the students, NOT how they chose or have chosen to live their lives leagally. Parents need to be their own role models for thier children. Maybe if these children who purchased the porn had good role models in their family, this wouldn't be an issue. I can't believe that leaglly they can fire someone on PERSONAL values. Should teachers who have abortions be fired then? Those that drink on the weekend? Bad credit? How far does it need to go? It is her personal struggle, she has moved on. she should not be ashamed of her past but see it as a lesson that shaped the person she is today
 
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December 6, 2006, 8:34 am PST

YOU ARE SO WRONG !!!!!!

I AM OUTRAGED.

 

You are so wrong about the assistant principal.  She should be allowed to defend herself. The school system does not defend our teachers in any way.  I have friends and family who teach or have taught in our school systems and teachers today are sometimes in fear for their life.   Dr. Phil why don't you use your considerable influence and get the school system to protect our teachers?? If they are protected then I would agree that they should not sue the students.   Please reconsider your advice. Thanks for listening.

 
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December 6, 2006, 8:35 am PST

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 I think the teacher should be hired back, she should not be held hostage to her past, this is my opinion, we all make mistakes. We all need to check our hearts!

The teacher that was wronged on the web, I think should accept the students plea for forgivness, I think this shows true charecter and displays  a muture attitude, the teachers should punish the action, but also display a forgiving spirit. The life sentence is not a good example in my opinion!!

Again this is my opinion, and I understand your pain, but I think it has to be looked at from all sides.

I'm pretty sure that boy who wrote the letter...his mom probably made him (my mom would) and she probably helped him write it so he sounded "extra sorry" to make it good. If they wanted to apologize FOR REAL they would do it publicly, and to her face. Not in writing where good old mom has an influence on what he says. If it were up to him, i'm sure he would've wrote something like "sorry...but it was supposed to be funny. i didn't mean it" the usual teenage excuses.
 
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December 6, 2006, 8:38 am PST

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I have never voiced an opinion on line before. I am an ultra conservative, what most people would term a " very religious" person. With this in mind, I must state that I would much rather have Ternika teach my three teenage daughters than have Anna as their assistant principle.

Ternika atleast overcame her hardships and struggles and rose above the terrible "pit" her life was in. Even if she made the mistake of turning back to it. We mothers do some desperate things for our children. But Anna has displayed an unforgiving and unyielding attitude that makes life very difficult. Yes the boys did wrong and should "pay" the consequences of their actions. I feel the "damages" should be paid by the boys not their parents and should be not more than the children can earn and pay on their own. I hope Anna does not "reap what she has sown" with her own children. You find that you can only raise them not control them. Children will all make mistakes,some worse than others, in that the mistakes they make may cause pain and grief to others.

Forgiveness and the ability to move on with life will be their greatest lesson, although with both of these attributes there is still payment of consequences.

 
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December 6, 2006, 8:43 am PST

12/06 Teacher Troubles

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In defense of the kids these days, they have much more to deal with, usually, starting at home.

Have you ever read some of these childcare books ? "Don't trust your instincts " seems to be a big thing, trust the book, whichever one happens to appeal to you the most, so unlike even my parents in the seventies and eighties who depended on their instincts and parented  us, this days we are told that is WRONG, and the book will tell all, parents become confused about what top do and the conflicting advice and "evidence" we are innundated with is incredible.

Children are told as early as kindergarten that if Mommy or Daddy touches you in a way you don't like, tell us and we will have CPS or Social Services come see what's going on, even a teacher can get in trouble for patting a student on the back for a "Good Job".

Parents have given their power away, why I don't know, but we did.

Kids are coming from more broken homes now than EVER, Mom and Dad are BOTH working to make ends meet, it's NOT always a CHOICE whether or not to stay home now, and it makes it even harder for parents to keep a close eye on their kids, now kids being kids, especially teens, think back to that time, if you don't keep on top of things well we can a figure out where that can go.

There are kids who are going home to Mom or Dad passed out drunk or stoned on the couch, or Mom and Dad being "TOO BUSY" to talk give the kid some money and snd them on their way.

There are kids being badly abused at home, and lash out at ANY authority figure that they KNOW can't touch them.

Parents do have to take back their power with their kids, I agree, but where is the line ?  What constitutes abuse and what constitutes discipline, I've heard some saying that GROUNDING a kid is abusive, what is that all about ?

When Brittany Spears and Christina Aguleria  (?) have become our children's role models, or those horrid Bratz dolls that advocate being a fashionista instead of smarter than the boys, or how about the sports stars that have been charged for drug possetion or those rappers that glorify gun violence or the rock stars ( Marilyn Manson comes to mind) that glorify the evil in the world, we were in trouble.

Parents allowing their daughters  to go to school dressed like hookers in the name of fashion and freedom ? Give me a break. Or allowing their sons to walk around with their underwear hanging out, how about letting your teen get tattoos and body piercings whether you like it or not?

Did these parents LISTEN to that young woman last week ? She wanted to hear the word "NO" she wanted limits, children NEED them, so we as parents have to STEP UP and take our power back, I truly belive the really rotten kids are the MINORITY,lets start focussing on the MAJORITY of kids who might be just lost and confused, a lot like us parents at times.

I don't know how kids these days can deal with all they have thrown at them, but I sincerely believe that parents CAN mold their children from day 1 so that they are better prepared to deal with the world's evil and temptations and follow the right path to success and hope for their future.  When my girls were little, when they stepped out of line (ie: talking back or hitting their sibling) I would stop it RIGHT THEN AND THERE.  That behavior was squashed like a bug and they learned to know what was acceptible behavior and what was not.  All it took was for my husband and I to BE authority to them and speak to them in a tone that got their attention. 

 

Now that they are teens, they might step slightly over that line, but I pay attention and either I give them a consequence or they quickly back off knowing from experience that they need to find another way to express themselves or work out a problem or temptation.  Neither of them would ever dream of placing a myspace blog that would hurt another person.  They wouldn't do it because (a) if they were caught, they'd be in BIG trouble, and (b) because they have learned throughout childhood to protect and value others' feelings.

 

We have kept up communication so that, even if their problem is me, they know we can talk about them by putting all the cards on the table and showing what they feel is unfair and giving suggestions of how to change things.  They dont' always get their way, but they have the abililty to debate politely and be troubleshooters.  They are teens, learning to stand on their own, but I haven't stopped communicating, keeping track of their activities and whereabouts, and praising them when I "catch them being good".  Slowly Mom lets go as they become more independent.  My oldest has a job and drives there as well as to school.  My youngest has after school activites that I let her participate in.  I'm always there to catch them, but they are starting to walk that tightrope of life on their own and I truly believe they will continue to step out independently until they are fully there and they will be responsible and contributing adults.

 

I'm not saying all this to toot my own horn, but rather hoping that some new parent out there might see that this way works and do it themsef.  I sure wish every parent would be diligent, strong and courageous in thier parenting, or seek help if they need it.

 
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December 6, 2006, 8:44 am PST

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Oh no.  Let's not punish those poor widdle teenagers.  Their brains aren't finished growing yet.  They didn't know any better.  Yeah, take that one out on the lawn and you could fertilize 100 acres.  People like Dr. Phil don't give teenagers enough credit, nor do they make them accountable.  Those teenagers deserve to be felons.  That was a CRIME!!!  She deserves to sue the lacksadaisical parents as well.  God bless that poor lady for finally standing up to the little tyrants that rule the halls in school because teachers are unable to lift a finger to defend themselves.  We've made teachers completely powerless in the hopes that the parents will be....well, parents!  I got bad news for you folks living in dreamland.  Parents want to be best friends and buddies these days; they don't want to be parents.  In a perfect world, these teens would have been raised right before they had the foolishness to do such a stunt.  In this world, the only alternative teachers have LEFT are the court systems.  What good does it do to send a student home for a week to play video games?  Duh.  You dropped the ball on this one, Phil!  I say SUE THEIR PANTS OFF!  They'll NEVER do it again!
 I think that people who are not educated in in psychology or the brain should not be commenting on them in uneducated ways. It is a scientific fact that "brains are not finished growing" as Dr. Phil stated. I personally believe that discipline is needed, but this teacher sounds like she is benefiting from the victim role. They are children and she is "milking" the sob story too far. We need to remember that children will behave in risky decision making until around the age of early 20's at some point. If these teachers are not aware of this, perhaps the have been failed by their colleges or school system as how to deal with problem issues. It sounds like, as usual, their school systems have let them down.
 

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