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Topic : 12/06 Teacher Troubles

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Created on : Friday, December 01, 2006, 03:22:29 pm
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Kids across the country are playing pranks and harassing teachers. Tericka, a high school science teacher who loved her job, lived in fear of her scandalous past catching up with her and getting her fired. Students eventually found out about her shocking past and the news spread throughout town like wildfire. Are other teachers taking her side, or do they feel her punishment was justified? How can she move forward? Then, Anna, an assistant principal, was harassed on the Internet when two students created a fake MySpace page alleging to be her. She says they completely attacked her character and need to be held accountable for their actions. Was this just a practical joke gone bad, or were these students out for revenge? Find out what Anna did to show these kids that some jokes just aren't funny. Could the mischief your kids get into end up costing you thousands of dollars? Talk about the show here.

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December 6, 2006, 11:03 pm PST

12/06 Teacher Troubles

Quote From: mizgray

I was never here for an argument legitimate or otherwise,  just posting my opinion which i am entitled to just as you are yours..     The point is kids are going to feel certain things are acceptable, if they know their teaher has done it.   Porn is not acceptable to some of us.

I DO NOT THINK PORN IS ACCEPTABLE, I AM A CRISTIAN WOMAN WITH 3 KIDS AND I ATTEND CHURCH REGULARLY

 

HOWEVER I DO BELIEVE I DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO JUDGE ANYONE, HER, YOU OR MY NEIGHBOR.  I DO BELIEVE IN FORGIVNESS AND THAT A PERSON CAN CHANGE THEIR LIFE AROUND.  

 

I JUST THINK YOU COULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF HOW TO TURN YOUR LIFE AROUND WHEN YOU FEEL THERE IS NO WAY OUT AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE ALOT OF YOUNG ADULTS OUT THERE THAT FEEL THAT WAY, AND I DO BELIEVE THATS WHAT LEADS TO DRUG USE AND SUICIDE.......

 
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December 6, 2006, 11:04 pm PST

12/06 Teacher Troubles

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Anna has suffered no more then any other public shcool teacher.  Should teachers take every student to court who have embarrassed or pulled pranks on them???  Come on, grow up Anna! This kind of thing happens every single day and good, caring and COMPASSIONATE teachers find other ways to deal with the problem. Why didn't Anna FIRST try some of the many ideas Dr, Phil had for teaching these kids a lesson? She wants MONEY!!!  And she wants to ruin the life of a child for REVENGE!  The sad thing is that these 2 things will not make her feel better nor will they allow her to move ON....

 

As to her being afraid??? Was she attacked physically? Was she threatened? She never gave a single reason as to why she was so afraid.  Her pride was hurt and she was embarrassed...............I'm sorry but BIG DEAL! She CHOSE to work in the public school system. Embarrassment and damage to ones pride is par for the course in that enviroment.  Maybe she would be better off teaching at a daycare. 

 

I am not trying to be insensitive to Anna and I don't think what the students did was okay by any means. There should be appropriate punishment and amends made to Anna. But she is taking this whole thing to far. To the EXTREME! As a victim of physical violence I didn't have the bitterness and revenge that is in Anna's heart even after a brutal rape and stabbing. I choose to forgive! Only then could I move ON...........................

I disagree with your statement that this kind of thing happens every day-----------where exactly is it happening everyday????????
 
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December 6, 2006, 11:06 pm PST

12/06 Teacher Troubles

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"I'm only 25"  

 

You have no experience & don't know what you're talking about.   I do I've raised some.  Are you saying that at 25 yrs old. that you think all the things you did as a 16 yr. old was right?  Are you saying you didn't do anything that you knew was really reckless or mean?  Mean kids are as old as time.  Teens are just plain born angry & always ready for a fight vergally & some physically.  You no longer relate because you're no longer a teen & think like an adult!  & here we have the difference between a 16 or even an 18 yr. old & a 25 yr. old.  This is why you can have a drink & they cannot! 

 

With that said..................

 

No one said they didn't know the damage they were causing or that they should not be held accountable we just don't think they should have to be charged as a felon for calling the assistant principal a lesbian.  She needs to get a grip & if she thinks that's bad just wait till her own kids are old enough to say what they really think.    I know a pricipal who daughter tells her to F off on a regular basis, has broken mirrors etc. & is now *labeld ADHD*.  I could have told her when the kid was 4 & she was letting her just go reckless abandon that this kid was gonna be out of control but of course she was an educator!  Just because 1 is a paid professional doesn't mean they're a good one & can handle a kid. & when they turn to teens they're just completely out of control then. 

 

As for your change in careers that was your choice!  If you've got an attitude going in those kids will eat you alive & have been since *I* was in school many years ago.  I reemmber 1 teacher who was made to cry on a daily basis & some times more than once a day.  Same students in different classes were just fine.  If it's too hot in the kitchen then get out. 

 

Oh & last but not least

 

"They know more about everything than most of their parents do"  No they don't they just think they do.  Someone who still thinks this IMO is still very immature in their thinking as well because you're still thinking like them  :)  sorry & don't worry it'll go away 

What are YOU talkin about?    Most people arn't sayin a freakin thing about the lesbian part.  What  they did was a crime.  It is called Identiy theft.   ANd that they put it on the web with her address where she worked and the lies they said about her.  

Are YOU THAT NIAVE to think that some sicko won't come after her?   I think YOU need to grow up and come out into the real world.

I have raised and raising my kids.   My last one is a Teenager And I am tellin YOU and eveyrone else if my child did anything like that I would expect her to be punished.  Because it is a CRIME.   Don't you people get it. These kids commited a Crime.

I was raised that If you commit a crime you pay the time.   Thank GOD for the parents i had.  They were tough but i learned.  And I learned to respect people. To respect My teachers.  To respect the law even when it don't work. 

I hope and pray every day that i am teachin my kids to be the same. 

These boys and their parents should be held accountable for what they did.  The parents because even if they thought they had a good kid.  It shows they didn't. And they didn't teach them morals.


 
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December 6, 2006, 11:14 pm PST

yes but

Quote From: mizgray

I was never here for an argument legitimate or otherwise,  just posting my opinion which i am entitled to just as you are yours..     The point is kids are going to feel certain things are acceptable, if they know their teaher has done it.   Porn is not acceptable to some of us.

while porn isn't acceptable to you the concern for where they got the porn in the first place seems to be of no concern at all?  Yes we are all entitled to our opinion but the fact is that this woman is going to loose her job because of an error in judgement 10 yrs. ago. 

 

If one of my boys came home & said "there's a pron movie that everyone has seen with the science teacher in it."  My concern wouldn't be the teacher in the class but where they got the porn, is there more, when are theyfinding the time (that mine would no longer have) to watch this porn & who is suppling this pornography.  The *last thought would be the teacher & THEN it would be a conversation that I would have with my own kid about how much trouble this has called, how it has been such a disruption to her life 7 is demeaning to her now.  I'd absolutely use this as a catalist just as I would use other things to voice my opinion on things.  We need totalk to our kids about this stuff so they actualkly have us voicing our opinions & giving them a view point prior tothem just having it in their faces as adults & then unable to know how to deal with it. 

 
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December 6, 2006, 11:17 pm PST

who is really sending a bad message?

I hear people expressing concern about the message it sends if a teacher used to be a porn star. I think that the fact that she went from a homeless porn star to an educated successful woman is a message that if you work hard you can overcome anything.  I believe the school is sending a bad message by firing her because they are saying to the kids that if your in a bad situation like that there is no way you can better yourself, that no matter how hard you work to get your education and have a good career you can never overcome that.  As for the boys who posted the my space page I don't think they should be charged with a felony, but I definitely think that they should be punished in court.  What they did was unacceptable and the fact that they are teenagers is not an excuse, and it irritates me that anyone would say that it is.  Teenagers are perfectly capable of understanding how wrong that was.

 

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December 6, 2006, 11:28 pm PST

Teacher troubles

I don't post to the boards too often, when I do, it's  because something has really "gotten" me.  What "gets" me about these two cases is the lack of "reasonableness" -- the level of inflexibility.  In the first teacher's case, I believe the school board is not  being reasonable.  To hold something someone did when they were young and stupid, broke and ill against them after that person has completely changed their life and *proven* herself to be a good teacher strikes me as unreasonable and inflexible.  I go with the argument that she is most likely able to be a better "role model" for kids to really demonstrate to them, "This is what your life could be like without an education... this is what you can achieve if you educate yourself."  There's an old saying, "If you can't be a good example then at least serve as a horrible warning."  (And by the way, her attorney was right -- whatever boys had copies of these old videos and were passing them around, should spend a week or two in detention themselves.  Personally, I was much more offended by this than the knowledge that a teacher performed in them 11 years ago.  I would be *livid* if my son were passing around pornography videos, whether a teacher was in them or not!)

 

With regard to the second teacher, she struck me as a cry-baby.  OK, what she had perpetrated on her wasn't very nice, but I think Dr. Phil was exactly right when he said, "Do you really think that a felony conviction and the loss of some basic rights, such as the right to vote, the right to hold certain jobs, etc., for the rest of their entire lives really fits the crime?"  She replied, "Absolutely."  Give me a break. 

 

Dr. Phil was also right that consequences for their actions such as standing up in front of the entire school at an assembly and having to apologize, and cleaning up the school for a year, and other, rather "humbling" jobs would be much more effective for these kids than taking them to court and suing them.  This woman just struck me as wanting to hang on to her pain and not try to move on.  "I just want to feel safe again."  Oh boo hoo. 

 

One can only hope that inflexible, unreasonable people are dealt with in the same manner if they ever should make a mistake.  I hope that Anna lives an absolutely *exemplary* life for the rest of her entire life and makes absolutely no mistakes.  If she does, she certainly shouldn't be cut and slack, and the consequences should far outweigh whatever mistake she makes. 

 

 

 
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December 6, 2006, 11:29 pm PST

12/06 Teacher Troubles

Quote From: mizgray

If you used to teach then there is no way i should need to help you understand how impressionable young girls are,  you of all people should know this, mind you this women did it twice and then blames it on being bipolar, that makes it all right..

I think you are giving a teachers impression on their students way more power than it actually has.  Girls are not going to jump in front of a camera and rip their clothes off because they found out that their teacher did a porn movie over ten years ago. It is not like she is doing porn now, this woman decided to work hard to get her education and become a successful career woman and that sounds like a good role model to me.

 
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December 6, 2006, 11:30 pm PST

those aren't the hours of the teachers here

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I think you need to do a little more homework on teachers.  I have two children that are teachers.  They get to work at least an hour before school starts, have meetings several days a week afterschool, come home and still have lesson planning and grading, not to mention the weekend science and math fairs.   I doubt if they make minimum wage when you consider all the hours they put in.  It is one of the lowest paying professional jobs for the amount of schooling necessary, plus all of the continuing education required to move up on the pay scale.  Dr. Phil got one thing right when he said they are overworked, underpaid and under appreciated.  If you are so unhappy with the school system,  home school your children.   

I don't think I've ever heard of them attending meetings after school here.  Some of the teachers will stay for after school help on a regular basis & they get paid extra for it like being an advisor for extracurricular activities.  but if they're not getting paid extra you normally here  "I'm not contractually obligated" through their union they don't do it & that includes the math & science fairs.  The teachers here in Jersey get 2 months off in the summer & yet get paid for 12 months! 

 

Now with all that said for the most part I find teachers to be really dedicated & willing to go out of their way to help the kids etc.  I've 3 sons & between them all I think it was maybe 3 teachers over all their school years. that I'd had a problem with & once made clear of what I was willing to do, what the teacher expct & what I expected we'd make it through the year ok.  I've seen where a teacher can reall wreck a kid.  I couldn't *EVER* imagine teaching teenagers.  but boy in the summer when my girl friends use to get to sit on the beach with their kids they were surely grateful for their teachign position. 

 

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December 6, 2006, 11:30 pm PST

My Space and the principal

Principal Anna certainly seemed very upset by what the boys "created" on My Space.  We, of course, did not see all that was said on the site, so we can not fully understand why she now lives in fear.  These boys were wrong to do this, and it was beyond the usual "teenage prank".

But, for her to take them to court and charge them with a felony is also beyond the usual response.

I am a parent of three children.  My youngest is 15 years old.  I am familiar with My Space because I DO monitor what my child is doing.  But the very nature of blogging lends itself to a "fantasy" way of thinking. 

Just as Road Rage occurs to some drivers that are normally very kind, and civil, the annonymity of being in a car seems to protect the driver into feeling emboldened to let out their frustration and anger, at that other annonymous driver, by flipping the bird!  Sometimes the response is worse, of course.  None of this is appropriate, but these are adults behaving this way!

Now, you put that feeling of annonymity on My Space, and the feeling that they can say anything, and couple that with peer pressure, or a "gang mentality" on the internet, and you have teenagers that cross the line, or many lines!  They do it for laughs, or to try to impress other students, or to release frustrations.  But, like Dr Phil said, they cannot predict the consequences to their actions, especially in this "protected" and "annonymous" environment, like My Space. 

This does not excuse what they did.  But to classify this as a felony is wrong.

Principal Anna is in a position to try to bring out the best in children, even when they make very poor choices.  She has been professionally trained to do this. She seems to have dropped the philosophy of trying to bring out the best in these students.  Labeling a student as a felon for the rest of their life is highly destructive.  It would not accomplish anything.  It would only destroy, which I am sure, is not why she got into this profession.

But now, she is focusing only on herself.  She is not concerned anymore with what is best for the student. I would think that she would understand the mentality of teenages, and the nature of My Space, and not be destroyed by a blog that even the kids understand is usually fantasy and made up.  If she is afraid because she appears on My Space, with info that probably is very obviously written by a teenager, then why is she not afraid to be even more exposed on national TV, on the Dr Phil show?  (On My Space, the kids write with improper spelling and grammar. It would be obvious that kids wrote all that stuff about their principal.  A principal would be able to spell!!)

If she wants to not be afraid anymore, she should know that she needs help with that.  No monitary judgement will do that.  Nor will destroying these teens' lives do that.  She was crying at the end of the show.  Why?  Because she's afraid, or because she saw that the audience was not completely behind her on this?  If she is emotionally fragile, she should get help with that.  She can choose, with help, to not let this destroy her.  But destroying young boys lives is revenge, which is not in the best interest of anyone.

 
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December 6, 2006, 11:31 pm PST

12/06 Teacher Troubles

Quote From: momakababe

and for felony charges

I agree with Dr. Phil when he said that there are other alternatives to making these boys pay for their mistakes. Instead, the teacher wants money from the kids parents and does not realize that the ones that are going to end up hurting are the parents , not the boys . I think that she is being greedy and just wants to get some money instead of really trying to make a point.  

 

 

 
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