Topic : 12/06 Teacher Troubles

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Created on : Friday, December 01, 2006, 03:22:29 pm
Author : DrPhilBoard1
Kids across the country are playing pranks and harassing teachers. Tericka, a high school science teacher who loved her job, lived in fear of her scandalous past catching up with her and getting her fired. Students eventually found out about her shocking past and the news spread throughout town like wildfire. Are other teachers taking her side, or do they feel her punishment was justified? How can she move forward? Then, Anna, an assistant principal, was harassed on the Internet when two students created a fake MySpace page alleging to be her. She says they completely attacked her character and need to be held accountable for their actions. Was this just a practical joke gone bad, or were these students out for revenge? Find out what Anna did to show these kids that some jokes just aren't funny. Could the mischief your kids get into end up costing you thousands of dollars? Talk about the show here.

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December 6, 2006, 4:07 pm PST

You missed on this one by a mile

I agree teachers in this country are very underpaid and under appreciated but as you said we should also be forgiving of those who have made a mistake, pulled themselves up by the boot straps and moved on BUT the parents should be held responsible for what the allow their children do on the internet.  One question I noticed you did not ask was if the child had internet in their bedroom or another room where adult supervision is not a constant "threat".  This is a great danger of the internet not only for what these students did but because the children can give too much information to pediphiles. 

 

You said on the show that children this age have not reached their full brain growth so if they should not be held accountable for their actions their parents should be held accountable expecially if the parents are not monitoring the child's internet activity.

 

This is called INFORMATION ASSURANCE.  Positive control over your child and his actions.  When I was raising my girls as a single parent, I tried to exercise positive control over my girls.  I moved back to my home town where I am known and liked as are my parents.  What my girls did not know was that in a small town, if it is noted the girls were acting out in public, either I or my parents were notified so we could correct the action.  I maintained internet access in the living room only for them to use to do their school work.  To this day, I do not allow my granddaughters free access to the internet at my home.  I monitor where they go, what they say, and what they do on the internet.  By providing parental oversight I insured my girls did not even think about doing what these children did.

 
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December 6, 2006, 4:07 pm PST

Students in the Wrong

I'm impressed that Tericka picked herself up, got an education and is now raising a family of her own. I hope she can find a new job in the teaching field, if she still wants to teach.
Her past is in the past. These students were in the wrong for watching porn.
 

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December 6, 2006, 4:07 pm PST

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first of all I am french Canadian to let you know

 

in 1991 1992 ther was a recession so lotsa peoples lost there jobs but only one industry had benefits during that recession and it was the the porn industries

so in my opinion I think that people are just hypocrite about that cause how can an industry can have benefits during a recession if no one is watching it ?????

 

I have a 5 years old and another one coming (29 of December) and I would be the first one to send my kids in Tericka's  classroom cause she above all has the experience of a hard life and misjudgment

 

I as a human being learn from my mistake so she does and she can scan those kids that are a possible target to that porn stuff

 

So in my believe of the fact that she was suspended with pay (laid off in a polite way)

the people that did it are just hypocrite and want to raise themself by stepping on someone else and that is low and easy

 

I was so frustrated when I saw the show that I had to comment

 

 

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December 6, 2006, 4:08 pm PST

Assisstant Principal, My Space

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Dr. Phil has it wrong when he suggests the kids involved should be handled "within" the school community.

 

One of my pet peeves is the "handling" of crimes against students, no matter where the actual crime took place, through the school system, rather than through the justice system.  I think that only school rules should be covered by school disciplinary action, and any actual crime should be dealt with through the criminal justice system. 

 

Do I think the teacher is going to far with her law suit?  Yes. 

 

Was the crime committed against her part of everyday school life?  No.  That crime took place in the real world, where anyone could see that her identity was stolen and misrepresented.

 

It's really no different than saying a student should have to go to detention for stealing a teacher's car.  It's not a "school issue" when the crime is real and/or it takes place in the real world.

 

Dr. Phil has it wrong when he suggests that "cleaning graffiti" and the like, is a fitting punishment for what happened to this teacher.  If a court decides that's an appropriate punishment, then that's one thing.  But schools aren't set up to mete out punishment for serious crimes like identity theft and defamation.  I wouldn't be confident that any punishment handed down by the school administration would adequately address the severity of the crime.

 

If this was a web site that was set up on the school's private intranet, that might be one thing.  But it wasn't.  It was out there for the world to see, and as such, the students that did it should pay the same price that everyone else would face, if we did it.  If they're lucky, they'll only have a juvenile record for their crimes...just like any other juvenile who commits a crime.  (In that sense, Dr. Phil is right.  Teenagers sometimes do regrettable things that they could learn from and not repeat, as adults.  Bad choices made in childhood shouldn't necessarily haunt an individual for life.)

 

There seems to be little support for the damage caused by identity theft, slander, libel, and defamation.  These are serious issues, as each of us only has our character and good reputation.  Once it's gone, it's nearly impossible to get back.

 

When Dr. Phil found out that a company was using his name to swindle viewers out of money, he took action.  Those criminals weren't even slandering Dr. Phil, and he still got all hot and bothered and took action against them.  This teacher is doing one of the only things any of us can do in a situation like this.  She's suing.

 

While I'm sure the students involved didn't mean permanent harm to the teacher (I'm sure they just thought it was funny), they need to be punished for the real-world crimes they committed.

 

I don't know what would be a fitting punishment.  I do think it should be decided by a court of law.

I too, am disappointed in Dr. Phil's lightness towards these kids who participated in this unthinkable behavior.  Granted, Dr. Phil voiced his admiration for teachers etc. but his answer to the consequences for these kids behavior was unacceptable.  Not to take this issue all the way to the top...the courts makes what they did a joke.  These boys knew exactly what they were doing and the damage it would do to this assistant principal and her family.  "My Space" is evil in alot of ways,especially,  when is used inappropriately as was done by these students.  This is a prime example of what is wrong with our kids today.....they get a pass for bad behavior, or some easy consequence that does not leave a lasting impression, therefore giving them license to repeat the behavior.  I am really surprised by  Dr. Phil's opinion that such a light consequence is enough conserves for these students.  It just doesn't seem in character for him

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December 6, 2006, 4:09 pm PST

Who will teach?

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and teachers have made theirs.  If they no longer wish to be a teacher they whould seek another profession then do so but don't do a job & then complain it isn't a piece of cake when you all knew it wouldn't be.  I know we all have a desire to blow off steam some times about work but it seems all teachers do is complain, complain, coimplain & I'm sure the cons are enough to curl ones toes but the plusses of the teaching profession are pretty darn good as was stated by another poster.  If a teacher is "truely dedicated to his/her students" then they wouldn't be so hysterical or always complaining about how they hate their jobs.  if it's truely "draining and challening" & you like that then do that job if not then move on & stop complaining &/or worse allow yourself to become a teacher that isn't really doing the job. 
 This is a really simplistic thought, isn't it?

So we should be able to put as much pressure, allow as much abuse, and in general overwork anyone because they choose to serve us? Teachers did make a decision to dedicate themselves to teaching. Holding your kid's head while they puke, listening to them talk about how they don't believe in themselves, boosting their esteem when the miss a goal, telling them to wear a skirt that actually covers their behinds, or smiling at them when you're having a terrible day. Those are the things that teachers do for kids everyday. Parents often don't have time.

I'm a teacher not a parent. I know what it takes to raise a child as opposed to living with one. It takes a lot of time, but you get all the perks- the hugs, the daddy! and mommy! giggles, the christmas mornings. In return, people should parent so that teachers can teach. Don't blame the teachers when you put so much more on them than they could have EVER imagined when they DECIDED to be teachers.

Let's make some policeman also serve as security guards or some politicians also come to my house to clean up after me. We don't expect other public servants to perform duties outside of their profession, yet we just keep loading teachers up.

So let them choose another profession. What you'll be left with is...  nobody- then who'll watch your kid for you? Laura Croft or Cartoon Network?
 
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December 6, 2006, 4:09 pm PST

12/06 Teacher Troubles

 I am a mother of 5 small children and only 25 years old today. So you could say I've had my mistakes and we all take a road that wasn't the best but if you don't take those roads it would bring you to the road your on now. I know a few girls who are strippers now or have been and no it's not the best life style but the girls that are not in that life style have made it pretty good for themselves. One of them is a RN at a nursing home. She paid for college from the money she got from stripping and other side jobs she did. I don't hold it  against her and let my children around her. The person she is now isn't the 17 year old girl that was scared and alone. That's my thought. Besides who are we to judge any one that had to make tough choices and my have made the wrong ones I think we all should give her the chance to grow and get over the past. Faithful watcher, Carla
 
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December 6, 2006, 4:10 pm PST

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I just dont understand how come they let kids rule the schools nowdays.    When i was in school if you got into trouble you had to pay for it.   Now the kids get smacked on the hands and turned loose to do what they want, say what they want, and dont ever have to pay for the conciquences of their mouths.    There is no respect for the teachers or any of the staff half the time, because they dont know how to show respect.    Kids now days has no respect for their elders or even for themselves.    I believe the whole problem started when the lady stuck her nose in and told them to take prayer out of school.      I hope the teacher that is having problems will stick it out and i hope she takes the kids and their parents to court for defimation of character.     You know what we do in our past should stay in our past.     Did God not forgive us of our transgressions and sins.     Like the good book says " Judge not lest ye be judged"

     On behalf of myself and other teenagers, not ALL teenagers have "no respect for their elders or even for themselves" ,"because they dont know how to show respect.", etc. I think that you would be extremly surprised at how considerate, polite, mature, and RESPECTFUL teenagers are. Yes, there are a small few that are rude, immature, and disrepectful, but their actions should not be made into a generalization for ALL teens. Teens are much like adults, we all have busy lives. Some of us teens have busier lives than most adults! You would be surprised by all the moral decisions that we have to make on a daily basis. The expectations that adults, parents, family, friends, peers, colleges, and even ourselves are set so high, that when even the littlest mistake is made, we get torn down for "not trying hard enough" or "not being good enough" or "not up to standards" etc. Face it, nobody is alike. No teens are the same, by any strectch of the imagination.  Some teens may lash out or disobey rules because they want attention, because they are not getting it anywhere else. Maybe they are really stressed out. There are so many factors that go into the reasons why we behave the way we do, and i dont think that any adult can say that they haven't gotten angry, lost their tempers, or broke some rules in their adult life. You have probably broken rules yourself, probably even some at your workplace. We do pay for our consequences, for some of us it just takes us longer to realize our mistakes to learn from them. We pay for them with our grades, our social lives, whether or not we get into the college of our choice, we pay for them at home. For me, I have a HUGE guilty concious. So if i do something wrong, i feel it. I feel literal pain for what i did, and it doesnt go away for a long time, depending on what it is that i did. Some people may have bottled up emotions and have no other way to release them. Yes, i agree that some punishments are not harsh enough. I mean, AIA? So i've never been there myself, but seriously. Going to a trailor outside doing work you probably would have had to do anyway? They're probably just talking to people there anyway. In many ways, including the way you responded about how teens have no respect etc etc, i find to be disrespectful to the teenagers! We all need respect, its not all for the elderly.  Personally, i dont know what prayer in school has to do with any of it. Just because schools dont tell you that its time for prayer or whatever, really has an effect on our respect and behaivoir. There still is prayer in schools, i see it everyday! During the moment of silence, before a big game or test, at FCA meetings, its every where. Just because it's not publically announced doesnt mean that it is completly removed from schools. Believe me, it is there. Again, you would be surprised at how much faith is in schools. Not just christian faith, but faith of all kinds.

    I hope that I did not come off as "disrepectful", and i hope that i have changed your views on teenagers because i can assure you, not all teens are the way you described. Most i would say, are the complete opposite. While while we're speaking in generalities, most are VERY polite and respectful. Please just be more considerate of people when talking about them, because in this situation anyway, someone has been offended by such cruel(okay, maybe thats a stronger word than i was looking for, but it will get the point across anyway) generalization. Thank you.


P.S. ~ see? respectful teenager! Noooo....who woulda' thunk it? =)
           There is alot more to people than what you would think.
 
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December 6, 2006, 4:10 pm PST

12/06 Teacher Troubles

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Well said.

 

In my opinion, you are absolutely right. This is not a "poor little kid" situation, and the slap on the wrist, in my mind, reaffirms that this society has gone soft on morality. The "not fully grown brains" is no excuse either. They knew what they were doing, and that's the bottom line.

I agree.....well said.  Letting these students get a slap on the wrist will serve no one......least of all them.   Schools rules have be castrated by the civil rights agendas and the result is what we have before us now.
 
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December 6, 2006, 4:10 pm PST

She fails to understand...

My heart goes out to the teacher. It's hard when you've made a judgement in your past that turns out to be a mistake. With pornography and the internet she needs to understand it is out there forever.

She claims she will never feel safe unless these kids are 'felonized'  into the system but that won't remove the fact that for the rest of her life, wherever she lives, wherever she travels she will always run the risk of being 'that porn girl'. welcome to the digital age.

It sucks, but it's the reality of the world we live in. Take strength in knowing you did nothing wrong, you were in a tight spot and did what you thought you had to.

Dr P's ideas of graffiti removal etc are a much more appropriate directed punitive solution. IMHO.

 
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December 6, 2006, 4:11 pm PST

future sex predetors in the make

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"Who CARES if that "boy" will carry his Felon Conviction around the rest of his life? "

 

I'm sure his parents do!  I'm sure he will when he can't get a JOB & ends up in the system with us allhaving to pay for them because they can't make a living & all because they called the teacher a naughty name?!  Who said anything about these kids not having consequences?  Who said anything about them suffering a slap on the wrist?  Unless their lives are runined until they're 40 they're just getting a slap on the wrist? 

 

If kids should be gone after in court & punished like adults then they should have all the privies of an adult too right?  Do you think they're brains are big enought to vote, to say they want a beer, to have sex, get married, or join the army?  Of course not because they are KIDS & they are not RATIONAL.  Are you going to say that you never wrote anything or said anything as a teen that was mean ever? 

 

You say that you're sure these KIDS "won't be truamatized!!"  You seem all knowing & what are your credientials to make such a statement?  As someone in the Justice system you MUST know that the juvinile system was created for a reason NO?  Perhaps it was because kids are not thinking adults?!  You say that as a teen your grandson was held accountable for his acctions when he did wrong & spend time grounded?  For what & what would you have done if whatever he was being punished for was going to become a FELONY on his record until he was 30 or 40 yrs. old?  Even if it's just into his 20's it's effect his career & future & really even just going down to juvinile haul & held there a good kid being taught a lesson can learn all sorts of new HORRIBLE things down there.  but you're in law enforcement & should know this right?  Suppose you're punishment was besides the point & from outside your family another said "he did wrong & now he's gonna pay" & they entend to ruin him.?  would you just look at him & say "oh well who CARES?"

 

sex offenders start off with this kind of stuff then move on to bigger things.i know my husband is a sargent.check the neighberhood watch dog site see how many sex offenders live in your area!remember these were you so called good boys too.ok so teenagers are not rational they still know right and wrong.kids are not kids anymore today,they are not innocent.i used to live in a major city and 6 year old boys were trying to hit on me with very lewed language.there were 3 and 4 year olds roaming the streets at night.gangs and we moved for that reason,a group used to collect at the end of my street these are kids 14 15 maybe.they kill ,rape,and so much more.so before you stick up for these kids think what would you do if  moved to your school and not punished and did this to your child! you would then be on the other side saying punish!!!i was sexualy harrassed at school and raped by a so called boy...i wonder what or who he is doing now!!! stop sexual violence.dont poopoo it.

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